Anybody use the CharlieX +8hp on a stock elise

[A7594217]

Well on his site he lists a tune for the stock elise which only changes the cam switch over point. Then He lists a tune which changes cam switch over but also says it adds 8hp.

So has anybody got the +8hp version. Im most likely getting it anyways because i want the lower cam switch over, but i really would like some input. I set up a base dyno session this friday so i can document any gains.

And yes i searched and i couldnt find any threads for non supercharged elises or exige s'

Thanks

[lotusforsale]

Originally Posted by A7594217

Well on his site he lists a tune for the stock elise which only changes the cam switch over point. Then He lists a tune which changes cam switch over but also says it adds 8hp.

So has anybody got the +8hp version. Im most likely getting it anyways because i want the lower cam switch over, but i really would like some input. I set up a base dyno session this friday so i can document any gains.

And yes i searched and i couldnt find any threads for non supercharged elises or exige s'

Thanks

Guessing you mean non S/C exige's, not non-supercharged exige s'. The latter does not exist.

[A7594217]

yeah, basically all i found threads for were exige s' and elises with katanas. Im looking for a review of the charliex tune on a NA elise.

[Bavarian Motorist]

Don't think many use it...But charlie makes good products.

[fitfan]

good thread - i have been on and off the fench about this

(yes- it is for n/a 05's) not sure if he makes similar dbw n/a tune.

what i do know - and there was a little of this on the "my tuning stuff" thread.

the tune is a specific tune they did for neil's spyder car. it has never been re-tuned since then. so whatever the did to neil's car that "day" is what this tune is, it gave a +8hp as a before and after on that car. (modified with... now i forget, but i wanna say exhaust, intake ,and possibly headers - i think? oh - maybe it was a de-cat?)

on top of that charlie has said he can add other operational extras on that (like spedo calibration, dual maps etc..) but the N/A tune still stays as the "niel's spyder car tune".

the last time i conversed with charlie about it, he was busy with the fi tunes, and had no plans to further develope that n/a tune.

so anyways... group buy?!

[fitfan]

also...

i have never seen any before and after dyno for the other 05 ecu/tunes

lotus sport or the PES.

it would be great if charlie had a few n/a tunes - for various configs - like stock, intake only, + headers/exhaust. etc.. something like that - but i suspect it is a supply and demand issue not enough time in the world.

to my knowledge no one has yet monkeyed around with bolt ons in conjunction with ecu tuning to optimize, and come back with any data...

...randy's car had bolt on's (no tuning) dyno'd, as i understand it they we going for mid range torq. with out tuning - they eventually settled on a configuration. but the resualts of all that work were never published, just said "some thing worked a little, lost a little, we settled on what worked the best for our goals" kind of a bit of lost knowledge it seems. but anyways - they we not tuning, just bolting parts and dyno'ing.

[A7594217]

I agree there isnt alot of demand for NA elise flashes But i just want a solid tune for a lower cam switch. Tuned for an intake,exhaust, and testpipe. I think 5-10 hp would be good just for the reflash.

Best choice before any of that stuff would be to slap on a katana but thats not gonna happen any time soon so i wanna at least get all i can from the tune.

[Bavarian Motorist]

Charlie won't tune for your other mods.


This may be blasphemy here, but why not give PES a call? They make a solid NA flash and will make variations for your specific set-up if needed. They'll also tune for higher octane fuel like 93, but I see you're in CA so that doesn't matter


From talking to Charlie, it seems like his NA flashes aren't tuned to the best of his potential and there is more power he can eek out, but he's just too busy for it

[SweetDaddyD]

Tried it out at Log. Butt dyno says yes.

8HP if I had it was 8HP. Lets be real folks, it's not a 75 hp Nitrous shot. It is what it is. With a passenger in the car though it felt great (usually don't have a passenger most of the time). There is a big difference from the cam coming on earlier. When waiting for that rpm point to hit lowering the switchover point saves a couple seconds and gets you in a more practical range. If already having the cam changeover lowered, why not go for the +8 tune at the same time?

[Chris Mackey]

Originally Posted by SweetDaddyD

...it's not a 75 hp Nitrous shot....

I came to say this. $600 on a 50 or 75 shot nitrous kit is going to be much better bang for the buck.

[SweetDaddyD]

Originally Posted by Chris Mackey

I came to say this. $600 on a 50 or 75 shot nitrous kit is going to be much better bang for the buck.

In which case if that is what you are looking for I have a NOS kit for sale with some very nice extra features (thermo controlled bottle warmer, pressure gauge, quick release billet bottle mount...)


I wasn't saying it wasn't a good value. I think it's a lot better value than paying thousands for a light weight part that saves 3 lbs. I was just saying if you already getting the tune for the lower cam changeover (which is awesome and well worth it) than why not put the +8 in at the same time. I think people just expect too much from it. Its a few extra hp and realistic to realize with a NA tune.

[A7594217]

[quote=
I wasn't saying it wasn't a good value. I think it's a lot better value than paying thousands for a light weight part that saves 3 lbs. I was just saying if you already getting the tune for the lower cam changeover (which is awesome and well worth it) than why not put the +8 in at the same time. I think people just expect too much from it. Its a few extra hp and realistic to realize with a NA tune.[/QUOTE]

This is how i feel too

[fitfan]

Originally Posted by Chris Mackey

I came to say this. $600 on a 50 or 75 shot nitrous kit is going to be much better bang for the buck.

nitrous is not for me. i don't care about going faster on the straights, and i need to be able to modulate the power (balance/traction) in a progressive and consistant manner.

[fitfan]

Originally Posted by SweetDaddyD

Its a few extra hp and realistic to realize with a NA tune.

i think thats exactly what the N/A guys want - just better drivability, a little lower cam switch, and a couple extra ponies to boot! -no one is expecting day and night. i don't want to go f/i - i just want to sort out and optimize the tune and i willbe totaly happy.

[Icedog_16]

I had it on my car. I liked it. I only wish I got to use it longer.

[fitfan]

Originally Posted by Bavarian Motorist

Charlie won't tune for your other mods.

yup - charlie also said 'he" does not do any tuning, he just opens the ecu so that it "can be" tuned. not sure how an "open" n/a tuneable solutions plays into the mix... that is - what he would charge to open the tune so that you could get it dyno and street optimized, and then.. i dunno? would he buy that tune back? not sure who in san deigo would do that type of tuning either since i am not really from around here! anyways--- all question to ask Charlie when he resurfaces on the "net". none of my contact info seems to contact him anymore - and you can't contact him through here

[charliex]

i don't sell many of the ecu2's, mainly because they're not pushed heavily (or at all) , probably a handful.

I did one a few weeks ago, response was ->

"My customer is very happy with the power produced by the reflash and the
low cam changeover works great."


the dyno sheets are on sectors site.

it has different fuel/spark and cam mapping to get that HP, but like SDD says, its just 8HP, the 'other' lowcam switch profiles only usually change switch point and actually drop a little HP, this drops it and gains a little instead, its more designed for track peeps that want to stay on high cam longer, or have lighter cars (1700lbs or less)


I would like to do more with the NA, but there just isn't a whole lot there, and i just don't have a car available to test with anymore, i do have 4 -2 Headers with an NA tune available thats good for a solid 15 HP, but i only have three and two are spoken for already, and the test pipes haven't arrived yet.

[Bavarian Motorist]

Charlie, just thought I'd mention now...

I think there IS buyer interest in one that produced the type of gains you were talking about here and back in March/April. Many folks don't wanna get blown to get a little more power!

That's my thought

[foosh]

Originally Posted by Bavarian Motorist

Charlie, just thought I'd mention now...

I think there IS buyer interest in one that produced the type of gains you were talking about here and back in March/April. Many folks don't wanna get blown to get a little more power!

That's my thought

Yep! I'm just not ready to throw multi $K into FI. I enjoy the car stock, but would like a little extra (especially the lower RPM cam change) without major surgery.

[fitfan]

Charlie i have FF street headers, do you have 2 different tunes? the "sector" tune, and a header tune? or is it the same and you saying you retail a header that works in conjunction with the sector tune?

how many people are interested in the N/A tune?