New BWR sway bar for Hardcore Auto-x and Track enthusiasts! - LotusTalk

fzust · 08-15-2008, 10:27 AM

In our continued pursuit of best performing products for the Lotus we've developed this new "hard-core" sway bar for the Elise & Exige. Specifically for Superstock AutoX users or anyone that cannot shave the hubface to gain additional negative camber this bar is for you.

The concept is simple: If you have limited negative camber, front traction falls off quickly as the car rolls side to side. Minimizing front roll actually helps front grip by keeping the front tires flatter while cornering. This aids transitional response and plants the rear tires for more power on exit. This strategy has been used to great effect by the nationally competitive autoxers with custom bars, now available to everyone.

The bar is thicker than stock and has hand-milled polyurethane bushings. These bushings were milled while in the actual sway bar mount so as to reduce friction points under real conditions. Also included are our adjustable endlinks. We only made a small run of these so first come-first served!

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Shawn C · 08-17-2008, 11:17 AM

Is the site down?

andrewgotanelise · 08-17-2008, 11:21 AM

sweet!

luxige · 08-17-2008, 11:46 AM

Get a discount on your upgrade!

If you're thinking of buying this extra-stiff bar, PM me about buying your current BWR bar.

MidasHands · 08-17-2008, 02:25 PM

Why can't I find it on the site? The link just takes you to the main home page. I did a search on sway bar and only the bushings came up?

I also looked under featured products?

Baysailor · 08-17-2008, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by MidasHands

Why can't I find it on the site? The link just takes you to the main home page. I did a search on sway bar and only the bushings came up?

I also looked under featured products?

Look under suspension parts. Here is a direct link. The third configuration option under type ("HardCore AutoX or Track (Add $25.00)").

fzust · 08-17-2008, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by MidasHands

Why can't I find it on the site? The link just takes you to the main home page. I did a search on sway bar and only the bushings came up?

I also looked under featured products?

I was probably editing it while you were looking.

MidasHands · 08-17-2008, 05:08 PM

Thanks Fred - I found it. Very nice!

fpitas · 09-03-2008, 07:57 AM

Fred,

Two questions: how much stiffer than stock is it, and is it still available?

knucklehead · 09-03-2008, 08:32 AM

Just a plug for BWR sway bars. I had done some suspension changes and installed a LSD in my car. With the stock sway bar I literally thought I had ruined the car. Push in corner entry then snap oversteer on exit. After installing the BWR sway bar the car is absolutely fantastic. Now everytime I autoX I look like this >

the whole time.

Now if only there were more club autocross events

Randy?

Randy Chase · 09-03-2008, 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by knucklehead

Just a plug for BWR sway bars. I had done some suspension changes and installed a LSD in my car. With the stock sway bar I literally thought I had ruined the car. Push in corner entry then snap oversteer on exit. After installing the BWR sway bar the car is absolutely fantastic. Now everytime I autoX I look like this >

the whole time.

Now if only there were more club autocross events

Randy?

Someone mention my name? It would be nice if more people volunteered time.

I just put on an Autocross event on Monday. I need to recuperate.

Back on topic, I have used both of the earlier styles swaybars and highly recommend them. Quality is great.

plastique999 · 09-05-2008, 06:07 PM

I'm interested!

rwarden · 09-05-2008, 07:02 PM

ahh, please help me understand this better? I've always understood that a stiffer front sway bar will increase understeer. I have one of the older BWR sway bars, and I've certainly found this to be the case - adjust it stiffer to increase understeer, less stiff to decrease understeer (increase oversteer). Going even stiffer with this new bar would just increase understeer even more, no? Am I missing something? I do agree the car still rolls too much (even with Ohlins), but I attribute that to not having stiff enough springs.

-RWarden

jhnmdahl · 09-05-2008, 07:03 PM

It looks like you have tthree different bars, which I'm guessing have different stiffness relative to the stock bar. Do you know the relative stiffness of the three bar options? The PDF says hole 2 is 60% stiffer, but this doesn't likely appear to apply to all three bars...

Also, the PDF and website say each sequential hole is a 2% difference, which seems impossible. Is it supposed to be something more like 10%?

John

fpitas · 09-08-2008, 04:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rwarden

ahh, please help me understand this better? I've always understood that a stiffer front sway bar will increase understeer. I have one of the older BWR sway bars, and I've certainly found this to be the case - adjust it stiffer to increase understeer, less stiff to decrease understeer (increase oversteer). Going even stiffer with this new bar would just increase understeer even more, no? Am I missing something? I do agree the car still rolls too much (even with Ohlins), but I attribute that to not having stiff enough springs.

-RWarden

It ain't necessarily so, as the old song says. I have installed truly monstrous front bars (on other cars) and had far less understeer. The reason is that less body roll means less wheel cambering on corners. Sometimes the effect of better wheel camber outweighs the effect of more weight transfer to the outer wheel.

plastique999 · 09-08-2008, 10:07 AM

I just picked one of these up...

FLuXeXigeS · 09-08-2008, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by plastique999

I just picked one of these up...

congrats, ive only heard great things about these parts, i will be ordering mine soon as well

plastique999 · 09-08-2008, 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FLuXeXigeS

congrats, ive only heard great things about these parts, i will be ordering mine soon as well

hahah....become a track junkie like me!!!!
I new the harnesses would get you going!

FLuXeXigeS · 09-08-2008, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by plastique999

hahah....become a track junkie like me!!!!
I new the harnesses would get you going!

...i always want to hit the track, its work thats killing me from doing it

Slipstreamer · 09-15-2008, 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fzust

In our continued pursuit of best performing products for the Lotus we've developed this new "hard-core" sway bar for the Elise & Exige. Specifically for Superstock AutoX users or anyone that cannot shave the hubface to gain additional negative camber this bar is for you.

The concept is simple: If you have limited negative camber, front traction falls off quickly as the car rolls side to side. Minimizing front roll actually helps front grip by keeping the front tires flatter while cornering. This aids transitional response and plants the rear tires for more power on exit. This strategy has been used to great effect by the nationally competitive autoxers with custom bars, now available to everyone.

The bar is thicker than stock and has hand-milled polyurethane bushings. These bushings were milled while in the actual sway bar mount so as to reduce friction points under real conditions. Also included are our adjustable endlinks. We only made a small run of these so first come-first served!

Blackwatch Racing - Lotus Elise and Exige Superchargers, Parts, and Accessories

When is the next batch due? Missed that run

08-15-2008, 10:27 AM	#1 (permalink)
fzust 2008 XP National Champion Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Tempe, AZ Posts: 1,164	New BWR sway bar for Hardcore Auto-x and Track enthusiasts! In our continued pursuit of best performing products for the Lotus we've developed this new "hard-core" sway bar for the Elise & Exige. Specifically for Superstock AutoX users or anyone that cannot shave the hubface to gain additional negative camber this bar is for you. The concept is simple: If you have limited negative camber, front traction falls off quickly as the car rolls side to side. Minimizing front roll actually helps front grip by keeping the front tires flatter while cornering. This aids transitional response and plants the rear tires for more power on exit. This strategy has been used to great effect by the nationally competitive autoxers with custom bars, now available to everyone. The bar is thicker than stock and has hand-milled polyurethane bushings. These bushings were milled while in the actual sway bar mount so as to reduce friction points under real conditions. Also included are our adjustable endlinks. We only made a small run of these so first come-first served! Blackwatch Racing - Lotus Elise and Exige Superchargers, Parts, and Accessories __________________ 2008 X Prepared Solo National Champion

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08-17-2008, 11:46 AM	#4 (permalink)
luxige luxige Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: MA Posts: 652	Get a discount on your upgrade! If you're thinking of buying this extra-stiff bar, PM me about buying your current BWR bar. __________________ The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it. - John Ruskin

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MidasHands Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Glen Ridge, NJ Posts: 847	Why can't I find it on the site? The link just takes you to the main home page. I did a search on sway bar and only the bushings came up? I also looked under featured products? __________________ - Mike 2006 KG Elise, Magnolia Interior

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MidasHands Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Glen Ridge, NJ Posts: 847	Thanks Fred - I found it. Very nice! __________________ - Mike 2006 KG Elise, Magnolia Interior

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fpitas User, Registered Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Leesburg, VA Posts: 1,357	Fred, Two questions: how much stiffer than stock is it, and is it still available? __________________ Francis 2006 Chrome Orange Elise: Base, Hardtop, LSD/TC, FF Engine Damper, Arqray Twin Muffler, Nitron SAs with 525/650 springs, Katana Supercharger, Smaay's fuel rail, Saikou Michi dual catch can, Eliseparts bumpsteer kit, BWR 7/8" Front Bar 2000 Black Integra Type R: Konis, Neuspeed Race Springs, Mugen 26mm Rear Bar, 16x8 SSR Integrals

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knucklehead Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Marina del Rey, CA Posts: 2,978	Just a plug for BWR sway bars. I had done some suspension changes and installed a LSD in my car. With the stock sway bar I literally thought I had ruined the car. Push in corner entry then snap oversteer on exit. After installing the BWR sway bar the car is absolutely fantastic. Now everytime I autoX I look like this > the whole time. Now if only there were more club autocross events Randy? __________________ Jacob Join Lotuscar.ning.com for LA Lotus social events 05 Exise, 2bular 6 inch exhaust. BWR double adjustable Penske shocks, Hypercoil springs, HIDs, BWR front sway bar, Light weight PC680 battery w/BWR brace, BWR Black badges and wheel centers, Custom SCC paint job, SCC OEM Exige mesh kit and Exige rear clam details, LSD, Lotus sport clutch and light weight fly wheel. Sector front splitter. Stebel horn. Multivex Mirrors. Volk CE28 wheels

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rwarden Less Is More Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Pittsburgh PA Posts: 269	ahh, please help me understand this better? I've always understood that a stiffer front sway bar will increase understeer. I have one of the older BWR sway bars, and I've certainly found this to be the case - adjust it stiffer to increase understeer, less stiff to decrease understeer (increase oversteer). Going even stiffer with this new bar would just increase understeer even more, no? Am I missing something? I do agree the car still rolls too much (even with Ohlins), but I attribute that to not having stiff enough springs. -RWarden __________________ 2005 Lotus Elise - ST, HT, Ohlin double adjustable coilovers, BWR ARB, Tri-point SC!, FF header, lightened flywheel 2001 Audi S4 1999 Porsche Boxster - ZucZ sport Exhaust, PSS9 Coilovers

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jhnmdahl Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 668	It looks like you have tthree different bars, which I'm guessing have different stiffness relative to the stock bar. Do you know the relative stiffness of the three bar options? The PDF says hole 2 is 60% stiffer, but this doesn't likely appear to apply to all three bars... Also, the PDF and website say each sequential hole is a 2% difference, which seems impossible. Is it supposed to be something more like 10%? John Last edited by jhnmdahl : 09-05-2008 at 09:11 PM.

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