Sector 111 bad guys? - LotusTalk

bruss · 03-07-2009, 11:18 AM

Just seen this over on Monkey, Sector 111 trying to shaft Frank? for 100 dollars a pop. Sector that hard up?

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xceed · 03-07-2009, 11:39 AM

Without knowing the details.. Shinno has no chance hiding behind "no contractual agreement", as the other party can just claim an oral agreement, which can be verified by the previous e-mails and actions taken by Sector111. To me it looks like a pretty good case for Frank.

Either way, I won't be shopping at Sector111 anytime soon ;p

Demonized · 03-07-2009, 11:42 AM

I personally think these kinds of matters should be kept private, till a court has decided.

Sector111 overall seem like a great corporation to me, timely delivery on anything I've ever
ordered from there, and seems pretty active in the community.

Edit; And from reading those posts, it would seem that Frank is obligated to continue to work with them on
newer versions of the kit (stage 2 and 3 as mentioned) in order for him to receive his checks.

I assume that he's not, at this point.

Bavarian Motorist · 03-07-2009, 11:55 AM

This wouldn't affect my relationship with Sector111. Everything is more complicated than it seems on the surface and Sector111 has always been honorable to me.

Whether or not they owe him money is for a court of law to decide.

Chris Mackey · 03-07-2009, 12:10 PM

I have been super impressed with S111. They took back a warped lidBone 6 months after I bought and gave me credit. Awesome service.

swede · 03-07-2009, 12:57 PM

Having read about Frank in numerous posts here and personally dealt with Sector111 a few times, my support goe to sector 111.

From my standpoint a top notch company to deal with in all ways.

I will deffinitelly do business with them in the future.

Gripp · 03-07-2009, 01:52 PM

chotto · 03-07-2009, 01:55 PM

I have no idea about this dispute, Sector has been great from what I have seen, but I found this funny, “'Sector111 is years away from putting out an intercooled kit, with no one to do the R$D for them.......' .Comments like these are not fair, nor true." The email was date October 5, 2007.

Lotusmotion · 03-07-2009, 01:57 PM

Business disputes are best handled and resolved personally (or legally if needed)

rather than by brute force or inviting mob participation

.

It is difficult to make an objective assessment without full details from all disputing parties. However, it is very easy to take a dispute public for the purpose of manipulating public opinion.

My experience is that S111 provides terrific products backed by excellent customer service and user friendly personnel including Shinoo. The claimed dispute does not change my favorable opinion about S111 or willingness to do business with them again.

MightyMike · 03-07-2009, 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swede

Having read about Frank in numerous posts here and personally dealt with Sector111 a few times, my support goe to sector 111.

From my standpoint a top notch company to deal with in all ways.

I will deffinitelly do business with them in the future.

+2

Great product line and customer service.

plastique999 · 03-07-2009, 03:08 PM

It's a shame that this matter has been publicized...no one knows the real story to pass fair judgment.

catapult · 03-07-2009, 03:31 PM

Very uncool for Frank to post that. I don't know him personally but from his post he's seems to be a provocative blowhard. I've been impressed with Sector 111.

fitfan · 03-07-2009, 03:34 PM

and this thread will get deleted in.....

Ryephile · 03-07-2009, 04:12 PM

Disputes like this happen all the time between small businesses. Most of the time everyone is hurt because very rarely either have the wisdom to write appropriate contracts and communicate clear intentions. Ronin going public with this won't create a solution, it just tells everyone that neither S111 or Ronin can handle their business behind the storefront.

jordantii · 03-07-2009, 04:15 PM

IBL....

pixlpush · 03-07-2009, 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lotusmotion

Business disputes are best handled and resolved personally (or legally if needed)

rather than by brute force or inviting mob participation

.

It is difficult to make an objective assessment without full details from all disputing parties. However, it is very easy to take a dispute public for the purpose of manipulating public opinion.

My experience is that S111 provides terrific products backed by excellent customer service and user friendly personnel including Shinoo. The claimed dispute does not change my favorable opinion about S111 or willingness to do business with them again.

Very well put. I've had nothing but great experiences dealing with sector111 and wouldn't hesitate for a moment to purchase anything from them.

REGGIEPLUS · 03-07-2009, 05:21 PM

Wow, so how many of you have or are planing to purchase the ronin/katana supercharger kit, Nitron Pro Shocks or the RTD brace ?

Just for your information ronin/Frank was responsible for those products coming to market....Sector 111 even gave him credit on their website ...

Sector 111 is great for tee shirts and high prices.....lid bones

Demonized · 03-07-2009, 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by REGGIEPLUS

Wow, so how many of you have or are planing to purchase the ronin/katana supercharger kit, Nitron Pro Shocks or the RTD brace ?

Just for your information ronin/Frank was responsible for those products coming to market....Sector 111 even gave him credit on their website ...

Sector 111 is great for tee shirts and high prices.....lid bones

I'm not sure what that has to do with this thread.

I'm planning on buying the Katana SC (unless I can convince my significant other that what I really need is a VF II) mostly because it was tested and tuned by Frank/CharlieX.

REGGIEPLUS · 03-07-2009, 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Demonized

I'm not sure what that has to do with this thread.

I'm planning on buying the Katana SC (unless I can convince my significant other that what I really need is a VF II) mostly because it was tested and tuned by Frank/CharlieX.

The point I was trying to make is that those products would have not been avaiable if not for ronin doing the R&D....he did the R&D for the ProAlloy chargecooler and radiator setup also that Sector 111 resells.....

There is nothing wrong with exposing ripoffs.

Sector 111 is a retailer nothing more

Noel · 03-07-2009, 08:02 PM

This is business damaging no matter how anyone looks at it. As much as there is public support, there is also silent change of hearts. I'll like to see Shinoo comment on this thread, since I'm quite certain Frank is banned from this forum (alongside just about every other Lotus bias forum).

03-07-2009, 11:18 AM	#1 (permalink)
bruss Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 10	Sector 111 bad guys? Just seen this over on Monkey, Sector 111 trying to shaft Frank? for 100 dollars a pop. Sector that hard up? moremonkey.com • View topic - Doing biz with Sector 111

03-07-2009, 11:39 AM	#2 (permalink)
xceed Idle @ 5700rpm Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 161	Without knowing the details.. Shinno has no chance hiding behind "no contractual agreement", as the other party can just claim an oral agreement, which can be verified by the previous e-mails and actions taken by Sector111. To me it looks like a pretty good case for Frank. Either way, I won't be shopping at Sector111 anytime soon ;p __________________ 2005 Saffron Yellow Fed. Lotus Elise [Touring, Sport, Premium and Blackout Pack, Stage 2 Exhaust, Hard/Soft Top] - [Currently @ 6500 Miles] [CF Centre Console, Zoom Eng. CF Rearview Mirror, iTG Cold Air Intake, 55w 8000k HIDs, Engine Dampers, reVerie CF Engine Covers, Raised Rear-Lotus Letters, A/C Bypass Switch]

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Demonized NOT ßANNED! Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,546	I personally think these kinds of matters should be kept private, till a court has decided. Sector111 overall seem like a great corporation to me, timely delivery on anything I've ever ordered from there, and seems pretty active in the community. Edit; And from reading those posts, it would seem that Frank is obligated to continue to work with them on newer versions of the kit (stage 2 and 3 as mentioned) in order for him to receive his checks. I assume that he's not, at this point. __________________ 2005 Saffron Yellow Elise, Katana Supercharger, LSS Wheels, 2Bular exhaust & cat, rear panel delete, Cup Airbox, Volt / Oil temp gauge, Ohlins double adjustable coilovers, Dual Oil Coolers, S111 RTD Brace, Moroso Oil Pan, MicroMirror, S111 "V-Force" Harness bar, Manly Engine Mounts, Odyssey PC680 & RLS Bracket, Saikou Michi OCC, CF Scoops, CF Bootlid, CF Front Lip. Last edited by Demonized : 03-07-2009 at 11:49 AM.

03-07-2009, 11:55 AM	#4 (permalink)
Bavarian Motorist Live to Drive Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: NYC/Westchester, NY Posts: 10,852	This wouldn't affect my relationship with Sector111. Everything is more complicated than it seems on the surface and Sector111 has always been honorable to me. Whether or not they owe him money is for a court of law to decide. __________________ Be an alpha male. Drive a Lotus.

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swede Stick a fork in it Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Gone byebye Posts: 826	Having read about Frank in numerous posts here and personally dealt with Sector111 a few times, my support goe to sector 111. From my standpoint a top notch company to deal with in all ways. I will deffinitelly do business with them in the future. __________________ R44

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chotto vv My Awesome Wife vv Join Date: May 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 917	I have no idea about this dispute, Sector has been great from what I have seen, but I found this funny, “'Sector111 is years away from putting out an intercooled kit, with no one to do the R$D for them.......' .Comments like these are not fair, nor true." The email was date October 5, 2007. __________________ 2005 SY-BWR Supercharger, Challenger Grill, AreaP single tip exhaust, Ohlin Double Adjustables, RTDbrace, Custom Kirkey 58 Series seats, Schroth 6 pt. harnesses, Multivex mirrors, Odyssey PC625 battery, Micromirror, HID's, V2arms, Sparco removeable steering wheel, 15"/16" Rota's with RA-1's, Pagid RS 4-2 pads, Cup airbox, Saikou Michi catch cans

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Lotusmotion Keep it simple and real Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Southern California Posts: 926	Business disputes are best handled and resolved personally (or legally if needed) rather than by brute force or inviting mob participation . It is difficult to make an objective assessment without full details from all disputing parties. However, it is very easy to take a dispute public for the purpose of manipulating public opinion. My experience is that S111 provides terrific products backed by excellent customer service and user friendly personnel including Shinoo. The claimed dispute does not change my favorable opinion about S111 or willingness to do business with them again. __________________ '06 Exige - Ph. Black/Touring/Track/LSD/TC/SS. Mods: corner balanced - RTD brace - Manly's inserts - decambered - Pagid Blacks - Motul fluid - tow hooks - Schroth belts - extinguisher - AIM timer - Green Filter - Larini - oil temp & pressure gauges - AO48s & Rotas on track - T1Rs & OEM wheels on street - rear camera & monitor - Stebel horn - speakers upgraded, sub & iPod controller - DRL disable switch - aux. fuse panel - sill pockets - leather console - Bootie - roof scoop functional.

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plastique999 Form and Function Join Date: May 2008 Location: Alta Loma, CA Posts: 3,046	It's a shame that this matter has been publicized...no one knows the real story to pass fair judgment. __________________ www.FaceNBody.com 2005 Lotus Elise: 2bular decat\GT3 exhaust,HID's,turn signal&rear fins delete, CFside scoops, CFbinnacle,CFcenter console,Zoom CF mirror,APR Aero kit,CF 5-elem. diffuser,Exige mesh,Ohlins DA,RTD brace,RAC 'lites,Toyo R888's,HawkHT10's,CO painted calipers,SS lines,Reverie XC CF seat,Reverie CF steering wheel,Schroth Profi II 6 pt harness,shifter re-Enforcer,Manly mounts, Accusump,Moroso pan,BWR key to BWR S/C! Spec Racer Ford #237

03-07-2009, 03:31 PM	#12 (permalink)
catapult Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Toronto Posts: 1,569	Very uncool for Frank to post that. I don't know him personally but from his post he's seems to be a provocative blowhard. I've been impressed with Sector 111.

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fitfan Regurgitated User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Diego! Posts: 4,097	and this thread will get deleted in..... __________________ Driving it around!

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Ryephile Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Metro Detroit Posts: 65 Images: 29	Disputes like this happen all the time between small businesses. Most of the time everyone is hurt because very rarely either have the wisdom to write appropriate contracts and communicate clear intentions. Ronin going public with this won't create a solution, it just tells everyone that neither S111 or Ronin can handle their business behind the storefront. __________________ \| \| "Wisdom is not a function of age, it is a function of experience."

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jordantii KMG365 Join Date: May 2006 Location: Tampa Bay Posts: 737	IBL.... __________________ Never Lift....

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REGGIEPLUS BANNED Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 30	Wow, so how many of you have or are planing to purchase the ronin/katana supercharger kit, Nitron Pro Shocks or the RTD brace ? Just for your information ronin/Frank was responsible for those products coming to market....Sector 111 even gave him credit on their website ... Sector 111 is great for tee shirts and high prices.....lid bones

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03-07-2009, 08:02 PM	#20 (permalink)
Noel Exige Cup 255 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: 33.87°S 151.21°E Car: ロータス MKII エキシージ Type: Komo-Tec S300 Posts: 329	This is business damaging no matter how anyone looks at it. As much as there is public support, there is also silent change of hearts. I'll like to see Shinoo comment on this thread, since I'm quite certain Frank is banned from this forum (alongside just about every other Lotus bias forum).