Dodge EV - LotusTalk

Cardinal · 09-23-2008, 04:53 AM

I was just watching the news, and they were talking to some bigwigs over at Dodge. Apparently they just unveiled a new either hybrid or electric prototype sportscar, labeled with "Dodge EV" on the side. My God, the thing is a total Europa S rip-off. I mean everything frm the side scoops, to the vents in the hood, to the headlights, to the HID set-up on each side of the front crash structure. Is Lotus teamed up with Dodge or something, in a similar way as they did with Tesla? I'm not sure how else to explain the similarities. I wish I could find a pic of it on google.

gt3guru · 09-23-2008, 05:26 AM

front page of jalopnik

Dodge Ev: Chrysler Unveils Dodge EV, A Tesla-Like All-Electric Sports Car

and yes, it does look like a rip off

gt3guru · 09-23-2008, 05:27 AM

I just noticed, even the seats are lotus probax

wallabyguy · 09-23-2008, 05:29 AM

It is a Lotus Europa. What's funny is once you put the stripes and Chrysler badges on it (getting ready for the flying veggies), it looks more like a Dodge than a Lotus.

texige · 09-23-2008, 05:56 AM

I would bet Lotus built it. It's PR BS for Dodge and they didn't even pay enough to change the body panels.

...m... · 09-23-2008, 06:00 AM

...well, if dodge is paying to recycle a lotus platform, same as tesla, good for lotus, i say - i seriously hope they eliminate all the ridiculous IC intakes and exhausts, though...

MickOpalak · 09-23-2008, 06:06 AM

I think its purdy.

ivan1 · 09-23-2008, 06:19 AM

So is this thing for real?

jlj3394 · 09-23-2008, 06:21 AM

More $$$ for Lotus increases the long-term viability of the brand.

While a small 2 door is nice, most Americans won't have it. The new VVA will allow them to license a product that can be turned into a more practical, and better selling vehicle.

Getting revenue from sources like this will allow them to push better and higher performance products in the future.

ivan1 · 09-23-2008, 06:22 AM

I guess it is...not sure if it is a good thing or not...If it is a Tesla-like car, serviceable at your local dodge dealer, that might be a good thing, although it is painful to see a Lotus with that rebadging

gt3guru · 09-23-2008, 07:05 AM

I'd buy a dodge EV and put lotus badges on it. Probably would cost alot less than a Tesla.

designer · 09-23-2008, 07:18 AM

So they decided to just plant the Dodge logo, electric engine on an existing frame. WOW genius!
1. The Chrysler brand is sinking
2. Looking for bail out money
3. Selling the Viper brand

Not surprised at all. I hope it's just a prototype one off.

And trust me folks this adds NO VALUE to the Lotus brand.

texige · 09-23-2008, 07:35 AM

Chrysler is asking Washington for a billions of dollars bailout so they can develop electric cars according to a CNBC report. They then show the Europa and act like they had developed it and needed money to bring it to production however they just bought it from Lotus. Smoke and mirrors.

evomind · 09-23-2008, 07:37 AM

i think it looks good.
im not sure why some folks get bent out of shape over this stuff.

JWA · 09-23-2008, 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by designer

So they decided to just plant the Dodge logo, electric engine on an existing frame. WOW genius!

So, how exactly is this different from the Tesla? They're the ones that should be pissed/scared.

AgentTripleX · 09-23-2008, 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ivan1

I guess it is...not sure if it is a good thing or not...If it is a Tesla-like car, serviceable at your local dodge dealer, that might be a good thing, although it is painful to see a Lotus with that rebadging

That would make sense why Lotus is not bringing the Europa into the US.

Abe · 09-23-2008, 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AgentTripleX

That would make sense why Lotus is not bringing the Europa into the US.

The current engine available on the Europa does not meet US standards and one of the main reasons why you won't see it here.

Just as the Tesla is built and designed by Lotus, so is the Europa, err..um Dodge EV.

Video- CNBC.com

milehitom · 09-23-2008, 09:11 AM

Now people will be asking us if our cars are the new Dodge EV. We can say "Yes, and 'EV' stands for 'Electric Viper.'"

Tom

kestrel74 · 09-23-2008, 09:19 AM

One more stupid question in the works: " Oh... Lotus....that's a Dodge; right ? "

ivan1 · 09-23-2008, 09:20 AM

Automotive News:

DETROIT -- Chrysler LLC and England's Lotus Cars Ltd. are in talks to produce an electric sports car based on the Lotus Elise.

Frank Klegon, Chrysler executive vice president of product development, told Automotive News this morning that the sports car -- called the Dodge EV -- would go from 0 to 60 mph in under five seconds.

"Lotus has a lot of experience with lightweight vehicles and aluminum structures," Klegon said on the sidelines of a Chrysler press event. "We have experience with propulsion systems."

It was not immediately clear what time frame Chrysler was pursuing for the vehicle.

Lotus already plays a major role in an electric car being built by California startup company Tesla Motors Inc. The $109,000 Tesla Roadster also is based on the Lotus Elise. Tesla has taken more than 600 orders for the car. Its first dealership opened on May 1 and 27 customers have taken delivery of the vehicle.

09-23-2008, 04:53 AM	#1 (permalink)
Cardinal Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metro North Boston Posts: 2,977 Images: 5	Dodge EV I was just watching the news, and they were talking to some bigwigs over at Dodge. Apparently they just unveiled a new either hybrid or electric prototype sportscar, labeled with "Dodge EV" on the side. My God, the thing is a total Europa S rip-off. I mean everything frm the side scoops, to the vents in the hood, to the headlights, to the HID set-up on each side of the front crash structure. Is Lotus teamed up with Dodge or something, in a similar way as they did with Tesla? I'm not sure how else to explain the similarities. I wish I could find a pic of it on google. __________________ '05 SY Elise TP, HT, LSS, Arqray singletip, #307

09-23-2008, 05:26 AM	#2 (permalink)
gt3guru Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Tx Posts: 330	front page of jalopnik Dodge Ev: Chrysler Unveils Dodge EV, A Tesla-Like All-Electric Sports Car and yes, it does look like a rip off __________________ 2005 Elise, Saffron Yellow, Touring, Sport, Black wheels, Hard top, dual oil coolers, focal front speakers 1998 BMW 318ti, 77k miles. M sport package, 5 speed. Dependable daily driver since 97 1996 Colnago Technos, Dura-Ace, Zipp, spinergy, Specialized, Mavic. And I ride it in the middle of your mountain roads. I hope your insurance is as good as my lawyer.

09-23-2008, 05:27 AM	#3 (permalink)
gt3guru Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Tx Posts: 330	I just noticed, even the seats are lotus probax __________________ 2005 Elise, Saffron Yellow, Touring, Sport, Black wheels, Hard top, dual oil coolers, focal front speakers 1998 BMW 318ti, 77k miles. M sport package, 5 speed. Dependable daily driver since 97 1996 Colnago Technos, Dura-Ace, Zipp, spinergy, Specialized, Mavic. And I ride it in the middle of your mountain roads. I hope your insurance is as good as my lawyer.

09-23-2008, 05:29 AM	#4 (permalink)
wallabyguy Club111. Got the groove? Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 5,281	It is a Lotus Europa. What's funny is once you put the stripes and Chrysler badges on it (getting ready for the flying veggies), it looks more like a Dodge than a Lotus. __________________ Robert (aka Sith Lord of LB) Former Lotus Sales now selling Mazdas for Faulkner Mazda in Philadelphia 74 Elite 502 05 Elise (Snuffalupagous..RIP : Laser Blue, Black Leather, Touring Pack, Hardtop ) The Wallaby Will Ride Again

09-23-2008, 06:00 AM	#6 (permalink)
...m... peregrinus caelum Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 740	...well, if dodge is paying to recycle a lotus platform, same as tesla, good for lotus, i say - i seriously hope they eliminate all the ridiculous IC intakes and exhausts, though... __________________ 2005 Federal Elise \| Touring \| Storm Titanium ...67,000 miles and aging beautifully...

09-23-2008, 05:56 AM	#5 (permalink)
texige Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: austin texas Posts: 667	I would bet Lotus built it. It's PR BS for Dodge and they didn't even pay enough to change the body panels.

09-23-2008, 06:06 AM	#7 (permalink)
MickOpalak LOG29 Co-chairman Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 4,555	I think its purdy. __________________ 2007 Exige S265 - Krypton Green - Gotham 265 ECU - Volk TE37s - Toyo R888s - B&M Shifter - QuickSilver exhaust - stripes - harnesses - Pagid pads - Green air filter LOG29 - http://www.log29.org President - Lotus Limited Southeast http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/LLSE/ Last edited by MickOpalak : 09-23-2008 at 07:58 AM.

09-23-2008, 06:19 AM	#8 (permalink)
ivan1 b3NNAd Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Bedford, NY Posts: 5,417	So is this thing for real? __________________ 2008 Elise SC Ardent Red - Touring, Sport, Starshield Previous car - 2005 Elise Saffron Yellow (totaled in flood- the original underwater elise)

09-23-2008, 06:21 AM	#9 (permalink)
jlj3394 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 723	More $$$ for Lotus increases the long-term viability of the brand. While a small 2 door is nice, most Americans won't have it. The new VVA will allow them to license a product that can be turned into a more practical, and better selling vehicle. Getting revenue from sources like this will allow them to push better and higher performance products in the future. __________________ 05 GG Elise: Exige clam, LSS, Stage 2, ACT HD, DBA5000, CF scoops/splitter/mirrors/panels Others: Lexus ES300 Coach, Volvo V70R 300hp/250k Missed: 01 Wrangler Sport, 04 Wrangler Sport, 71 CJ5 (225V6) Need a personal injury attorney in Kansas City? http://www.kcatty.com Need a Johnson County DUI lawyer? http://www.JohnsonCountyDUI.com Need a Johnson County speeding/traffic ticket attorney? http://www.JoCoTraffic.com

09-23-2008, 06:22 AM	#10 (permalink)
ivan1 b3NNAd Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Bedford, NY Posts: 5,417	I guess it is...not sure if it is a good thing or not...If it is a Tesla-like car, serviceable at your local dodge dealer, that might be a good thing, although it is painful to see a Lotus with that rebadging Attached Images __________________ 2008 Elise SC Ardent Red - Touring, Sport, Starshield Previous car - 2005 Elise Saffron Yellow (totaled in flood- the original underwater elise)

09-23-2008, 07:05 AM	#11 (permalink)
gt3guru Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Tx Posts: 330	I'd buy a dodge EV and put lotus badges on it. Probably would cost alot less than a Tesla. __________________ 2005 Elise, Saffron Yellow, Touring, Sport, Black wheels, Hard top, dual oil coolers, focal front speakers 1998 BMW 318ti, 77k miles. M sport package, 5 speed. Dependable daily driver since 97 1996 Colnago Technos, Dura-Ace, Zipp, spinergy, Specialized, Mavic. And I ride it in the middle of your mountain roads. I hope your insurance is as good as my lawyer.

09-23-2008, 07:18 AM	#12 (permalink)
designer luv my gut Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Connecticut Posts: 321	Are you kidding! So they decided to just plant the Dodge logo, electric engine on an existing frame. WOW genius! 1. The Chrysler brand is sinking 2. Looking for bail out money 3. Selling the Viper brand Not surprised at all. I hope it's just a prototype one off. And trust me folks this adds NO VALUE to the Lotus brand. __________________ PRESENT: 2005 Saffron Yellow, touring, hard top, stage 2 exhaust, yellow console, reverie diffuser, gut spoiler and splitter. 2008 Mini Cooper S. PAST: 98 Panoz Roadster, '00 C5 Corvette, '98 Viper GTS Coupe, '88 911 Turbo, BMW M3, '95 911 Coupe. Last edited by designer : 09-23-2008 at 07:26 AM.

09-23-2008, 07:35 AM	#13 (permalink)
texige Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: austin texas Posts: 667	Chrysler is asking Washington for a billions of dollars bailout so they can develop electric cars according to a CNBC report. They then show the Europa and act like they had developed it and needed money to bring it to production however they just bought it from Lotus. Smoke and mirrors.

09-23-2008, 07:37 AM	#14 (permalink)
evomind J. Caesar Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: chicagoland Posts: 4,469	i think it looks good. im not sure why some folks get bent out of shape over this stuff. __________________ Vati. C6 ZO6. THE OBITS, YO! KEEP CRYIN! WHAA! REDNECK = PERSON WHO LIVES IN A DUMP BUT DRIVES AN ELISE! I never played by the rules, and I never really cared My nasty reputation takes me everywhere It is admitted by all that he was much addicted to women, as well as very expensive in his intrigues with them, and that he debauched many ladies of the highest quality; among whom were Posthumia, the wife of Servius Sulpicius; and Lollia, the wife of Aulus Gabinius.

09-23-2008, 09:11 AM	#18 (permalink)
milehitom Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 2,602	Now people will be asking us if our cars are the new Dodge EV. We can say "Yes, and 'EV' stands for 'Electric Viper.'" Tom

09-23-2008, 09:19 AM	#19 (permalink)
kestrel74 G-200 Driver Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: North of Detroit; Watkins Glen, NY Posts: 7,190	One more stupid question in the works: " Oh... Lotus....that's a Dodge; right ? " __________________ 74 Europa Zetec TC Special 3614R Elise #2292 / Chrome Orange !! / Starshield / Sachs suspension / RTDbrace / Uprights machined / Down Low rails / ... "My daily driver does .85 Mach" " I started flying when Sex was safe and Hang Gliding was dangerous " BUY My Europa ! http://www.lotustalk.com/forums/f94/...pa-sale-43829/

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09-23-2008, 09:20 AM	#20 (permalink)
ivan1 b3NNAd Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Bedford, NY Posts: 5,417	Automotive News: DETROIT -- Chrysler LLC and England's Lotus Cars Ltd. are in talks to produce an electric sports car based on the Lotus Elise. Frank Klegon, Chrysler executive vice president of product development, told Automotive News this morning that the sports car -- called the Dodge EV -- would go from 0 to 60 mph in under five seconds. "Lotus has a lot of experience with lightweight vehicles and aluminum structures," Klegon said on the sidelines of a Chrysler press event. "We have experience with propulsion systems." It was not immediately clear what time frame Chrysler was pursuing for the vehicle. Lotus already plays a major role in an electric car being built by California startup company Tesla Motors Inc. The $109,000 Tesla Roadster also is based on the Lotus Elise. Tesla has taken more than 600 orders for the car. Its first dealership opened on May 1 and 27 customers have taken delivery of the vehicle. __________________ 2008 Elise SC Ardent Red - Touring, Sport, Starshield Previous car - 2005 Elise Saffron Yellow (totaled in flood- the original underwater elise)