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Tesla Model S

Anyone have any further info on this car?
Is it able to seat 5?
Release date is supposed to be mid 2012....anyone put down a deposit?

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Yes, yes, yes, and yes. Though at this point in the reservation line you might be looking at a 2013 delivery.

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I wonder what the real price will be. A Volt is almost $60k out the door around here.
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How does it compare to Fiskar?

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well, firstly it seats 5 adults and two children so a total of seven. secondly, it looks like an Aston, has a ten inch touch screen that controls all the cars functions, it will have a range(with the larger battery back) of 500km and it goes from 0-60 in roughly 5 seconds, all while costing little more than the volt
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well, firstly it seats 5 adults and two children so a total of seven. secondly, it looks like an Aston, has a ten inch touch screen that controls all the cars functions, it will have a range(with the larger battery back) of 500km and it goes from 0-60 in roughly 5 seconds, all while costing little more than the volt
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Beautiful Car. I looked into these a year ago and my research is a little rusty so correct me if I'm wrong but I believe I read that the batteries had to be replaced every couple of years for around $18,000.

Not to get off topic but here is another electric car worthy of owning if it weren't so expensive.

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Hmmm

I can drive either of my cars to Ohio easily in less than one day.

In an electric car, that'd be 3-4 days.

I'll pass.

or, I'd buy a hybrid.

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Hmmm

I can drive either of my cars to Ohio easily in less than one day.

In an electric car, that'd be 3-4 days.

I'll pass.

or, I'd buy a hybrid.
One can easily make a similar argument against your gas or hybrid car. Eg. you can fly to Ohio in less than 2 hours. You can email Ohio in less than a minute. You can pick up the phone and call Ohio in less than 10 seconds!
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One can easily make a similar argument against your gas or hybrid car. Eg. you can fly to Ohio in less than 2 hours. You can email Ohio in less than a minute. You can pick up the phone and call Ohio in less than 10 seconds!
Or do like me and wake up in Ohio every morning.
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Hmmm

I can drive either of my cars to Ohio easily in less than one day.

In an electric car, that'd be 3-4 days.

I'll pass.

or, I'd buy a hybrid.
The problem is that you'd then be in Ohio, which would totally suck!

Just jabbing the Ohioans!

As for the S - beautiful car, but seems to be wrought with delays and the usual issues with e-cars (range, price, etc).
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One can easily make a similar argument against your gas or hybrid car. Eg. you can fly to Ohio in less than 2 hours. You can email Ohio in less than a minute. You can pick up the phone and call Ohio in less than 10 seconds!
That is just a bit absurd to my mind. Surely, you know that there are times where one might want or need to drive across a few states.

In those cases, electric cars turn a one day trip into 3.

But, i agree: better to fax or call Ohio than visit.

Altho, they do have a nice cavern i visited after Indy LOG.

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That is just a bit absurd to my mind. Surely, you know that there are times where one might want or need to drive across a few states.

In those cases, electric cars turn a one day trip into 3.

But, i agree: better to fax or call Ohio than visit.

Altho, they do have a nice cavern i visited after Indy LOG.
only if the electric car does not have on board power generation.... no all electric cars are (will be) plug in only.

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That is just a bit absurd to my mind. Surely, you know that there are times where one might want or need to drive across a few states.

In those cases, electric cars turn a one day trip into 3.

But, i agree: better to fax or call Ohio than visit.

Altho, they do have a nice cavern i visited after Indy LOG.
I don't think it's absurd at all.

Yes there might be people that need to drive across multiple states on a regular basis, but the number must be very small. The only time I would do it is if I was taking a vacation, in which case I may as well rent a car for that purpose.
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well, firstly it seats 5 adults and two children so a total of seven. secondly, it looks like an Aston, has a ten inch touch screen that controls all the cars functions, it will have a range(with the larger battery back) of 500km and it goes from 0-60 in roughly 5 seconds, all while costing little more than the volt
Those kids are wedged under the rear glass or in each wheel well or something. I hope I'm wrong, but Tesla doesn't have a clue how to manufacture a quality car at a low price. The first Tesla was more like you or I walking into Lotus with a battery pack and a dream. Were it not for the Elise, GM's early dream the the Elise could be a platform, and Lotus' vast experience as engineering for hire, Tesla would still be waving their hands. I'm afraid the same must be said about Fisker. Are there more than a handful of people in history who were able to start up from scratch with a commodity product like a car. Bespoke and poor value for the money has been done many times, but ask yourself how you employ all those people, finance all that tooling, lease/buy the factory space, sell at a good value, and make enough profit to make investors and yourself satisfied that it wasn't a mistake leaving that 6 figure job you left in the established industry. I'm not a hater, but I'm seeing more spin than sweat out of Tesla, Fisker, and Aptera. It's too bad, because as Lotus proved with the Elise and all their cars before it, a car can be more than the sum of its parts bin parts.

Maybe these three would have spent their money more wisely buying or partnering with a cottage industry shop like TVR, Morgan, Marcos and slowly growing it into a bigger business with real profits and a base of owners instead of VC and hype.

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Those kids are wedged under the rear glass or in each wheel well or something. I hope I'm wrong, but Tesla doesn't have a clue how to manufacture a quality car at a low price. The first Tesla was more like you or I walking into Lotus with a battery pack and a dream. Were it not for the Elise, GM's early dream the the Elise could be a platform, and Lotus' vast experience as engineering for hire, Tesla would still be waving their hands. I'm afraid the same must be said about Fisker. Are there more than a handful of people in history who were able to start up from scratch with a commodity product like a car. Bespoke and poor value for the money has been done many times, but ask yourself how you employ all those people, finance all that tooling, lease/buy the factory space, sell at a good value, and make enough profit to make investors and yourself satisfied that it wasn't a mistake leaving that 6 figure job you left in the established industry. I'm not a hater, but I'm seeing more spin than sweat out of Tesla, Fisker, and Aptera. It's too bad, because as Lotus proved with the Elise and all their cars before it, a car can be more than the sum of its parts bin parts.

Maybe these three would have spent their money more wisely buying or partnering with a cottage industry shop like TVR, Morgan, Marcos and slowly growing it into a bigger business with real profits and a base of owners instead of VC and hype.

fisker and tesla have completely different business models...

tesla does plan to build their cars from scratch, in their own factory. (old ford plant in detroit)

fisker is not building anything other than IP and managing the design and engineering. it will be built by Valmet. Fisker owns no production or factory.

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only if the electric car does not have on board power generation.... no all electric cars are (will be) plug in only.
Do you mean such as a hybrid, which would be my choice ahead of all electric?

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I don't think it's absurd at all.

Yes there might be people that need to drive across multiple states on a regular basis, but the number must be very small. The only time I would do it is if I was taking a vacation, in which case I may as well rent a car for that purpose.
Do you stay only at home on weekends?

Seriously, picture this typical scenario:

My girl and I are visiting the next state over (NYS in my case). We've gone about 1/2 of capacity.

She says, "Oh, there's a great museum/shop/restaurant, that I'd love to visit while we're in the area. It's only an hour away."

Me "Sure, let's go!"

You: "Oh, wait, I need to rent a car...."


Now, if batteries become interchangeable, with maybe 1-3 sizes, and could be swapped out in 10 or so minutes, that makes all electric more feasible for a large part of the population.

That, tho, is not on the near horizon.


As commuter cars only, electrics have got to come down in price, which they will, to make financial sense. Those are very limited-use vehicles.

If your electricity is generated by coal, you're not helping with pollution as much as you (might) think. There are now charts showing the affects of this.

I would advise anyone interested in high mileage, low pollution, to get a Prius. We now know how well they hold up over 10 yrs and 100k miles, i.e. as good as new.


Please note, i'm not trying to convince you - or anyone - to agree with me.

Early adopters are great....for the rest of us. More power to you. oh, sorry...

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FFS, anyone can come up with an argument against anything.

ANYTHING.

I can bitch about not being able to drive to Hawaii. What? I have to buy a ticket on an AIRPLANE? This car is WORTHLESS.

The fact is: a 150 mile per day range is more than enough for the vast majority of people and their travel habits. It simply makes no sense to reject something because it's ONLY 90% perfect.

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Beautiful Car. I looked into these a year ago and my research is a little rusty so correct me if I'm wrong but I believe I read that the batteries had to be replaced every couple of years for around $18,000.
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