1200 hp Lotus - LotusTalk

FVRacer · 08-04-2008, 12:20 PM

My wife picked up the latest Dupont Registry while at the grocery. There is an add from the Henessy company (you know the one that builds up Vipers). They show a sketch of some Exige with a widebody kit. If I recall they claim they will build up your Elise/Exige to 1200hp and it will have a weight of 2600lbs.. Anyone have any idea how they are doing that? With the weight gain I'm guessing an engine swap. I asked my wife if we could do that to our 2005 Elise,,, I got the type of "No" that pretty much means no discussion required, there is no way it will ever happen.

Tracktimeplz · 08-04-2008, 12:25 PM

Lol, that doesnt make ANY sense! I cant even begin to imagine what that process could entail.

Could you take a picture and post it so I could read the ad?

Tracktimeplz · 08-04-2008, 12:41 PM

Hell thinking about it, Id only add about 250lbs to drop a Chevy LS1 corvette motor + t56 6speed with the corvette rear end.

That other 350 would have to be some serious structural changes to hold the new motor I guess.

Man could you imagine 350hp with 375TQ at the wheels in an elise!

BrianK · 08-04-2008, 12:41 PM

been posted before. Here's the link to Hennessey's website:

Hennessey Performance Engineering - Item Detail Page

just search for "Hennessey" on this forum - there are several results including this one: HENNESSEY VENOM GT....A LOTUS THIS TIME?

Tracktimeplz · 08-04-2008, 12:47 PM

^sounds like a bad idea....thats just too much power! Ive seen one of their TT vipers at the track spin out a half dozen times before giving up.

Now drop the rear tire size, make the platform skinnier and lose 1000lbs....

WTF?

FVRacer · 08-04-2008, 01:58 PM

It does sound undrivable. I wonder if it is still just a build they have in "theory". If I recall the photo was more of a sketch than a real car. I wonder if such a car actually exists yet. Sounds like a good way to get yourself killed. Heck lets just pull out a jet motor out of some old MIG and have a go. Would probably kill me only a fraction of a second sooner than 1200hp piston motor.

Genomaxter · 08-04-2008, 02:11 PM

Frankly speaking from what ive heard of John Henessy, I wouldnt trust he knows the limits of vehicle dynamics much less trust him with my money to build one without causing problems along the way. That "theory" car he has in mind could never seriously be driven, it just cant put down that much power. It has far too much torque and an insane amount of hp without much in the area of more downforce. He's trying to turn the Exige into a muscle car like no other. People who think a better car means more cylinders, more horsepower, and more torque needs to just stop building cars. There is a lot more to a car than the engine.

RoadDad · 08-04-2008, 03:27 PM

...m... · 08-04-2008, 05:00 PM

...i've been having fun experimenting with different elise builds on forza, a reasonably accurate simulator - on a lark i tried modifying the engine up to 400 horsepower last week and found it absolutely undriveable, completely throwing off the dynamics...

...i'll be the first to admit that i make no claims of being an expert driver, and it may well be that my skillset just isn't up to managing that much power on such a light car, but from my experiences so far, once i begin creeping over 300 horsepower it noticably starts to upset the balanced handling that i fell in love with...

Rei · 08-04-2008, 09:43 PM

Someone will buy one and shortly after buying it they will rotate the car into a wall first time they hit the gas pedal. Only in texas will you find people with that much money and little brains to duke it out on the freeways. "sorry to generalize didn't like my stint there with the drivers in the area I ran into."

Gizmo3000 · 08-04-2008, 10:11 PM

Definitely sounds insane, but 1000hp in a lightweight car is not unheard of.
check out the Barabus TKR

Keating Supercars Reveals TKR and SKR First Details

Shawn C · 08-05-2008, 11:30 AM

I like what they did on the taillights of that hennessy car.

Joecooool · 08-05-2008, 12:38 PM

I wouldn't believe anything he says. Google that jackass and see what comes up.

Hell, there is even a term "Hennescrewed" that has been popularized on many a automotive forum.

xtn · 08-05-2008, 01:39 PM

I think I posted this in the dumbest comments thread:

Had a guy at a gas station come up to me and tell me that if I would only fork over $10K to Hennessey, he would set me up with a thousand HP.

charliex · 08-05-2008, 01:42 PM

well you'd end up with two cars, well one car in two halves.

Andrikos · 08-05-2008, 01:53 PM

Unless the mods come with Formula 1 downforce mods, anything over 350rWHP is stupid nutz crazy excess...

chotto · 08-05-2008, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xtn

I think I posted this in the dumbest comments thread:

Had a guy at a gas station come up to me and tell me that if I would only fork over $10K to Hennessey, he would set me up with a thousand HP.

So that's how you were turning those 1:33's at H2R! I knew it!

SweetDaddyD · 08-07-2008, 02:58 PM

The Forced Fed car had so much power a pro driver was having a hard time keeping it on the track at some mag. event. What would you do with 3 times that power?

Dmbrown34 · 08-07-2008, 03:50 PM

Looks good to me!

Minnis · 09-17-2008, 08:37 AM

Easy solution. GM has a 1200hp Ecotec, yes using the stock Cobalt block. You can get all the parts through GM performance catalog. I saw one of these motors next to the Lotus display at the 2005 12hrs of Sebring. I'll try to did up the pics, very beautiful setup. Watch out Veyron GT. Hell if they put them in production Cobalt unibdies all day, we could mount one somehow?

here's and example:

NOPI Hot Rod Chevy Cobalt Information
Production coupe uni-body with carbon-fiber doors and one-piece nose
Integrated SFI roll-cage
Front-wheel-drive
Transverse-mounted ECOtec race engine
1200hp @ 9200rpm
2.16L Inline 4 cylinder
Turbo-charged (Borg-Warner) and intercooled
3 injectors per cylinder with FAST XFI Engine Management System
Methanol fuel
Race-modified Hydra-matic 4T65 transmission
Mobil 1 Synthetic Oil

2007 best elapsed time: 7.787 seconds (Englishtown/NHRA)
2007 best speed: 183.72 mph (Virginia/NHRA)

08-04-2008, 12:20 PM	#1 (permalink)
FVRacer Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 82	1200 hp Lotus My wife picked up the latest Dupont Registry while at the grocery. There is an add from the Henessy company (you know the one that builds up Vipers). They show a sketch of some Exige with a widebody kit. If I recall they claim they will build up your Elise/Exige to 1200hp and it will have a weight of 2600lbs.. Anyone have any idea how they are doing that? With the weight gain I'm guessing an engine swap. I asked my wife if we could do that to our 2005 Elise,,, I got the type of "No" that pretty much means no discussion required, there is no way it will ever happen.

08-04-2008, 12:25 PM	#2 (permalink)
Tracktimeplz Race lines on the mind Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Northwest Florida Posts: 1,085	Lol, that doesnt make ANY sense! I cant even begin to imagine what that process could entail. Could you take a picture and post it so I could read the ad? __________________ 2003 Honda S2000 - Suzuka Blue 2005 Magnetic Blue Elise Forcefed 275 turbo - Sold 05/20/09

08-04-2008, 12:41 PM	#3 (permalink)
Tracktimeplz Race lines on the mind Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Northwest Florida Posts: 1,085	Hell thinking about it, Id only add about 250lbs to drop a Chevy LS1 corvette motor + t56 6speed with the corvette rear end. That other 350 would have to be some serious structural changes to hold the new motor I guess. Man could you imagine 350hp with 375TQ at the wheels in an elise! __________________ 2003 Honda S2000 - Suzuka Blue 2005 Magnetic Blue Elise Forcefed 275 turbo - Sold 05/20/09

08-04-2008, 12:41 PM	#4 (permalink)
BrianK very dude Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Los Angeles (Highland Park) Posts: 2,427	been posted before. Here's the link to Hennessey's website: Hennessey Performance Engineering - Item Detail Page just search for "Hennessey" on this forum - there are several results including this one: HENNESSEY VENOM GT....A LOTUS THIS TIME? __________________ Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

08-04-2008, 12:47 PM	#5 (permalink)
Tracktimeplz Race lines on the mind Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Northwest Florida Posts: 1,085	^sounds like a bad idea....thats just too much power! Ive seen one of their TT vipers at the track spin out a half dozen times before giving up. Now drop the rear tire size, make the platform skinnier and lose 1000lbs.... WTF? __________________ 2003 Honda S2000 - Suzuka Blue 2005 Magnetic Blue Elise Forcefed 275 turbo - Sold 05/20/09

08-04-2008, 01:58 PM	#6 (permalink)
FVRacer Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 82	It does sound undrivable. I wonder if it is still just a build they have in "theory". If I recall the photo was more of a sketch than a real car. I wonder if such a car actually exists yet. Sounds like a good way to get yourself killed. Heck lets just pull out a jet motor out of some old MIG and have a go. Would probably kill me only a fraction of a second sooner than 1200hp piston motor.

08-04-2008, 02:11 PM	#7 (permalink)
Genomaxter Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 102	Frankly speaking from what ive heard of John Henessy, I wouldnt trust he knows the limits of vehicle dynamics much less trust him with my money to build one without causing problems along the way. That "theory" car he has in mind could never seriously be driven, it just cant put down that much power. It has far too much torque and an insane amount of hp without much in the area of more downforce. He's trying to turn the Exige into a muscle car like no other. People who think a better car means more cylinders, more horsepower, and more torque needs to just stop building cars. There is a lot more to a car than the engine.

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...m... Denuo Volatilis Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,716	...i've been having fun experimenting with different elise builds on forza, a reasonably accurate simulator - on a lark i tried modifying the engine up to 400 horsepower last week and found it absolutely undriveable, completely throwing off the dynamics... ...i'll be the first to admit that i make no claims of being an expert driver, and it may well be that my skillset just isn't up to managing that much power on such a light car, but from my experiences so far, once i begin creeping over 300 horsepower it noticably starts to upset the balanced handling that i fell in love with...

08-04-2008, 09:43 PM	#10 (permalink)
Rei Lotus/TRD Geek Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Redmond WA Posts: 623	Someone will buy one and shortly after buying it they will rotate the car into a wall first time they hit the gas pedal. Only in texas will you find people with that much money and little brains to duke it out on the freeways. "sorry to generalize didn't like my stint there with the drivers in the area I ran into." __________________ Kids in the Back seat causes Accidents Accidents in the Back Seat causes Kids Moral Stick with a Two Seater

08-04-2008, 10:11 PM	#11 (permalink)
Gizmo3000 Register Abuser Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Sherman Oaks Posts: 972	Definitely sounds insane, but 1000hp in a lightweight car is not unheard of. check out the Barabus TKR Keating Supercars Reveals TKR and SKR First Details __________________ 2005 Starlight Black Elise, -hardtop/touring/black interior/sector111 carpet buttons! 2008 Infiniti G37-S 1991 300ZX 2+2 1974 MGB Roadster

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Shawn C Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 1,531	I like what they did on the taillights of that hennessy car. __________________ http://www.youtube.com/jerusdc

08-05-2008, 12:38 PM	#13 (permalink)
Joecooool Juvenile Delinquent Join Date: May 2004 Location: Jacksonville Florida Posts: 754	I wouldn't believe anything he says. Google that jackass and see what comes up. Hell, there is even a term "Hennescrewed" that has been popularized on many a automotive forum. Last edited by Joecooool : 08-05-2008 at 12:45 PM.

08-05-2008, 01:39 PM	#14 (permalink)
xtn McLareghini Bugatterrari Join Date: May 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 6,845	I think I posted this in the dumbest comments thread: Had a guy at a gas station come up to me and tell me that if I would only fork over $10K to Hennessey, he would set me up with a thousand HP. __________________ 2006 McLareghini Bugatterrari, Storm Titanium... <mods> installed: air horn, Scroth 4-point ASM harnesses, Sector111 halon extinguisher and mounting bracket, Von Hep exhaust and rear panel delete, Pagid brake pads, red Volks CE28n wheels, Toyo RA-1 tires, Nitron SA coilovers, Sector111 (WorksBell) quick-disconnect steering wheel kit. awaiting installation: Scroth "pull-up" lap belts, Sector111 RTD Brace, Tony's heater bypass mod, and dropped steering rack mounting plates. </mods>

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charliex OSX Black hat Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Las Vegas , NV Posts: 9,935	well you'd end up with two cars, well one car in two halves. __________________ Black Exige S - http://goth.am 265 Mule / Elan M100.ECU Tuning, http://www.elisetalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39660 West Coast Lotus Meet - Las Vegas - November 6-9 2009 http://www.westcoastlotus.com/

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08-05-2008, 01:53 PM	#16 (permalink)
Andrikos Lulu ROX! Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: RanchoSahuarita.com , AZ Posts: 3,724	Unless the mods come with Formula 1 downforce mods, anything over 350rWHP is stupid nutz crazy excess... __________________ My daily driver is an orange plastic toaster

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SweetDaddyD BANNED Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: ATL, GA Posts: 7,644 Images: 2	The Forced Fed car had so much power a pro driver was having a hard time keeping it on the track at some mag. event. What would you do with 3 times that power?

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Dmbrown34 Grrrrrr Baby Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 1,617	Looks good to me! __________________ 2005 Lotus Elise LSS 2003 Corvette 50th Anniversary Convertible

09-17-2008, 08:37 AM	#20 (permalink)
Minnis '010 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Vegas/Phila. Posts: 771 Images: 1	Easy solution. GM has a 1200hp Ecotec, yes using the stock Cobalt block. You can get all the parts through GM performance catalog. I saw one of these motors next to the Lotus display at the 2005 12hrs of Sebring. I'll try to did up the pics, very beautiful setup. Watch out Veyron GT. Hell if they put them in production Cobalt unibdies all day, we could mount one somehow? here's and example: NOPI Hot Rod Chevy Cobalt Information Production coupe uni-body with carbon-fiber doors and one-piece nose Integrated SFI roll-cage Front-wheel-drive Transverse-mounted ECOtec race engine 1200hp @ 9200rpm 2.16L Inline 4 cylinder Turbo-charged (Borg-Warner) and intercooled 3 injectors per cylinder with FAST XFI Engine Management System Methanol fuel Race-modified Hydra-matic 4T65 transmission Mobil 1 Synthetic Oil 2007 best elapsed time: 7.787 seconds (Englishtown/NHRA) 2007 best speed: 183.72 mph (Virginia/NHRA)