Fascist Georgia DMVS outlaws kit cars and custom motorcycles!

[Thalen]

Originally Posted by xtn

They probably spend more researching ways to make up the revenue than the revenue is actually worth. Is there any politician alive that understands the phrase, "less spending?"

xtn

Of course there isn't because it is the job of government to grow.

[andykeck]

Originally Posted by Thalen

Probably haven't updated yet. I saw the list of the traffic law changes for '08back in November from a guy at work who's wife works for the DOT.

No offense, but I'm very skeptical. I heard that number as a rumor last summer, but as of this week, there's nothing to that effect in the Washington Administrative Code, the Washington State Patrol's site, nor the Washington DOT's site. They all still say $124.

[Thalen]

None taken. I can't remember everything that was changed but that one and the ability to ticket you for being on a cellphone without hands-free were the two that jumped out at me. Now, I'm in favor of the latter but a HOV lane fine of $1000 is ludicrous and in no way justifiable. Maybe cooler heads prevaled and that idea was scraped before the end of the year which is why you are still seeing the smaller amount everywhere you look. All I know is I'm not going to risk it no matter what the situation until I know for sure.

[andykeck]

Originally Posted by Thalen

None taken. I can't remember everything that was changed but that one and the ability to ticket you for being on a cellphone without hands-free were the two that jumped out at me. Now, I'm in favor of the latter but a HOV lane fine of $1000 is ludicrous and in no way justifiable. Maybe cooler heads prevaled and that idea was scraped before the end of the year which is why you are still seeing the smaller amount everywhere you look. All I know is I'm not going to risk it no matter what the situation until I know for sure.

I've got a call in to the WSDOT, I'll keep you posted.

[andykeck]

Their response:

Andy,

Thank you for contacting the Washington State Department of Transportation. I can tell you that the fines listed for HOV lane violations are false. The fine did go up this year in Washington State, but only to $124. There is no increase after repeated offenses.

I'm afraid that my area of expertise ends there and I cannot address the other fines in the attached list. I am sending you a link to a list of fines for other infractions: http://www.courts.wa.gov/content/Pub...20Schedule.doc. I found this link off of a page on the Washington State Patrol website at http://www.wsp.wa.gov/newsfaqs/faqs.htm#violate. The State Patrol is the agency responsible for enforcement on the freeways. As for county and city streets and roadways, you would have to check with the individual municipality.

Thank you for writing, and if you have any further questions concerning the HOV system, please contact me again. For more general questions you can email NWPublicAffairs@wsdot.wa.gov

Leslie Forbis
HOV Operations Engineer
WSDOT - Northwest Region
PO Box 330310
Seattle, WA 98133-9710
Ph: (206) 440-4456
e-mail: forbisl@wsdot.wa.gov

[bwaits]

Originally Posted by athens550

The Georgia Department of Revenue/DMVS has enacted a policy banning the issuance of titles on all new and used kit cars (including Super Sevens!)

Brad,

Does this include kit cars that are based on fiero or bug chassis? I always thought they were tagged by the original vin number as the original brand and model.

-billy

[Nikki]

The U.S. Constitution is the only wall hanging in my office at the college that keeps falling down despite being secured by the same fasteners as all the other hangings. Maybe its prophetic. Based on the B.S. above and all the other follies perpetrated by our "elected representatives," I decided its appropo to just leave it on the floor leaning against the wall.

[James A]

Brad, wait until your two year new car emission testing exemption runs out on your 7, it will not pass an OBD test so,,, in Georgia you must get a exemption to have the car tested via a 2 speed idle test.
It took me almost a year to get an exemption, and the case went to the head of emission testing for the state. He did grant me the exemption but what a pain.
The state of Georgia is, oh never mind I'm in the process of moving to Texas.
Jim

[TheRedMenace]

Originally Posted by athens550

HB 950 passed the full House yesterday, 159 for, 0 against . It must now go to the Senate for consideration and passage. Thanks to everyone who has supported this legislation. If you can, please contact your Georgia Senator and urge them to support this bill as it moves through the Senate.

Makes you wonder whatever happened to 'representatives' representing the people who elected them.

[inetd]

The question to ask is "who benefits most?"

• Eighty-three percent of all U.S. auto assembly plants are within 13 highway hours of Georgia.
• Kia Motors to Build $1.2 Billion Assembly Plant in Georgia
• Ford Motor Company Assembly Plant (Atlanta, Georgia)
• General Motors-Doraville Assembly Plant
• Ga. eyes Toyota plant

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Follow the money...
This has nothing to do with party and everything to do with power.

[BusaLoco]

Bloody Georgian Fascists!

[athens550]

Sorry for the late update. Gov. Perdue signed the legislation in April. It took the Department of Revenue a couple of months (!) to draft an emergency rule to execute the law, which they finished in late June. At that time, DOR also published final rules for discussion on their web site. These rules were substantially identical to the emergency rules. After 30 days, the permanent rules would take effect. I submitted my paperwork AGAIN (4th time) immediately after the emergency rules were published. All of a sudden, everyone at DMVS was helpful and prompt. An inspector came to my place of business, inspected my car and signed off on it. a week later, I got my tax bill, payment for which I sent directly to DMVS Salvage Section. A week after that, I had my new Georgia Motor Vehicle Title. All of these cars are now known as 'assembled' vehicles, and the titles are branded accordingly.
Here is the form one uses to start the process:
http://motor.etax.dor.ga.gov/forms/p...Form_MV100.pdf
This is a different form than was available to me-I had to use the T-22R Inspection of a Rebuilt Vehicle form, with 'Rebuilt' scratched out and 'Assembled' written in. When the inspector came by, I asked him to write 'Assembled' on his report, which he did.
Here is the law:
http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2.../pdf/sb437.pdf
Btw, an 'Unconventional Vehicle' is a moped, golf cart, ATV, etc.
I cannot find the rules on the DOR web site, and they are not yet included in the vehicle title manual online, but here's the process:
Submit the inspection request form to the DMVS Salvage Section at this address:
Attn: Salvage Section
DOR/Motor Vehicle Division
PO Box 740384
Atlanta, GA 30374-0384
You can either include all of your paperwork (title/MSO, invoices for parts and assembly, etc.) or not, but I would send it so DMVS can review it and ask for any other info they need. If you give the paperwork to the inspector, DMVS can't review it until he/she returns it to them. The inspection costs $100. This is in addition to all normal title fees. Once your car is inspected and all paperwork is approved, you will receive a Georgia title branded 'assembled'.
Some tips:
Split your bills for the kit, drivetrain, assembly, and other stuff into as many separate bills as you (or the dealer you buy it from) can. If you have one bill of sale for the entire car, you will get taxed for the entire car (I got taxed for the drivetrain only!).
Emmissions compliance is only required for cars titled in emmissions counties, mostly metro Atlanta. If you're not in an emmissions county, don't sweat it.
Don't try to do this through your local DMVS office. Deal directly with Salvage Section. Call them in Atlanta at the DMVS phone number, wait forever, then talk to a live human. The local office may or may not have someone who knows about assembled cars-bad counsel is worse than no counsel. You can ask your local office for a direct number to Salvage Section (no guarantee they'll give it to you), or you can get Salvage Section, ask for the name of the person with whom you deal, then call back later and ask for them personally to ask a follow up question. If you're lucky, they'll be tied up and you can leave your cell phone number. When they call back, voila!, you have a direct line on your call log.
Thanks to our state legislators, who restored our right to drive unique cars!

[James A]

This is great news Brad! And you are not in an "emission" county so you don't have to deal with that issue!
How is the autocrossing going?