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EliseAtLeast · 08-31-2009, 12:03 PM

FIA is investigating Nelson Piquet's crash last year at Singapore which helped Alonso win the race.

This is not what F1 needs now

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F1SA - Motorsport: News channel - F1 : Renault and Nelson Piquet do not comment on Formula 1 crash cheat claims

Yeti · 08-31-2009, 12:25 PM

That can't happen. There are no team orders if F1.

I think I even said that with a straight face.

EliseAtLeast · 09-01-2009, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Yeti

That can't happen. There are no team orders if F1.

Its one thing ordering a driver to slow down just enough to be passed by the other teammate but crashing on purpose

? Whats next? Ordering a driver to take out another competitor? Not that it has never happened before I'm sure.

Randy Chase · 09-01-2009, 11:11 AM

Intentional crashing happens. We have video proof of it in V8Supercars.

Randy Chase · 09-01-2009, 11:12 AM

How would the orders be relayed to Nelson though, in the middle of the race?

ms355 · 09-01-2009, 01:40 PM

So, being as thankful as they can for his cooperation, Renault fired Piquet less than one year later? This is not most likely.

mikester · 09-01-2009, 01:40 PM

It's all very weird.

The timing, coming after Piquet's sacking, sort of makes me think the story came from him or at least his "people" (why else would this have taken so long to come to the attention of the FIA?)...but surely Nelson must know that he would be at least as badly damaged from this story as Flavio and Renault ? I would think it would finish him in racing (he could have come to the US and done alright in Indycar or NASCAR, even if he was not a star in F1)

I wouldn't be surprised if there ends up being not much to this story, but still where did it come from ?

ms355 · 09-01-2009, 01:48 PM

This is the scene:

YouTube - F1 Singapore Piquet crash - GP Cingapura Batida Nelsinho Piquet

EliseAtLeast · 09-01-2009, 03:48 PM

Yeah, I'm sure Piquet let it slipped out without thinking what that would do to his career. I think his career is basically over now.

Feffman · 09-02-2009, 04:28 AM

Seems to me Max Mosley is out to get Flavio Briatore before Max leaves (thankfully) F1. They keep this BS up and Renault will leave.

Feff

fishguy · 09-02-2009, 10:06 AM

what was gained from renault by his crashing?

EliseAtLeast · 09-10-2009, 01:36 PM

Nelson Piquet Junior visted FIA HQ and gave this statment.

F1SA - Motorsport: News channel - F1 : Full copy of Nelson Piquet Jr. statement to the FIA on 30 July 2009

mikester · 09-10-2009, 01:58 PM

Holy smoke !

It sounds like more than something he just made up, and if it happened as he says, there are several witnesses who would be able to corroborate his version of these events. Either way, it seems pretty clear he's out to destroy Flavio's reputation, at the least, if not the Renault team in general. I still wonder about his motivation for bringing it out now....

fishguy · 09-10-2009, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by mikester

I still wonder about his motivation for bringing it out now....

didnt he just get fired mid season.

Randy Chase · 09-10-2009, 03:08 PM

Crap. Timing sucks for me. I will be at Renault in UK in 5 days. Bet they are not happy.

jasper · 09-10-2009, 03:37 PM

I wonder if Pete Rose knew about this.

mikester · 09-10-2009, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by fishguy

didnt he just get fired mid season.

Yes he did, but this is still not a very smart career move. Maybe he's just felt super-guilty about it (assuming it's true, for the sake of argument) and wants to do the right thing, but it doesn't say much for the character of anyone involved.

EliseAtLeast · 09-10-2009, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by mikester

Maybe he's just felt super-guilty about it (assuming it's true, for the sake of argument) and wants to do the right thing, but it doesn't say much for the character of anyone involved.

I highly doubt that is the case. Its obvious that he wants to get back at Renault for firing him. I'm sure they promised him a seat in 2009 in exchange for "taking one for the team". Now that they broke their promise, he comes out talking. Now Piquet's career is basically over. His father should have know better.

BRTHTAKR · 09-10-2009, 06:06 PM

It's hard to believe that his father either was not consulted or ever approved such. If Piquet did this he has no place in motorsport in any level above Saturday night dirt tracks in front of drunk rednecks (like me and most of my relatives).

Unless we now discover that it's all fixed anyway.

eurosport · 09-10-2009, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by EliseAtLeast

Nelson Piquet Junior visted FIA HQ and gave this statment.

F1SA - Motorsport: News channel - F1 : Full copy of Nelson Piquet Jr. statement to the FIA on 30 July 2009

08-31-2009, 12:03 PM	#1 (permalink)
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Randy Chase Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: San Diego and where ever the roads lead Posts: 28,175 Images: 761	How would the orders be relayed to Nelson though, in the middle of the race? __________________ * V E R I T A S * A E Q U I T A S * No Longer the ADMIN here, please do not PM me asking for help. Thanks! http://www.facebook.com/randychase 1991 Toyota MR2. AutoX Beast 2006 Noble M400. Track weapon. 2009 Rossion Q1. Monaco Orange. Canyon Carver. In build: 2009 Toniq R (300whp? 1100 pounds?). Chrome Orange. Lexus GX-470 tow vehicle. On Order: Lotus Evora Next: McLaren MP4-12C

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mikester Registered Shmoozer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: So Cal Posts: 4,597	It's all very weird. The timing, coming after Piquet's sacking, sort of makes me think the story came from him or at least his "people" (why else would this have taken so long to come to the attention of the FIA?)...but surely Nelson must know that he would be at least as badly damaged from this story as Flavio and Renault ? I would think it would finish him in racing (he could have come to the US and done alright in Indycar or NASCAR, even if he was not a star in F1) I wouldn't be surprised if there ends up being not much to this story, but still where did it come from ? __________________ Covered in Brandy and Lard Last edited by mikester : 09-01-2009 at 04:31 PM.

08-31-2009, 12:25 PM	#2 (permalink)
Yeti Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Harrisburg, PA Posts: 1,038	That can't happen. There are no team orders if F1. I think I even said that with a straight face.

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EliseAtLeast Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Basking Ridge, NJ Posts: 1,221	Yeah, I'm sure Piquet let it slipped out without thinking what that would do to his career. I think his career is basically over now. __________________ '08 Honda S2000 CR (Rio Yellow Pearl) '07 Lotus Exige S (Aspen White) Touring, Traction, Starshield '04 BMW 330 ci (White)

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Feffman Grand Poobah Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: St. Louis, Mo. Posts: 865	Seems to me Max Mosley is out to get Flavio Briatore before Max leaves (thankfully) F1. They keep this BS up and Renault will leave. Feff __________________ MVP Track Time

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EliseAtLeast Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Basking Ridge, NJ Posts: 1,221	Statement of Nelson Piquet Junior to FIA (Shocking) Nelson Piquet Junior visted FIA HQ and gave this statment. F1SA - Motorsport: News channel - F1 : Full copy of Nelson Piquet Jr. statement to the FIA on 30 July 2009 __________________ '08 Honda S2000 CR (Rio Yellow Pearl) '07 Lotus Exige S (Aspen White) Touring, Traction, Starshield '04 BMW 330 ci (White) Last edited by EliseAtLeast : 09-10-2009 at 01:50 PM.

09-10-2009, 01:58 PM	#13 (permalink)
mikester Registered Shmoozer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: So Cal Posts: 4,597	Holy smoke ! It sounds like more than something he just made up, and if it happened as he says, there are several witnesses who would be able to corroborate his version of these events. Either way, it seems pretty clear he's out to destroy Flavio's reputation, at the least, if not the Renault team in general. I still wonder about his motivation for bringing it out now.... __________________ Covered in Brandy and Lard

09-10-2009, 03:08 PM	#15 (permalink)
Randy Chase Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: San Diego and where ever the roads lead Posts: 28,175 Images: 761	Crap. Timing sucks for me. I will be at Renault in UK in 5 days. Bet they are not happy. __________________ * V E R I T A S * A E Q U I T A S * No Longer the ADMIN here, please do not PM me asking for help. Thanks! http://www.facebook.com/randychase 1991 Toyota MR2. AutoX Beast 2006 Noble M400. Track weapon. 2009 Rossion Q1. Monaco Orange. Canyon Carver. In build: 2009 Toniq R (300whp? 1100 pounds?). Chrome Orange. Lexus GX-470 tow vehicle. On Order: Lotus Evora Next: McLaren MP4-12C

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BRTHTAKR AKA XHILR8N! Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Asheville, North Carolina Posts: 1,151 Images: 6	It's hard to believe that his father either was not consulted or ever approved such. If Piquet did this he has no place in motorsport in any level above Saturday night dirt tracks in front of drunk rednecks (like me and most of my relatives). Unless we now discover that it's all fixed anyway. __________________ Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. Leonardo Da Vinci 2005 Elise LRG, Trim Shop interior, full cage, Cup wheels, other stuff. 2007 Toyota Tundra (about 10 cup holders) 2004 BMW X3 (4 small cup holders) 1980 Rover SD1

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