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Ferrari to boycott 2010 (CNN)
Ferrari to boycott 2010 F1 world champs - CNN.com
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This doesn't mean anything yet... It's probably just a negotiation technique, though I'm sure Ferrari will stand by it if needed. F1 has more to lose.
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Sour grapes.
they wouldn't throw this out if they didn't just outright suck this year now if it does happen how about Massa in a Brawn car, I'd say Kimi but he seems too interested in having some cocktails to bother with any more racing |
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Not sure if it is a case of bunch babies who cannot compete, hence I quit or what F1 has been all about the past 10 years: The haves and the have nots.
Anyway, it has become a boring circus off the track and barely amusing on the track. F1 is a perfect example of extreme wealth and ego mixed with absolut disregard for the sport or the fans. Both sides in their ivory tower. I say: Good riddance to all of them and let me watch the local races and SCCA or other smaller venues. |
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I don't see it as sour grapes as Toyota and Red Bull have already hinted the same. This is VERY bad for F1 racing and I hope they can resolve their differences because I'm sure this will have a profound impact in the sport.
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Sorry, couldn't disagree more. If anything they have made sure it's not boring off the track. Unfortunately all the penalties make these decisions very irritating. Another topic entirely.
I cannot see how anyone could say the last couple years have not been great competition on the track. The last two championships have been extremely close. Aided by some penalties but, great racing in my opinion. I wouldn't mind seeing some stability come in with race stewardship and overall running of Formula 1. Perhaps it's time for the break away as was close to happening not so many years back. However, I do think the FIA will listen and compromise as they cannot lose all of these major teams and expect to have the audience with all new teams. Quote:
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If they all pull out...Maybe some guy named Colin could build a competitive car that meets the budget caps in a barn attached to his father's bar??? I dislike Ferrari but what would the sport be without a good villain? And if they chase out Maclaren: and Toyota, Renault, and Red Bull give up, we could have an entire season like the infamous USGP, with fans treated to a contest between Force India and Brawn GP. SpeedTV can then devote entire programs to Bernie the Troll and Max expounding on their latest plans to improve Formula One (and their income streams.)
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I'd guess this end one of two ways: Bernie acquiesces to Ferrari's (and other manufacturer's) demands or he doesn't and Ferrari pulls out. One thing's for sure, Ferrari won't back down.
These days, they are plenty of other extremely popular European (and even North American) racing series where factory Ferrari teams can participate and win and promote their products. Hey, if it sends a factory team back to LeMans series, many fans would be very happy. I'm sure Ferrari's lousy performance so far this season has increased their bitterness at Bernie's whims masquerading as rule changes, but they'd be making these threats even if they were on top. A 40 million pound budget isn't a cap they're interested in operating under. I wonder how this might affect Ferrari's participation in GP2... Tom |
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I agree. I'm sure there will be massive repercussions from this, not at all sure how it will end up but I really hope that the end result is not a split a la CART and IRL.
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Competitive?
I call competitive when all teams have a shot at a title. Not just 3. Would you call any sport competitive when only 2-3 teams are always contending for the tiltle?
Extemely close between whom? Ferrari and McLaren mostly. That is not competitive. This year the big boys are crying because they cannot compete suddenly. Guess what happens, they want to pull out. I might also just be tired of F1, hence my rant. Quote:
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Sorry to see them go and for no real good reason. What exactly was their contention? Rules change all the time in racing and have done so since day 1 of Formula One -- this isn't new.
The Official Formula 1 Website But like I've said before -- if the budget caps bring in 4 new teams (2 of which will be American) then I'm all for it. Sure sounds to me more like Ferrari can't win so they're pulling out. Really bad move, but I guess they seem to be driven by emotion and ego rather than the reality of the economy and good of racing. Wonder how this will affect their street car sales? It cost Toyota 8 BILLION dollars just to get two cars on the front row (and they still didn't win) -- given that Toyota have reported loses higher than GM, does this really make sense? There is a point where the spending of money becomes careless, not fruitful, and just a plain stupid wasteful. F1 has reached that point (long ago). Technical innovation doesn't stop because budgets are capped to only $70m (which doesn't include driver salaries) -- look at BrawnGP -- their budget is a fraction of what Ferrari and McLaren and Toyota spend and they're leading the championship by a good margin. F1 isn't and shouldn't be about how much money you can spend to win. Very suspect that Ferrari announced this post Spain GP realizing they still don't have a reliable set of cars and they still can't get on the podium and the team management still leaves MUCH to be desired. Yes it does smell much more like Italian ego/pride rather than common sense. Rob.
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If it were just Ferrari, I'd say F them. If the rest feel that way too, then F1 should change the rule.
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![]() Finally someone is telling the FIA to shove it where the sun don't shine! Enough of the BS. I hope they start their own series without budget caps, arbitrary rule changes, idiotic steward decisions after the race, and most importantly, without Moseley and Ecclestone YEAH!!! The spectators and audiences will follow Ferrari, whatever series they decide to enter. |
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Agreed. Formula 1 is first a constructors championship. A great part of the sport is all the innovation. This year for example, the lap times are comparable or quicker then last year and the development is just getting started. I really don't think there is crying because the major players are struggling. This has happened before and there will be some changes THIS season as development takes place. At the moment Brawn is on top of the world and that is great for them and interesting for the sport as the others play catch up. Now it's up to them to keep the advantage and to see if they can develop their chassis on the same pace as the others. I believe the FIA has caused some damage. Some of the stuff they pull is so ridiculous I wonder if it's on purpose to keep the drama and the fans intrigued. Like it or not there is alway's news and that keeps people plugged in. I must admit I have pulled against Ferrari the last few years but, as an enthusiast and F1 fan I really like Ferrari. So many are pulling for them and they won so often in the Schumacher years it was fun to see someone take the race to them. I am excited to see them work through this struggle. Same with McLaren, Renault and Williams. They have all had their years of dominance. If F1 ever became a spec series it would lose my interest and I suspect others dramatically. Watch most any other series and you will find this. How cool is it to see how some teams interpret rules and come up with different solutions within the same rules and others that don't seem to use what has been determined as the "unfair" advantage (Red Bull) and still be competative. They probably have the overall best chassis at the moment.
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Ferrari is the only manufacturer that has officially announed they will leave F1 come 2010 with the current rules. Rules are rules, everyone has to play by them. It's unfortunate Ferrari can't get over this and they've still not provided any real meaningful reason why they can't work within these rules.
Ferrari have pretty much had the FIA in their back pocket for a long time -- most obvious last year while helping Massa catch up with Hamilton. It's going to be a new ERA of Formula One, and I for one welcome the change because it was starting to get very old musty. I hope the FIA stand their ground for the sake of the sport. Ferrari do NOT have the largest fan base and I'm sure Bernie and Max reviewed the fan following carefully. When Schumacher, Brawn, and JT left, the fan base declined. Still a lot of Ferrari fans, but it ain't the sea of red like is used to be. As stated, the $70M does NOT include driver salaries (so I'm not sure how you can relate to NFL player caps to this, apples to oranges comparison). Rob
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Yes, the constructor aspect is critical, and the innovation is fantastic. But the lap times this year are not due to innovation per se, it's due to going back to slick tires. |
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Red Bull ownership has said both of their teams would be pulled as has Toyota. Maybe just not an official press release like Ferrari but, they have made these statements. I would say it's just the same.
For sure the slick tires help but, it's still pretty amazing what they have done otherwise. Quote:
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