If a breakaway Formula series forms, which will you watch? - LotusTalk

Serebo1 · 06-19-2009, 06:36 PM

I'm going to try and remain as unbiased here as possible, which means I'll say no more, other than that I'm furious right now. Probably too much said.

JAYKAY · 06-19-2009, 06:50 PM

Just like CART/IRL, I intend to punish both and watch neither. There is enough blame in this situation to go around. Nobody should be let off the hook. After sitting though the 6 car USGP, I pretty much lost interest anyway.

Jim

...m... · 06-19-2009, 07:12 PM

...i intend to check out both and get a feel for which does or doesn't speak to me before deciding not to watch either one...

dwkoski · 06-19-2009, 07:27 PM

I agree with the post about losing interest after the USnonGP. I have continued to follow F1 only as a soap opera of ego, greed and mismanagement. When looked at from that perspective, it remains amusing, if not particullarly enthralling. I'll probably check out races in both series, just to see which group is making the biggest fools of themselves. It would be good to see the Lotus logo on track one more time, even if in a lame format. One thing is certain. No more time or money wasted attending "races."...Dave

BRTHTAKR · 06-19-2009, 07:27 PM

Yes, it's which one will we keep watching?
But talk about fun, this is going to look like a vindictive divorce. Don't let the kids see it, could be obscene.

dwkoski · 06-19-2009, 07:34 PM

One of the only entertaining aspects of F1 coverage is the announcing. Matchett, Hobbs, and Varsha really are an incredible team. I'm sure SpeedChannel has a contract with Bernie the Gnome and won't be able to televise the new series. The major networks have shied away from open wheel racing coverage as ratings are traditionally poor. I wouldn't pay ten cents to watch the breakaway series on pay-per-view. They'll probably end up with loseres like Derek Daley as their color announcers (remember his stellar performances on the CBS broadcast F1 races?). It'll be really interesting to see how the new series arranges coverage...Dave

apk919 · 06-19-2009, 07:50 PM

I'll watch FOTA for the racing, and FIA F1 for the amusement value.

JAYKAY · 06-19-2009, 07:53 PM

Even though I think the split is lame and the players involved are all egomaniacs, I actually think FOTA is in a far better position than the FIA

Aside from having all the cars that anybody cares about (ex Williams), thanks to Bernie's greed they now have a huge list of world class venues to chose from for races. Montreal, Silverstone, Paul Richard, Indianapolis, and Hockenhiem are all free today and the current F1 doesn't have a long-term lock on Monaco, Spa, or Monza. That is a huge advantage in terms of drawing interest. Throw in Imola along with a few others, and you have a solid calendar.

Jim

apk919 · 06-19-2009, 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JAYKAY

Even though I think the split is lame and the players involved are all egomaniacs, I actually think FOTA is in a far better position than the FIA

Aside from having all the cars that anybody cares about (ex Williams), thanks to Bernie's greed they now have a huge list of world class venues to chose from for races. Montreal, Silverstone, Paul Richard, Indianapolis, and Hockenhiem are all free today and the current F1 doesn't have a long-term lock on Monaco, Spa, or Monza. That is a huge advantage in terms of drawing interest. Throw in Imola along with a few others, and you have a solid calendar.

Jim

+1 Not to mention any number of great US venues...

Spudboy · 06-19-2009, 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dwkoski

One of the only entertaining aspects of F1 coverage is the announcing. Matchett, Hobbs, and Varsha really are an incredible team. I'm sure SpeedChannel has a contract with Bernie the Gnome and won't be able to televise the new series. The major networks have shied away from open wheel racing coverage as ratings are traditionally poor. I wouldn't pay ten cents to watch the breakaway series on pay-per-view. They'll probably end up with loseres like Derek Daley as their color announcers (remember his stellar performances on the CBS broadcast F1 races?). It'll be really interesting to see how the new series arranges coverage...Dave

The contract for coverage tended to be year to year. Remember how it came down to the last minute before Speed knew if the could cover the races a few years ago?

Green Hornet · 06-19-2009, 08:58 PM

The FOTA gang are sure to bring racing back to North America.

I look forward to having Canada back as well as 1 or 2 races in the US.

If FOTA doesn't screw it up they have a teriffic opportunity.

That is assuming they have time to work it all out and make all the court appearances forced by Max and Bernie.

F1 will now be held with laughable cars and unknown drivers on tracks located in places nobody wants to go.

Sounds like Max has been spending too much time getting his ass kicked by the Nazi Hookers. He’s beginning to act like one.

Illumiloti · 06-19-2009, 11:24 PM

The fact is, a split program, as has been proven conclusively in the US (Champ/ IRL) DOES NOT SERVE THE SPORT. everyone on this forum should vow, and spread the word (make it go viral), to boycott (refuse to watch) ANY version of Formula 1, thereby forcing these egomaniacs to sit down and work out their petty BS issues. No viewership = no $/ exposure.

LouieLaguna · 06-20-2009, 12:03 AM

I will watch the US teams for sure....especially because it seems that there will be US races...as in Las Vegas.

Danica Patrick is one of the US drivers..(from what I read). So, US teams, female driver...us tracks. I am sure the new series will have no issues finding fans.

I think we all knew that the MS years were something truly special...

Spudboy · 06-20-2009, 12:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Illumiloti

The fact is, a split program, as has been proven conclusively in the US (Champ/ IRL) DOES NOT SERVE THE SPORT. everyone on this forum should vow, and spread the word (make it go viral), to boycott (refuse to watch) ANY version of Formula 1, thereby forcing these egomaniacs to sit down and work out their petty BS issues. No viewership = no $/ exposure.

Ain't never gonna happen.

kaiynne · 06-20-2009, 01:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Illumiloti

The fact is, a split program, as has been proven conclusively in the US (Champ/ IRL) DOES NOT SERVE THE SPORT. everyone on this forum should vow, and spread the word (make it go viral), to boycott (refuse to watch) ANY version of Formula 1, thereby forcing these egomaniacs to sit down and work out their petty BS issues. No viewership = no $/ exposure.

How about we don't do that... The fact is the FIA lost touch with reality a long time ago, a revolution was needed and we finally have it so lets support FOTA and move on and let the FIA die the quick death it deserves.

See you in Montreal next year!

Green Hornet · 06-20-2009, 04:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Illumiloti

The fact is, a split program, as has been proven conclusively in the US (Champ/ IRL) DOES NOT SERVE THE SPORT. everyone on this forum should vow, and spread the word (make it go viral), to boycott (refuse to watch) ANY version of Formula 1, thereby forcing these egomaniacs to sit down and work out their petty BS issues. No viewership = no $/ exposure.

NFW

Imagine you are a racing team owner spending Millions and Millions of dollars to develop the sport. Now - imagine Max telling you to fire 75% of your staff, work with a budget which favors upstart teams, and more and more. WHAT would you do.

I did stop watching CART / IRL after the split. I was angry with Tony Geroge and still am. I will NEVER go to Indy.

This is a very different thing for many resons.

Sorry for the rant

ms355 · 06-20-2009, 08:01 AM

Wherever Sebastian Vettel is going to race: I will watch that series.

But, seriously: Alan's question is nearly impossible to answer and I am not speaking about technical matters like which TV channel will broadcast what series. Both Ecclestone and Mosley are almost history, although both have proved amazing staying power. Ecclestone at the age of 78 after serious medical problems and Mosley after the public had become aware of his crude sexual preferences.

We do not know yet for sure whether there will be 2 series as of 2010, but even if this will happen, I am sure they will merge sooner or later. Money will decide and that is on the manufacturers (i.e. the sponsors) side.

Hayseed · 06-20-2009, 08:01 AM

I have grown tired of Bernie's threats of gold medals and his abandonment of some great traditional venues. But is it really possible for FOTA to split from the FIA and become the premier racing series on the planet?

To become the top series they need the FIA points history (that Bernie was willing to dispose of), and Max will never give that up. FOTA just can't start over, there has to be some continuity between the existing record of driver/constructor points and whatever comes later. There is way too much history at stake here!

I see no positive outcome from a split.

I echo the previous poster who blasted Tony George. I have never forgiven that AH.

Mike

fishguy · 06-20-2009, 08:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JAYKAY

the current F1 doesn't have a long-term lock on Monaco,
Jim

jim, i heard while watching the practice on friday that monaco said if there is no ferrari, there will be no monaco.

I am not a big ferrari fan, but right now i love them.
there negotiating techniques of max were said to be," give us an unconditional contract for next season, and THEN we will negotiate"
to me i think the teams>greater than the governing body.

I will watch both, only because i like watching open wheel racing.
anyone know why williams and force india defected from the FOTA teams.
it would have been great if there was %100 unity.

fishguy · 06-20-2009, 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Illumiloti

The fact is, a split program, as has been proven conclusively in the US (Champ/ IRL) DOES NOT SERVE THE SPORT. everyone on this forum should vow, and spread the word (make it go viral), to boycott (refuse to watch) ANY version of Formula 1, thereby forcing these egomaniacs to sit down and work out their petty BS issues. No viewership = no $/ exposure.

i dont think the FOTA teams are the egomaniacs.
it sounds like they have just simply had enough of the 1 egomaniac who is driving them away.
seems like its been a long time coming.
I support the actions of the FOTA teams, though i wish it didnt come to this.
sometimes enough is enough.

View Poll Results: Which will you support in the case of a breakaway series from F1?
FIA F1	3	4.23%
The new FOTA series	37	52.11%
Both	24	33.80%
Neither	7	9.86%
Voters: 71. You may not vote on this poll

06-19-2009, 06:36 PM	#1 (permalink)
Serebo1 fm78.tv - check it. Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 6,824 Images: 4	If a breakaway Formula series forms, which will you watch? I'm going to try and remain as unbiased here as possible, which means I'll say no more, other than that I'm furious right now. Probably too much said. __________________ Matte Black, Sport, Touring, ***** intake (TBA), RAC Mono wheels, Painted Shift knob, smoked turn signals, Alpine SPS 6.5" rear speakers, MB Quarts, JVC Nav, Starshield, LBH exhaust, Dpic perf. gauge, Custom true HID projectors, GUT wing and splitter, Mesh side pods, Sector111 harness bar and 4-point harness, Lotus Sport Ohlins double-adjustable suspension, swaybar, '06 LED tailights, Toda flywheel, Lotusport interior.

06-19-2009, 06:50 PM	#2 (permalink)
JAYKAY Habitual User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 259	Just like CART/IRL, I intend to punish both and watch neither. There is enough blame in this situation to go around. Nobody should be let off the hook. After sitting though the 6 car USGP, I pretty much lost interest anyway. Jim __________________ 2006 Lotus Elise--Starlight Black (Sport, Touring) \| 2007 Birel M32 Parilla Leopard 125cc TaG Kart \|Bowman Race Kart (Rented) \| Chicago Racers

06-19-2009, 07:12 PM	#3 (permalink)
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06-19-2009, 07:27 PM	#5 (permalink)
BRTHTAKR AKA XHILR8N! Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Asheville, North Carolina Posts: 1,151 Images: 6	Yes, it's which one will we keep watching? But talk about fun, this is going to look like a vindictive divorce. Don't let the kids see it, could be obscene. __________________ Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. Leonardo Da Vinci 2005 Elise LRG, Trim Shop interior, full cage, Cup wheels, other stuff. 2007 Toyota Tundra (about 10 cup holders) 2004 BMW X3 (4 small cup holders) 1980 Rover SD1

06-19-2009, 07:27 PM	#4 (permalink)
dwkoski Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 441	I agree with the post about losing interest after the USnonGP. I have continued to follow F1 only as a soap opera of ego, greed and mismanagement. When looked at from that perspective, it remains amusing, if not particullarly enthralling. I'll probably check out races in both series, just to see which group is making the biggest fools of themselves. It would be good to see the Lotus logo on track one more time, even if in a lame format. One thing is certain. No more time or money wasted attending "races."...Dave

06-19-2009, 07:34 PM	#6 (permalink)
dwkoski Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 441	One of the only entertaining aspects of F1 coverage is the announcing. Matchett, Hobbs, and Varsha really are an incredible team. I'm sure SpeedChannel has a contract with Bernie the Gnome and won't be able to televise the new series. The major networks have shied away from open wheel racing coverage as ratings are traditionally poor. I wouldn't pay ten cents to watch the breakaway series on pay-per-view. They'll probably end up with loseres like Derek Daley as their color announcers (remember his stellar performances on the CBS broadcast F1 races?). It'll be really interesting to see how the new series arranges coverage...Dave

06-19-2009, 07:50 PM	#7 (permalink)
apk919 User Restricted By ΑDMIΝ Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Limbo Posts: 6,281 Images: 20	I'll watch FOTA for the racing, and FIA F1 for the amusement value. __________________ * 2009 Lotus Challenge Series Rookie Of The Year * (Thanks Jim, Tom, Jack, Rob & Spring Mountain Motorsports Ranch!) My videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/apk919

06-19-2009, 07:53 PM	#8 (permalink)
JAYKAY Habitual User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 259	Even though I think the split is lame and the players involved are all egomaniacs, I actually think FOTA is in a far better position than the FIA Aside from having all the cars that anybody cares about (ex Williams), thanks to Bernie's greed they now have a huge list of world class venues to chose from for races. Montreal, Silverstone, Paul Richard, Indianapolis, and Hockenhiem are all free today and the current F1 doesn't have a long-term lock on Monaco, Spa, or Monza. That is a huge advantage in terms of drawing interest. Throw in Imola along with a few others, and you have a solid calendar. Jim __________________ 2006 Lotus Elise--Starlight Black (Sport, Touring) \| 2007 Birel M32 Parilla Leopard 125cc TaG Kart \|Bowman Race Kart (Rented) \| Chicago Racers

06-19-2009, 08:58 PM	#11 (permalink)
Green Hornet Zzzzzzz Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Lancaster, PA Posts: 874	The FOTA gang are sure to bring racing back to North America. I look forward to having Canada back as well as 1 or 2 races in the US. If FOTA doesn't screw it up they have a teriffic opportunity. That is assuming they have time to work it all out and make all the court appearances forced by Max and Bernie. F1 will now be held with laughable cars and unknown drivers on tracks located in places nobody wants to go. Sounds like Max has been spending too much time getting his ass kicked by the Nazi Hookers. He’s beginning to act like one. __________________ Life, Liberty and the Happiness of Pursuit

06-19-2009, 11:24 PM	#12 (permalink)
Illumiloti (Formerly PESTODUDE) Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 692	The fact is, a split program, as has been proven conclusively in the US (Champ/ IRL) DOES NOT SERVE THE SPORT. everyone on this forum should vow, and spread the word (make it go viral), to boycott (refuse to watch) ANY version of Formula 1, thereby forcing these egomaniacs to sit down and work out their petty BS issues. No viewership = no $/ exposure. __________________ Randy '07 Phntm Blk Exige S. Proalloy chargecooler, RLS IC tubes, Sector RTD brace, Manly's motor mounts, cup air box, CF Sector front splitter, wing, and side scoops/ mesh removed, SS brake lines, Sector and "Stan's" shifter mod, "Stan's" clutch pedal mod, Voltphreaks 4.5lb battery, Gotham tune.

06-20-2009, 12:03 AM	#13 (permalink)
LouieLaguna Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 51	I will watch the US teams for sure....especially because it seems that there will be US races...as in Las Vegas. Danica Patrick is one of the US drivers..(from what I read). So, US teams, female driver...us tracks. I am sure the new series will have no issues finding fans. I think we all knew that the MS years were something truly special...

06-20-2009, 08:01 AM	#17 (permalink)
ms355 Alfa User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 2,146	Wherever Sebastian Vettel is going to race: I will watch that series. But, seriously: Alan's question is nearly impossible to answer and I am not speaking about technical matters like which TV channel will broadcast what series. Both Ecclestone and Mosley are almost history, although both have proved amazing staying power. Ecclestone at the age of 78 after serious medical problems and Mosley after the public had become aware of his crude sexual preferences. We do not know yet for sure whether there will be 2 series as of 2010, but even if this will happen, I am sure they will merge sooner or later. Money will decide and that is on the manufacturers (i.e. the sponsors) side. __________________ Michael Elisetalk Trip to UK 2007

06-20-2009, 08:01 AM	#18 (permalink)
Hayseed Photo Courtesy of Larry B Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 323	I have grown tired of Bernie's threats of gold medals and his abandonment of some great traditional venues. But is it really possible for FOTA to split from the FIA and become the premier racing series on the planet? To become the top series they need the FIA points history (that Bernie was willing to dispose of), and Max will never give that up. FOTA just can't start over, there has to be some continuity between the existing record of driver/constructor points and whatever comes later. There is way too much history at stake here! I see no positive outcome from a split. I echo the previous poster who blasted Tony George. I have never forgiven that AH. Mike

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