$15K power challenge

[sleepless]

Cool. Thanks!

[L8Apex01]

Originally Posted by sleepless

What things remain to be done

Hey LittleRocket, I have the same question about the parts I paid for last month. 3 weeks ago they just needed to be put in a box and shipped. Any progress since then? You've got my money, but I've got no parts or update. And a car that can't be put together until you deliver.

I've been trying to reach you privately for weeks. Please respond to my PMs/emails so I don't need to post in your threads!

[goelise]

Originally Posted by L8Apex01

Hey LittleRocket, I have the same question about the parts I paid for last month. 3 weeks ago they just needed to be put in a box and shipped. Any progress since then? You've got my money, but I've got no parts or update. And a car that can't be put together until you deliver.

I've been trying to reach you privately for weeks. Please respond to my PMs/emails so I don't need to post in your threads!

HIJACK:
In my book, once the $ exchanges hands its up to the recipient to deliver the goods asap! I understand that you said the parts were ready to be sent immediately upon receiving payment, the payment has already been sent by L8Apex01, and now he's been awaiting for some sort of response or action from you. Please at LEAST let the customer know when the goods are coming.
I know L8Apex01 and he's been straight up with you, so what gives?!?!?!!
He has tried to contact you thru PMs at spyderchat and emails but with no response. His project is now being held up due to this delay and this makes me concerned. I'm a future potential customer of yours, but I'd like to see how you treat your current customers before I hand over my $. You have a good reputation so I hope this continues.

/HIJACK

[sopcich04]

damn 250 HP sounds more than reasonable in this car. these motors cant be that expensive( i dont know much about dohc) in a pushrod engine, HP is limitless. id just drop the 2jz supra motor in it

[Bruce]

Originally Posted by sopcich04

id just drop the 2jz supra motor in it

Just drop it in, huh.

[33truballa33]

Originally Posted by Bruce

Just drop it in, huh.

Yeah both are toyota. and the 2jz is soooooooooo much fast than a k20. How come no one else ever thought about this???

[GTsRasta]

Engine is too long, big and heavy to be mounted transversely. It also wouldn't bolt up to a transmission that can be used in a midship.

[choi0706]

post 266 & 264.. I hope you guys were kidding..

those are the words of honda and toyota fanboys.. believing every car in the world will be better with fanboy engines..

[33truballa33]

yes i was kidding. Couldnt tell by the 9 o's in so?

[R'elise Me]

I'm getting impatient and I don't even own the car. Sleepless - you are one very patient person.

[kortik]

any updates on this
when will it be in Seattle?

[Boosted2.0]

we're still working on it. The head is done except for CCing the head and the coatings.

The intake manifold is progressing nicely but is still a couple weeks out.

Pulleys are done
Bottom end is done except for coatings

I would guess we still have at least another 3 or 4 weeks to go before its ready to ship back.

[Lotus-Position]

For those of us anxiously watching this project, it would be great to know what you think the turn around time and cost will be once you are done with Sleepless.

Since you had to take time to create the flow bench, and figure stuff out along the way, I assume the second time around will be loads shorter and hopefully somewhat less costly.

If you indeed reach your goals, I suspect those of us who want to stay NA will come knockin'

[Boosted2.0]

Once we have everything we are developing in stock as production peices we should be able to turn a car around in a couple of weeks. The time consuming thing will just be downtime for machining, porting and coating work.

[sleepless]

UPDATE: I asked Littlerocket to assume race fuel so we're upping the pistons from 12:1 to 15:1 He was about to assemble the motor next week, but with the new pistons, it will be another 6 weeks. We're hoping for 250HP at the wheels now, instead of at the crank

[GTsRasta]

How much of this ultimate NA checklist are you letting the Texas gremlins do???

http://www.newcelica.org/forums/show...57#post3822057

Originally Posted by Boosted2.0

Start off with...
Injen CAI
PPE header
Kazuma (or mandrel 2.5" ID system)
No cat
Fidanza 'wheel
UR pullies..at your peril, lol (maybe even substitute the AEM alt pulley for the UR one)
69mm TB and port matched to IM
Lots and Lots of weight reduction
lightweight wheels & drag radials

Getting serious...
Power FC
Piper cams (stage II - Stage III requires valves and springs)
Ceramic coating on header
Littlerocket Underdrive lightweight pullies
CF hood & rear hatch
race battery
Fully adjustable suspension


Serious stage...
Head work
race bearings with dry film coating
Piper Cams - stage 3
Forged high comp pistons 12.0:1 - 13.0:1
Light aftermarket rods
MWR valvetrain (if you want to maximise stage III cams with 9k rev limit)
MWR bearings (if you want to still have a working car and a 9k rev limit)
Custom IM and scary TB (boosted2.0 working on this one )
Knife edged crank (for the really brave ones)
Dry film coating on pistons sides & bearings
Ceramic coating on piston top, head underside and valve underside
ceramic on header
oil shedding coating on rods and crankshaft
J&S safeguard
larger fuel pump & injectors
Circuitworx oil pump upgrade
Possible stroker kit
LSD


Track only
HIGH compression forged pistons 15.0:1
UR Crank pulley
Race gas only + race gas tune
Custom 3" CAI with 6" bell on inlet - no filter
Custom large tube header with burns collectors with header dumping to atmosphere
lightened, knife edged polished and ballanced crank
Boosted2.0 / Littlerocket Mac Daddy Race intake manifold (under development)
Lexan windows
electric water pump
alternator delete (drag only)
P/S delete (drag only)
dry sump
crank scraper

This is where I got the tipoff BTW .

[sleepless]

Originally Posted by GTsRasta

How much of this ultimate NA checklist are you letting the Texas gremlins do???

I prefer to call them "elves"; the term "Gremlin" is not something I like to associate with cars

I don't have the exact list, only LittleRocket has it right now. But, most of the engine-related things on that list are going to be included.

[GTsRasta]

You have to be a gremlin if you want to get 250 whp from our engine. I even caught them in action on another one:



BTW why didn't you opt for the stroker? Did you not like the RPM limit? I know the best NA K20 builds were frankensteined and stroked 2.6 Liter beasts.

[codymac]

Originally Posted by choi0706

post 266 & 264.. I hope you guys were kidding..

those are the words of honda and toyota fanboys.. believing every car in the world will be better with fanboy engines..

No... I'd love to have a Supra motor - can you get me one of the JGTC Supra's 3S-GTE powerplants?


Now, back to your regularly scheduled thread...

[CosmosMpower]

Originally Posted by Buz

How about the S2000 motor? I do not know if it can be used transversally. The 2 liter rips with just an exhaust and ecu. The 2.2 needs cams, valve springs, exhaust, and ecu to make good power. both can top 250 crank hp n/a.

Where did you get that info, it's completely wrong and backwards.

The 2.0 (F20C) is a bit weaker than the 2.2 (F22C) in factory form. The 2.2 cars generally dyno 5-15 more peak whp and a lot more midrange torque. They both respond ok to mods but the 06+ version of the 2.2L engine REALLY does well with boltons and the Hondata ECU reflash.

The 2.2L cars generally dyno around 215 whp which equates to 247 crank hp (with standard 15% driveline loss). With a few boltons you could easily shoot for 270-280 crank hp. Honestly the K20 is the way to go for the Elise though, people are making 230-250 whp all day long with boltons in that car.