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Destructive effects of ethanol in gas

ETHANOL IS DESTROYING OUR CARS !

Ethanol is highly corrosive. It destroys fiberglass, aluminum, etc,etc.
Most of the gas stations do not post alcohol stickers any more because "it became a standard blend" - gas distributor told me.
Vehicles in storage are especially vulnerable.
Ethanol is a blend of gasoline and ethyl alcohol. Ethyl alcohol is an excellent solvent and is hydroscopic, that is it adsorbs water. Acting as a solvent, ethanol can damage the sealants used on older fiberglass fuel tanks. The dissolved sealants can be ingested by the engine which can cause damage and fuel leaking from a tank into the bilge is a fire hazard. Fuel tanks built of other materials are not immune to having a problem. Ethanol has a cleaning effect on tanks that releases fine metallic particles which will pass through most fuel filters. The dissolved metals will clog fuel injector nozzles and carburetors. Ethanol added to a fuel tank contaminated with water will cause expensive repairs. The water in the tank will combine with the ethyl alcohol to produce a noncombustible layer of liquid in the tanks that will stop most engines cold

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The Great Ethanol Scam

Not only is ethanol proving to be a dud as a fuel substitute but there is increasing evidence that it is destroying engines in large numbers

By Ed Wallace

"Does the average citizen understand what this means? In from 10 to 20 years this country will be dependent entirely upon outside sources for a supply of liquid fuels … paying out vast sums yearly in order to obtain supplies of crude oil from Mexico, Russia, and Persia."—Yale Professor Harold Hibbert, ethanol promoter, 1925

More than one major transportation-based industry in America besides Detroit is on the ropes. For the fourth time in our history the ethanol industry has come undone and is quickly failing nationally. Of course it's one thing when Detroit collapsed with the economy; after all, that is a truly free-market enterprise and the economy hasn't been good. But the fact that the ethanol industry is going bankrupt, when the only reason we use this additive is a massive government mandate, is outrageous at best.

Then again, the ethanol lobby and refiners have a solution to ethanol's failure in America: Hire retired General Wesley Clark as your point man and lobby the government to increase the amount of ethanol in our fuel to 15%. The problems with that proposition are real—unlike ethanol's benefits.

Where's the Logic?
First, the primary job of the Environmental Protection Agency is, dare it be said, to protect our environment. Yet using ethanol actually creates more smog than using regular gas, and the EPA's own attorneys had to admit that fact in front of the justices presiding over the Third Circuit Court of Appeals in 1995 (API v. EPA).

Second, truly independent studies on ethanol, such as those written by Tad Patzek of Berkeley and David Pimentel of Cornell, show that ethanol is a net energy loser. Other studies suggest there is a small net energy gain from it.

Third, all fuels laced with ethanol reduce the vehicle's fuel efficiency, and the E85 blend drops gas mileage between 30% and 40%, depending on whether you use the EPA's fuel mileage standards (fueleconomy.gov) or those of the Dept. of Energy.

Fourth, forget what biofuels have done to the price of foodstuffs worldwide over the past three years; the science seems to suggest that using ethanol increases global warming emissions over the use of straight gasoline. Just these issues should have kept ethanol from being brought back for its fourth run in American history.

Don't let anybody mislead you: The new push to get a 15% ethanol mandate out of Washington is simply to restore profitability to a failed industry. Only this time around those promoting more ethanol in our gas say there's no scientific proof that adding more ethanol will damage vehicles or small gas-powered engines. With that statement they've gone from shilling the public to outright falsehoods, because ethanol-laced gasoline is already destroying engines across the country in ever larger numbers.

Got a Spare $1,000?
Last July was bad enough for motorists on a budget—gasoline prices had shot up to more than $4 a gallon. But for some the pain in the pocketbook was about to get worse. At City Garage in Euless, Tex., for example, the first of numerous future customers brought in an automobile whose fuel pump was shot. A quick diagnosis determined that that particular car had close to 18% ethanol in the fuel. For that unlucky owner, the repairs came to nearly $900. The ethanol fun was just beginning.

City Garage manager Eric Greathouse has found that adding ethanol to the nation's gasoline supply may be a foolish government mandate, but it has an upside he'd rather not deal with. It's supplying his shop with a slow but steady stream of customers whose plastic fuel intakes have been dissolved by the blending of ethanol into our gasoline, or their fuel pumps destroyed. The average cost of repairs is just shy of $1,000.

It gets better.

Scott Morrison is the owner of the City Garage chain in North Texas and he related the story of his technical director's run-in with ethanol; in December he filled up his E85 Flex Fuel Chevy Suburban at the Exxon station in Ovilla, just south of Dallas. His Suburban died on the spot, because even an E85-equipped vehicle will not run on the 100% pure ethanol that Exxon station was pumping that day. In that case it was not Exxon's fault but a mistake at the distribution center, and Exxon (XOM) quickly made good for the cost of repairs.

On Jan. 16 of this year, Lexus ordered a massive recall of certain 2006 to 2008 models, including the GS Series, IS and LS sedans. According to the recall notice, the problem is that "Ethanol fuels with low moisture content will corrode the internal surface of the fuel rails." In layman's terms, ethanol causes pinpoint leaks in the fuel system; when leaking fuel catches your engine on fire, that's an exciting way to have your insurance company buy your Lexus. Using ethanol will cost Toyota (TM) untold millions.

An Unpublicized Trend
Though the media is ignoring it, one can easily find many stories on BMW (BMWG.DE) blogs relating similar problems with fuel systems damaged by the use of ethanol. Certainly that was the case with Christi Jordan and her 2007 Mini. For weeks it was difficult to start; Moritz BMW in Arlington, Tex., inspected it and found severe carbon buildup inside the engine. On her second trip to the mechanics they decided to test the ethanol content of Christi's fuel and found it was much higher than the federally mandated limit of 10%. This time the fuel pump had been destroyed by the ethanol. The repair bill came to $1,200: As in all cases where vehicles are damaged by ethanol, legally the factory warranty no longer applied.

Jim Keppler, Moritz's fixed operations director, said he's had at least 10 other cases of ethanol poisoning in Minis over the past six months. Christi was one of the lucky ones; Moritz covered her repairs. But there's no telling how many motorists across the nation have had to pay for fuel pumps, or fuel systems, that ethanol damaged. Most were probably unaware of the real culprit behind the breakdown, because virtually no repair shop tests the level of ethanol in the gasoline when these fuel system problems occur.

And there are active lawsuits from boat owners; ethanol broke down the resins in their fiberglass gas tanks, destroying their marine engines. Additionally, those who deal in small gas engines for lawnmowers, edgers, and weedeaters have quickly learned that, as Briggs & Stratton's (BGG) Web site warns, "Ethanol-blended gasoline can attract moisture, which leads to separation and formation of acids during storage. Acidic gasoline can damage the fuel system of an engine while in storage. B&S strongly recommends removing ethanol-blended fuels from engine during storage."

Like motorists, if landscaping tool owners put gasoline with more than 10% ethanol in their small engines, that immediately voids any factory warranties. In the case of the Lexus recall, using just a 10% ethanol blend was found to be destroying many of these engines also.

Another Government-Mandated Mistake
It now appears that in just a few years since the government forced ethanol use on the country, engine and fuel system failures caused by ethanol are causing major damage to more and more new and used vehicles. This means the hapless owners are not only paying for snake oil in lower fuel efficiency and more smog, but pay again when it damages their vehicles and lawn mowers

We seem to have forgotten, but the promise of turning over farmland for fuel production was to reduce our nation's demand for imported crude.

But until this massive economic slowdown, as Gusher of Lies (Public Affairs, 2008) author Robert Bryce pointed out, even while the ethanol mandate was being ramped up we were increasing our imports of foreign oil.

Translation: The entire politically stated purpose of using ethanol had already been proven to be a false one before the program even got fully under way.

No surprise there. The premise that ethanol could give America the freedom to one day stop importing oil has always been fraudulent. Another fun fact: If we outlawed gasoline and diesel, thereby removing every last car, truck and SUV from our highways—no vehicles anywhere on any road in the country—America would still have to import oil because we would still use more crude than domestic production can supply.

Why is that? Crude oil is also used to make fertilizers, aviation fuel, home heating oil, and many other products. Not to mention polyester suits for car salesmen.

Comment Now, Public!
Pushed into it by the corn growers' and ethanol refiners' lobbying organizations, today the EPA is starting to go through the public comment phase on increasing the level of ethanol in our gasoline from 10% to 15%. Time and time again we have heard from these groups, who now claim that there is zero scientific evidence that a 15% blend of ethanol would do any damage whatsoever if the mandate for ethanol were raised. As with all statements made by vested interests, few outsiders have actually taken the time to look and find out whether this statement was true.

In fact, it's false.

Not one mechanic I've spoken with said they would be comfortable with a 15% blend of ethanol in their personal car. However, most suggest that if the government moves the ethanol mandate to 15%, it will be the dawn of a new golden age for auto mechanics' income.

One last thought: Most individuals who have had to repair their fuel systems in recent years never had the gasoline tested to see if the ethanol percentage might be the problem. Today most repair shops and new-car dealers are still not testing for ethanol blends. They're simply repairing the vehicles and sending their unhappy and less wealthy customers on their way. But, where dealer and repair shops are testing the gasoline, ethanol is becoming one of the leading culprits for the damage.

Sadly, when a truly bad idea is exposed today, Washington's answer is to double-down on the bet, mandate more of the same, and make the problem worse. Only this time around motorists will be able to gauge the real cost of ethanol when it comes time to fix their personal cars.

Ed Wallace is a recipient of the the Gerald R. Loeb Award for business journalism, given by the G. and R. Loeb Foundation, and is a member of the American Historical Society. His column leads the Fort Worth Star-Telegram's "Sunday Drive" section. He reviews new cars every Friday morning at 7:15 on Fox Four's Good Day, contributes articles to BusinessWeek Online, and hosts the top-rated talk show Wheels Saturdays from 8 a.m. to 1 p.m. on 570 KLIF.
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Ethanol damages seals.




Don't let them drink it.
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Ethanol damages seals.




Don't let them drink it.
seems more humane than clubbing them.
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So you're saying that if I have too much ethanol, I'm likely to blow a seal?

Yeah, sounds about right.
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Any hoses, other than neoprene rubber, coming in contact with gasohol will desintegrate sooner or later. Example: vent hose connecting tanks on Esprit.
Any aluminum parts, especially carburetor bowl surface, will corrode and malfunction. Cars which are not used daily and in long term storage should be treated with either CRC Phase 4, Valvect or Marine Sta-Bil Ethanol fuel treatment.
Also, I found interesting sales-write up promoting DL Treatment. I have used Marine Sta-Bil with good results( I hope)
" David Liles Ethanol Fuels Gasoline Fuel Treatment One 16 FL. OZ bottle treats up to 16 gallons of gas. Chances are you have probably seen Ford Motor Company's recent commercials debuting their most advanced new vehicles - powered exclusively by Ethanol. This is by no surprise the sign of the times. Auto and truck manufacturers have been mandated to reduce emissions and increase fuel economy. Also, the increased use of Ethanol decreases our growing dependence on foreign oil. In the near future, Ethanol powered vehicles will be offered by all the major auto manufacturers. If you are experiencing a low idle miss, hesitation, loss of power, engine shut off, engine knocking, pinging, clogged fuel injectors, poor acceleration, or any number of fuel related problems, our product represents the most effective and least expensive way to cure these problems. In most instances, these common fuel related issues are cured with a single application. Current fuel additives like STP, Gum Out, Dura-Lube, ZMax, StaBil, Gunk, ProLong, are currently found in retail stores that typically carry these brands. Look on the back label of any one of these products and you will see that the primary ingredient is Petroleum Distillates, commonly known as Kerosene. These Kerosene based products will cause engines to actually run worse. Independent laboratory test confirm the use of Petroleum Distillates increases the build up of carbon, gum, varnish and scaling as a result of burning. Furthermore, none of them remove water from the fuel system. David Liles Ethanol Fuels will: · Oxygenate fuel · Increase power · Remove water · Increase fuel mileage · Work to reduce emissions · Remove detonation problems · Boost octane · Remove carbon · Stabilize fuel Ethanol is approved for all gasoline engine types and manufacturers. Your owner's manual will confirm the safe use of ethanol in gasoline. The following is a partial list of Auto and Truck manufacturers in the U.S. and overseas: Ford, Daimler-Chrysler, Chevrolet, Saturn, Pontiac, Cadillac, Buick, Oldsmobile, General Motors, Hummer, Dodge, Peugeot, Honda, Nissan, Toyota, Hyundai, Kia, Suzuki, Lexus, Infiniti, BMW, Mercedes Benz, Jaguar, Mazda, Acura, Jeep, Volkswagen, Porsche, Volvo, Audi, Range Rover, Land Rover, Bentley, Aston Martin, Saab, Daewoo, Mitsubishi, Isuzu, Bugatti, and many others. In the world of Lawn and Garden, everyone knows that the biggest problems are fuel related. Our company produces the only fuel additive in the world that will correct these problems within minutes. As evidenced in our field-testing, we have taken the worst running engines and within minutes they are running like new. Equipment of all kinds is left outdoors in the hot sun and even in the cold winter elements during on and off-season. Leaving equipment outside creates conditions that are unfavorable to sustaining fuel. Contaminated gasoline can keep these engines from running right and might even prevent them from starting. David Liles Ethanol Fuels is perfectly suited for 2 cycle and 4 cycle engines as well as diesel-powered equipment. Farm equipment manufactures may include such companies as John Deere, Cat, Kubota, Massey Ferguson, Volvo, and many others. On the commercial and residential side, engine manufactures like Honda, Troy-Built, and others all enjoy significant performance benefits from the use of David Liles Ethanol Fuels. Whether your organization is a lawn care business, small engine repair facility, equipment maintenance or tool/equipment rental business, you can experience better running and longer lasting equipment. The savings you will experience in repair cost reductions and the high cost associated with equipment downtime will be immediate and measurable. Ethanol Performs Small Engine Manufactures Approve of Ethanol Ethanol-blended fuels have been used in small engines and other non-automotive gasoline engines since they first came into the market place over 25 years ago. Today, all mainstream manufactures of gasoline and diesel powered engines encourage the use of ethanol blended fuels in their engines. The Portable Power Equipment Manufactures Association (PPEMA), representing manufactures of Lawn and Garden equipment such as chain saws, weed trimmers, lawn mowers, blowers, edgers, and countless other power tools has found no operating problems associated with ethanol blended fuels."

YEP, SURE...
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Any hoses, other than neoprene rubber, coming in contact with gasohol will desintegrate sooner or later. Example: vent hose connecting tanks on Esprit.
Any aluminum parts, especially carburetor bowl surface, will corrode and malfunction. Cars which are not used daily and in long term storage should be treated with either CRC Phase 4, Valvect or Marine Sta-Bil Ethanol fuel treatment.
Also, I found interesting sales-write up promoting DL Treatment. I have used Marine Sta-Bil with good results( I hope)
" David Liles Ethanol Fuels Gasoline Fuel Treatment One 16 FL. OZ bottle treats up to 16 gallons of gas. Chances are you have probably seen Ford Motor Company's recent commercials debuting their most advanced new vehicles - powered exclusively by Ethanol. This is by no surprise the sign of the times. Auto and truck manufacturers have been mandated to reduce emissions and increase fuel economy. Also, the increased use of Ethanol decreases our growing dependence on foreign oil. In the near future, Ethanol powered vehicles will be offered by all the major auto manufacturers. If you are experiencing a low idle miss, hesitation, loss of power, engine shut off, engine knocking, pinging, clogged fuel injectors, poor acceleration, or any number of fuel related problems, our product represents the most effective and least expensive way to cure these problems. In most instances, these common fuel related issues are cured with a single application. Current fuel additives like STP, Gum Out, Dura-Lube, ZMax, StaBil, Gunk, ProLong, are currently found in retail stores that typically carry these brands. Look on the back label of any one of these products and you will see that the primary ingredient is Petroleum Distillates, commonly known as Kerosene. These Kerosene based products will cause engines to actually run worse. Independent laboratory test confirm the use of Petroleum Distillates increases the build up of carbon, gum, varnish and scaling as a result of burning. Furthermore, none of them remove water from the fuel system. David Liles Ethanol Fuels will: · Oxygenate fuel · Increase power · Remove water · Increase fuel mileage · Work to reduce emissions · Remove detonation problems · Boost octane · Remove carbon · Stabilize fuel Ethanol is approved for all gasoline engine types and manufacturers. Your owner's manual will confirm the safe use of ethanol in gasoline. The following is a partial list of Auto and Truck manufacturers in the U.S. and overseas: Ford, Daimler-Chrysler, Chevrolet, Saturn, Pontiac, Cadillac, Buick, Oldsmobile, General Motors, Hummer, Dodge, Peugeot, Honda, Nissan, Toyota, Hyundai, Kia, Suzuki, Lexus, Infiniti, BMW, Mercedes Benz, Jaguar, Mazda, Acura, Jeep, Volkswagen, Porsche, Volvo, Audi, Range Rover, Land Rover, Bentley, Aston Martin, Saab, Daewoo, Mitsubishi, Isuzu, Bugatti, and many others. In the world of Lawn and Garden, everyone knows that the biggest problems are fuel related. Our company produces the only fuel additive in the world that will correct these problems within minutes. As evidenced in our field-testing, we have taken the worst running engines and within minutes they are running like new. Equipment of all kinds is left outdoors in the hot sun and even in the cold winter elements during on and off-season. Leaving equipment outside creates conditions that are unfavorable to sustaining fuel. Contaminated gasoline can keep these engines from running right and might even prevent them from starting. David Liles Ethanol Fuels is perfectly suited for 2 cycle and 4 cycle engines as well as diesel-powered equipment. Farm equipment manufactures may include such companies as John Deere, Cat, Kubota, Massey Ferguson, Volvo, and many others. On the commercial and residential side, engine manufactures like Honda, Troy-Built, and others all enjoy significant performance benefits from the use of David Liles Ethanol Fuels. Whether your organization is a lawn care business, small engine repair facility, equipment maintenance or tool/equipment rental business, you can experience better running and longer lasting equipment. The savings you will experience in repair cost reductions and the high cost associated with equipment downtime will be immediate and measurable. Ethanol Performs Small Engine Manufactures Approve of Ethanol Ethanol-blended fuels have been used in small engines and other non-automotive gasoline engines since they first came into the market place over 25 years ago. Today, all mainstream manufactures of gasoline and diesel powered engines encourage the use of ethanol blended fuels in their engines. The Portable Power Equipment Manufactures Association (PPEMA), representing manufactures of Lawn and Garden equipment such as chain saws, weed trimmers, lawn mowers, blowers, edgers, and countless other power tools has found no operating problems associated with ethanol blended fuels."

YEP, SURE...
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is there a cliffs notes version to this cliffs notes version?
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is there a cliffs notes version to this cliffs notes version?
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Any hoses, other than neoprene rubber, coming in contact with gasohol will desintegrate sooner or later. Example: vent hose connecting tanks on Esprit.
Any aluminum parts, especially carburetor bowl surface, will corrode and malfunction. Cars which are not used daily and in long term storage should be treated with either CRC Phase 4, Valvect or Marine Sta-Bil Ethanol fuel treatment.
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I thought this was all well known by now? I also thought that new cars were being built with parts meant to handle the ethanol.
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misconception

New cars use the same technology as old cars. Noone is building stainless steel engines or carbs. Aluminum, new or old, it still corrodes.
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My old car running California's "Premium" 91 octane fuel:




My car running on E85 with the same mods and dyno'd about 20 minutes later:



I don't see what's so destructive of it and its a LOT less corrosove compared to running methanol....
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And what do you propose we do, MRDANGERUS? Walk into the local Shell station with a shotgun and demand they remove the ethanol from their fuel? I guess that would guarantee we wouldn't be burning ethanol (or fuel of any type) any time soon, as a jail cell or coffin is a bit small, even for a Lotus.

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i was at the mosport alms races a few weeks ago.the guy i was working for had a shop right off pit lane.the team right in front of the shop was team corvette.you should see there fuel rigs.they are like big stainless steal kegs.they where very protective of it to.they had to run regular gas through the cars after every session to flush the e85 out of the system.so even a race car designed to run e85 still has to be very careful with the stuff.
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[QUOTE=michael.white;1488211]And what do you propose we do, MRDANGERUS? Walk into the local Shell station with a shotgun and demand they remove the ethanol from their fuel? I guess that would guarantee we wouldn't be burning ethanol (or fuel of any type) any time soon, as a jail cell or coffin is a bit small, even for a Lotus.

Don't be silly, do you live in Detroit, Phoenix?

Just buy and use additives which will protect your engine.
I posted this information hoping to save you some money in the future.
BTW how much your garage or dealer charges for an engine rebuild? May be is dead cheap? Let us know.
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I think MRDANGERUS and Ridgemanron are one and the same... next we'll be hearing about the benefits of Motorsilk, Techron and Pur Escape.
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Once they started putting ethanol in the gas that they sell at the dock where I get the gas for my boat, I have had nothing but problems. Evidently ethanol also works as a nice scrubbing agent, pulling the film that develops on the walls of your gas tank off. This sounds nice until it clogs your filters, injectors, etc. I'm actually about to send the boat to have the deck removed and a new tank put in.

Also, if I remember correctly ethanol does not have the caloric content as gasoline. So you actually get worse gas mileage with it.
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Any hoses, other than neoprene rubber, coming in contact with gasohol will desintegrate sooner or later. Example: vent hose connecting tanks on Esprit.

The Esprit vent hoses (Tygon tubing) rot due to the adhesive that Lotus used to attache them to the fiberglass and carpet. Those hoses only crack where they have touched glue. I've replaced all of them on several cars, including a '91 X180-R with 2000 miles.

BTW, I have been using ~10% ethanol on my esprit for 10 years, and my acuras for longer. Neither are E85 or designed for Ethanol at all. I have also been through my entire engine and fuel system during a rebuild, and there is no sign of corrosion at all.

Even my 21 year old rubber fuel pipes, that connect my tanks, look brand new, with no cracking hardening.


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I've got an '82 Jeep where I replaced both rubber fill lines in '98. I recently pulled those lines. Both lines were still flexible and undamaged, even though they're internally exposed to gasoline and externally exposed to the elements (except sunlight, of course).

Likewise, I recently replaced the head due to an external coolant leak, a leak that is no where near gasoline. A visual inspection of the cylinders did not uncover any corrosion on an engine with 100,000 miles since rebuild that, admittedly, leaks a bit of oil out the rear main seal (and has since rebuilt), but does not burn it.

And the fuel lines that feed that engine were replaced back in 2002. I recently pinched a fuel line between the radiator and frame during a radiator replacement, causing a leak. The hose was perfectly fine, soft and uncracked, except for the damaged part.

From the articles I've seen, most of the problems seem to occur on equipment that sits idle for months on end. Down here in the southern states where snow is a two- or three- time a year event, most people can drive anything all year round, so sitting idle is not normally an issue.

For now, I'm not going to invest in a bottle of Sta-bil every eight gallons of gas, unless one of the many, many folks who rebuild and tinker with their engines on these forums comes up with some photos, evidence, or first hand stories from their trusted mechanic.
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