Hass thread - Page 3 - LotusTalk

MattG · 07-19-2006, 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tvacc

It is for information like this that the forums exsist. I WANT to know what vendors are reliable and which ones are not.

...and that is exactly WHY that thread was allowed to exist, from my perspective at least. if we could have gotten the information out in a calm, rational manner, we would have ALL been better off for it. Instead, it got emotional and a little(?!) out of hand.

scottyb · 07-19-2006, 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MattG

...and that is exactly WHY that thread was allowed to exist, from my perspective at least. if we could have gotten the information out in a calm, rational manner, we would have ALL been better off for it. Instead, it got emotional and a little(?!) out of hand.

Fine I'll restart it in an informational non- emotional manner with nothing but statements that have been backed up by other members or statements posted in previous threads

Gaddock · 07-19-2006, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by maz

his board. his rules. quit crying and try to do something constructive for the general lotus community, or do this face to face like men.

b.t.w.randy thanks for stopping the madness.

Hey Maz,
I must disagree that the thread did not contribute to the Lotus Community (those who are seeking FI upgrades). I believe the thread provided good source of information for "who not to use and why".
I understand your perspective of "not screwing around with stock sports cars" and I am happy to say that mine did not get "blown by Hass"

However, there are many legitimate complaints about the reliability of his "Kit" and several complaints regarding the carelessness and negligent work that was performed at his shop (ie, brakes not bolted on, heat shields not replaced, etc.)

I believe that people had a right to that information (for their own safety)

Just my humble opinion.

MattG · 07-19-2006, 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scottyb

Fine I'll restart it in an informational non- emotional manner with nothing but statements that have been backed up by other members or statements posted in previous threads

I recommend discussing this with Randy to better learn where that fine line is, before you spend too much time composing this.

Thomas Praetzel · 07-19-2006, 03:47 PM

Randy,
What is "dick wrestling"?
Go to your room, check from Lotus in the mail!

Aloha,
Thomas Praetzel

eliseowner2b · 07-19-2006, 03:56 PM

I haven't seen everyone this mad since the hurricane blocked the first shipments of Elises into the east coast port.

The ones complaining about censorship should log off and write a book if they really need to vent somewhere.

008 · 07-19-2006, 04:28 PM

Why the hell was my thread deleted?!!!

Randy, don't start looking through all my posts, I'm just screwing with you again. I hope this months check from Lotus is a big one, you earned it.

Btw, Do you get a belt or a ring when you win the dick wrestling championship?

TimMullen · 07-19-2006, 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomas Praetzel

Go to your room, check from Lotus in the mail!

Guys, stop it. There is no check from Lotus or anyone else.

The plain and simple fact of the matter is that the thread got out of hand including personal attacks. The moderators had a large discussion as to what would be the best course of action, with a big downside of any option being these accusations of "censorship". Believe me (whether you want to or not), censorship had nothing to do with closing the thread and removing some of the posts from public view (they are all still on the server - not deleted).

The bottom line is that when Randy can be personally held liable by one of more of the parties involved, then it's in his best interest (as well as the best interest of all the users of EliseTalk) to shut down the thread. Period. We don't pay Randy enough (as in absolutely zero) to expose himself to any liability at all.

So, to the people that are crying "censorship" or complaining that the thread is closed (or even joking about it - it's not always apparent), back off. At least unless you are personally willing to front the money that it could cost Randy.............. Yea, I didn't think so...

zvezdah1 · 07-19-2006, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Stan

Elisetalk could also have legal disputes about how things are handled on the forums. Or just become less relevant. All the censorship and stuff remains an issue. Oh yeah it was not "removed" but it was "moved".

Come on!

Well it IS removed from public view and only visible to a tiny group controlled by Randy. That IS removed or deleted from this forum in effect. To claim otherwise is pathetic and weak.

Stan what exactly is your problem? I think everyone on elisetalk that's been a registered member for more than a month knows your crusade against censorship. You bring it up in virtually every other post. In addition to frequent statements about a secret cabal behind the scenes pulling all the strings here. At this point it's just continuing to beat a dead horse. This is Randy's forum and I'll back him up in what's necessary to keep this forum moving in a positive direction.

IF you or anyone else don't like the way things are run, it's your option not to revisit this forum.

You have my phone number and can feel free to contact me if you want to talk person to person but at these stage not positive of the outcome as we're polls apart and neither will change the other's mind.

STAN - this is a car forum for ENTERTAINMENT purposes, we're not dealing with the cure for cancer, bin laden's whereabouts, or the winning lottery ticket number.

Once again, please give it a rest!

Chris

scottyb · 07-19-2006, 05:20 PM

I think that if a thread about how bad a Hass turbo was is no longer available to be read, then all threads about Hass Turbo should be no longer available.

If you can't tell the end of the story, then no story should be told period. If we are going to censor, then wipe out all threads and post that mention Mr. Hass and his kit. Otherwise it could be viewed that the owner of this board is in collusion with Mr. Hass and is suppressing any and all information that shows Mr. Hass in a negative way.

Randy Chase · 07-19-2006, 05:26 PM

JAY!!! WHERE IS MY CHECK?!?!

TimMullen · 07-19-2006, 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scottyb

Otherwise it could be viewed that the owner of this board is in collusion with Mr. Hass and is suppressing any and all information that shows Mr. Hass in a negative way.

Then doesn't that mean that all posts ever made by scottyb and any other that ever said anything negative would also have to be deleted? Maybe we just need to completely shut down EliseTalk and be done with it.

Get serious, people. What ever is done is not going to satisfy everyone - someone is not going to like it, or someone else is going to call Censorship!

Fight it out in court if necessary, but let it drop on this forum. Address other problems in the future if they actually happen, and quit trying to get Randy sued at this point in time.

Just say NO!

zvezdah1 · 07-19-2006, 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scottyb

I think that if a thread about how bad a Hass turbo was is no longer available to be read, then all threads about Hass Turbo should be no longer available.

If you can't tell the end of the story, then no story should be told period. If we are going to censor, then wipe out all threads and post that mention Mr. Hass and his kit. Otherwise it could be viewed that the owner of this board is in collusion with Mr. Hass and is suppressing any and all information that shows Mr. Hass in a negative way.

Scotty,
You certainly could post your experiences on your own website, I fail to see why Randy or ETALk should go to the mat for this.

The conspiracy theorists here on the forum will be believe what they want to believe. I happen to think the VAST MAJORITY of etalk members are a bit smarter than that however. IMHO, it's the VAST MAJORITY that I'm interested in keeping here.

Chris

MyElise · 07-19-2006, 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scottyb

Otherwise it could be viewed that the owner of this board is in collusion with Mr. Hass and is suppressing any and all information that shows Mr. Hass in a negative way.

There you go......that's the ticket!

Randy Chase · 07-19-2006, 06:08 PM

All I can say is that I must have done a great job at suppressing anything negative said about Hass. Damn.. I am good at this.

You all didn't read any negative comments right? Nothing that was post after post, going on for days? Because I didn't allow that, right?

JAY... WHERE IS MY CHECK?!?!?!

At least send me a hat. Hell, Lotus gave me a free hat.

zvezdah1 · 07-19-2006, 06:11 PM

Yep, Randy did such a good job of supressing bad posts he's got lawyers after him now! sheesh

Chris

Tintin · 07-19-2006, 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Randy Chase

JAY!!! WHERE IS MY CHECK?!?!

Thomas Praetzel · 07-19-2006, 06:21 PM

Tim,
Try taking Sense of Humor 50A at your nearby community college. Check thing was a joke, and a resurrected one at that. Try dick wrestling while you're at it. (don't think he deserved that!)

Aloha,
Thomas Praetzel
3 posts, one mod, quite the ratio

Randy Chase · 07-19-2006, 06:26 PM

Note, the odd thing about dick wrestling?

There are no winners.

Thomas Praetzel · 07-19-2006, 06:38 PM

Now Randy, how do you know that, and how the hell many people aren't paying you at this point? I think I hear a Bass Ale calling me from the fridge, those things can be so annoying? Oh well, must answer the call.

Aloha,
Thomas Praetzel
Randy does have a second degree black belt in dick wrestling, saw it on another site!

07-19-2006, 03:56 PM	#46 (permalink)
eliseowner2b Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Georgia Mtns Posts: 2,293	I haven't seen everyone this mad since the hurricane blocked the first shipments of Elises into the east coast port. The ones complaining about censorship should log off and write a book if they really need to vent somewhere. __________________ Dan Parker 92 BMW 325 - JP Race Car 09 Jetta Tdi 06 Z4 M Coupe 09 Child on the way (anyone need a car?)

07-19-2006, 04:28 PM	#47 (permalink)
008 Sexual Philanthropist Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,170	Why the hell was my thread deleted?!!! Randy, don't start looking through all my posts, I'm just screwing with you again. I hope this months check from Lotus is a big one, you earned it. Btw, Do you get a belt or a ring when you win the dick wrestling championship? __________________ Sold: Ardent Red, LSS, Touring, Hard Top 08 Cayman S Black, floormats

07-19-2006, 05:20 PM	#50 (permalink)
scottyb Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 3,683	Lets be fair I think that if a thread about how bad a Hass turbo was is no longer available to be read, then all threads about Hass Turbo should be no longer available. If you can't tell the end of the story, then no story should be told period. If we are going to censor, then wipe out all threads and post that mention Mr. Hass and his kit. Otherwise it could be viewed that the owner of this board is in collusion with Mr. Hass and is suppressing any and all information that shows Mr. Hass in a negative way.

07-19-2006, 05:26 PM	#51 (permalink)
Randy Chase Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: San Diego and where ever the roads lead Posts: 28,174 Images: 761	JAY!!! WHERE IS MY CHECK?!?! __________________ * V E R I T A S * A E Q U I T A S * No Longer the ADMIN here, please do not PM me asking for help. Thanks! 2006 Noble M400. Getrag tranny, Quaiffe LSD, Hinged clams. Duratec dual turbo V6. Hoosier 315-18 tires. 2350 pounds. Over 500hp. Track weapon. 2009 Rossion Q1. Monaco Orange. Wing. Black leather/Alcantara with orange stitching. The street car. In build: 2009 Toniq R (300whp? 1100 pounds?). Chrome Orange. Lexus GX-470 tow vehicle.

07-19-2006, 06:08 PM	#55 (permalink)
Randy Chase Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: San Diego and where ever the roads lead Posts: 28,174 Images: 761	All I can say is that I must have done a great job at suppressing anything negative said about Hass. Damn.. I am good at this. You all didn't read any negative comments right? Nothing that was post after post, going on for days? Because I didn't allow that, right? JAY... WHERE IS MY CHECK?!?!?! At least send me a hat. Hell, Lotus gave me a free hat. __________________ * V E R I T A S * A E Q U I T A S * No Longer the ADMIN here, please do not PM me asking for help. Thanks! 2006 Noble M400. Getrag tranny, Quaiffe LSD, Hinged clams. Duratec dual turbo V6. Hoosier 315-18 tires. 2350 pounds. Over 500hp. Track weapon. 2009 Rossion Q1. Monaco Orange. Wing. Black leather/Alcantara with orange stitching. The street car. In build: 2009 Toniq R (300whp? 1100 pounds?). Chrome Orange. Lexus GX-470 tow vehicle.

07-19-2006, 03:47 PM	#45 (permalink)
Thomas Praetzel BANNED Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Maui, Hawaii Posts: 270	Randy, What is "dick wrestling"? Go to your room, check from Lotus in the mail! Aloha, Thomas Praetzel

07-19-2006, 06:11 PM	#56 (permalink)
zvezdah1 eliseaholic! Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: georgia Posts: 6,773	Yep, Randy did such a good job of supressing bad posts he's got lawyers after him now! sheesh Chris __________________ Chris Club111 #3 06 Solar yellow/Touring/Traction Ctrl/Blk Whl Pkg/Strshld

07-19-2006, 06:21 PM	#58 (permalink)
Thomas Praetzel BANNED Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Maui, Hawaii Posts: 270	Tim, Try taking Sense of Humor 50A at your nearby community college. Check thing was a joke, and a resurrected one at that. Try dick wrestling while you're at it. (don't think he deserved that!) Aloha, Thomas Praetzel 3 posts, one mod, quite the ratio

07-19-2006, 06:26 PM	#59 (permalink)
Randy Chase Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: San Diego and where ever the roads lead Posts: 28,174 Images: 761	Note, the odd thing about dick wrestling? There are no winners. __________________ * V E R I T A S * A E Q U I T A S * No Longer the ADMIN here, please do not PM me asking for help. Thanks! 2006 Noble M400. Getrag tranny, Quaiffe LSD, Hinged clams. Duratec dual turbo V6. Hoosier 315-18 tires. 2350 pounds. Over 500hp. Track weapon. 2009 Rossion Q1. Monaco Orange. Wing. Black leather/Alcantara with orange stitching. The street car. In build: 2009 Toniq R (300whp? 1100 pounds?). Chrome Orange. Lexus GX-470 tow vehicle.

07-19-2006, 06:38 PM	#60 (permalink)
Thomas Praetzel BANNED Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Maui, Hawaii Posts: 270	Now Randy, how do you know that, and how the hell many people aren't paying you at this point? I think I hear a Bass Ale calling me from the fridge, those things can be so annoying? Oh well, must answer the call. Aloha, Thomas Praetzel Randy does have a second degree black belt in dick wrestling, saw it on another site!

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