Moroso Oil Pan Feedback - LotusTalk

Dave · 01-04-2009, 08:09 AM

Thinking about installing one. Did some searching but just wanted the latest feedback. I remember a while back some had seal/leaking issues. This problem been cleared up? Also, is the install pretty straightforward, OE pan off - new pan on?

Chili Red · 01-04-2009, 08:27 AM

Had no problems with mine.. You do need to remove the windage tray though.

fishguy · 01-04-2009, 08:29 AM

when I did mine, the OE pan was difficult to remove. I was told by my freind who is a professional mechanic that i should have borrowed his heat gun and it would have come off much easier.
I also had to trim the windage tray over and over to try to get it to fit, until i just couldnt not make it work, so i left it off.
the dipstick also did not go into the pan correctly now, and had to be bent towards the drivers side of the car at the tip to fit inot the pan(it was too long). I never really trusted the dipstick reading after that, but i was told it should be accurate.

the only way i would even consider it is if i personally experienced any of the oil starvation issues that some reported on only a few corners of either left or right hand (very) long sweeping corners that you are under lateral g loads for a good period of time.

if you get the pan and do this, make sure to put the pan on a glass tabletop or something that you know to be flat to check the pan to make sure that it is flat. that was also an issue i remember hearing about from some of the pans.

if i had to do it over again, i would not do the modification, and spend the $/time on something else.

scottyb · 01-04-2009, 08:45 AM

I had one of the 1st apparently improved versions on my 1st elise. I would not do it again either. Unless you are tracking and seeing an oil starvation issue at sustained high g's on a track, I think it is overkill. I also agree with fishguy's opinion.

Bavarian Motorist · 01-04-2009, 08:49 AM

Accusump seems like a much better over-all solution that works on the street as well.

plastique999 · 01-04-2009, 11:26 AM

I had oil starvation before And after Moroso oil pan install...I still blew a rod/bearing.

I now have Accusump as well.

Chili Red · 01-04-2009, 12:06 PM

If you see oil starvation its likely to late to do anything... Maybe on the next motor though..

choi0706 · 01-04-2009, 07:27 PM

what i did..

added OEM toyota oil pan gasket material on the insides of welds

shifted the top baffle over to give more clearance on the dip stick

added OEM toyota oil pan gasket material on the threads of bungs

no leaks..

fwiw there is some gasket material already in place, I added more.. it's pretty easy to do..

Sh4rkattk · 01-04-2009, 08:32 PM

Anyone know if the pan will void warranty? Ive heard mixed responses to warranty issues. If the dealer installs it, lotus will still warranty the engine.

ZJChaser · 01-04-2009, 08:44 PM

mine went on fine on both motors. I really wouldn't run one on track without it.

Illumiloti · 01-04-2009, 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bavarian Motorist

Accusump seems like a much better over-all solution that works on the street as well.

Doesn't the accusump address different issues than the oilpan?

plastique999 · 01-04-2009, 09:04 PM

The Accusump, as a reserve cannister of oil, will probably save the engine for about a minute or so....then it's toast.

That's why in addition, I am adding oil pressure and temp. gauges as well...will be on my datalogger.

Bavarian Motorist · 01-04-2009, 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestodude

Doesn't the accusump address different issues than the oilpan?

If there is a significant drop in pressure (or maybe any drop in pressure) the Accusump will provide enough oil pressure for a period of time to spare the engine of starvation.

Additionally, it helps on start-up as well where the engine isn't well oiled usually, the Accusump will lubricate the engine right at start-up which means you don't have to worry about engine wear upon start-up.

dustylax · 01-05-2009, 08:28 AM

I have the pan on my own car, have installed a couple of them and sold many many more but never an issue. i have heard from people there have been problems in the past, then i looked into it and i found out there was a bad batch that MWR got and the flange was warped, thats just what i have heard so dont hold me to it, as far as all the pan's we have had thru here we havent had any issues.

Jack · 01-05-2009, 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestodude

Doesn't the accusump address different issues than the oilpan?

They really help with the same general issue. The accusump is a poor man's dry sump...(almost

) and a baffled pan will help to trap/keep oil near the pick-up under high G's. The accusump has other advantages like keeping the oiling system pressurized which helps tremendously every time you start the car.

In my experimentation on cars with an accusump and gauges with data logging functions, I've found that a baffled pan will definitely reduce the instances of momentary drops in oil pressure (before the accusump would even be triggered) under high G situations.

I like the one pictured below -- modified stock pan with baffles and trap doors. I like my windage tray and there are no fitment/clearance/leak issues.

choi0706 · 01-05-2009, 09:19 AM

thats fancy!

choi0706 · 01-05-2009, 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dustylax

I have the pan on my own car, have installed a couple of them and sold many many more but never an issue. i have heard from people there have been problems in the past, then i looked into it and i found out there was a bad batch that MWR got and the flange was warped, thats just what i have heard so dont hold me to it, as far as all the pan's we have had thru here we havent had any issues.

there are some seeping issues through the welds.. which is why moroso is now adding gasket material on the insides of welds.. they just dont cover all the welds, so I add more..

Illumiloti · 01-05-2009, 09:21 AM

Who made/ modified that pan Jack? Do you have that on your cup car?

Jack · 01-05-2009, 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestodude

Who made/ modified that pan Jack? Do you have that on your cup car?

Yes, all my track cars.

That pan is produced by Bemani, a Swiss tuner of Lotus and Toyota products.

dmh · 01-05-2009, 09:48 AM

I use the windage tray with the Moroso pan. You just have to fit, trim, and install.
A benefit of the Moroso pan is the increased capacity.
I do find, however, that the welds seep oil.

01-04-2009, 08:09 AM	#1 (permalink)
Dave Mods are good for you Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 2,961	Moroso Oil Pan Feedback Thinking about installing one. Did some searching but just wanted the latest feedback. I remember a while back some had seal/leaking issues. This problem been cleared up? Also, is the install pretty straightforward, OE pan off - new pan on? __________________ 2008 Solar S240 Exige 2005 Saffron Elise - BOE TVS Supercharger 291WHP w/ EFI Engine Mgmt

01-04-2009, 08:27 AM	#2 (permalink)
Chili Red Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 2,204	Had no problems with mine.. You do need to remove the windage tray though. __________________ 2007 Exige S - Chili Red 2009 Mini Cooper S - Chili Red Gotham 265, Nitron Sport Pro, Moroso oil pan, RTVBrace, Volk CE28N/R888, Cup Wheels/A048, 2Bular Ultra 4", Rapfix II w/ Sparco P300, S111 CF Splitter, Ultradiscs, Pagid RS42, V-Force Harness Bar, Schroth PROFI II, Fire Extinguisher, Folding Tow Hook, Odyssey PC680, re-ENFORCER, LLumar 30% tint, Traqmate, DashDAQ, Chasecam, Alpine IVA-D100 w/ Backup Camera.

01-04-2009, 08:29 AM	#3 (permalink)
fishguy registered nipple Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 4,780 Images: 1	when I did mine, the OE pan was difficult to remove. I was told by my freind who is a professional mechanic that i should have borrowed his heat gun and it would have come off much easier. I also had to trim the windage tray over and over to try to get it to fit, until i just couldnt not make it work, so i left it off. the dipstick also did not go into the pan correctly now, and had to be bent towards the drivers side of the car at the tip to fit inot the pan(it was too long). I never really trusted the dipstick reading after that, but i was told it should be accurate. the only way i would even consider it is if i personally experienced any of the oil starvation issues that some reported on only a few corners of either left or right hand (very) long sweeping corners that you are under lateral g loads for a good period of time. if you get the pan and do this, make sure to put the pan on a glass tabletop or something that you know to be flat to check the pan to make sure that it is flat. that was also an issue i remember hearing about from some of the pans. if i had to do it over again, i would not do the modification, and spend the $/time on something else. __________________ 2008-2009 SCCA AZ Regional "Driver of the Year" 1986 Swift DB-1 Sold 2008 HSR-West FF 3rd generation Champion 2008 "The Series" FF 3rd generation Champion 1987 Porsche Spec 944 2008-2009 season SCCA AZ regional Champion

01-04-2009, 08:49 AM	#5 (permalink)
Bavarian Motorist Live to Drive Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: NYC/Westchester, NY Posts: 10,852	Accusump seems like a much better over-all solution that works on the street as well. __________________ Be an alpha male. Drive a Lotus.

01-04-2009, 11:26 AM	#6 (permalink)
plastique999 Form and Function Join Date: May 2008 Location: Alta Loma, CA Posts: 3,046	I had oil starvation before And after Moroso oil pan install...I still blew a rod/bearing. I now have Accusump as well. __________________ www.FaceNBody.com 2005 Lotus Elise: 2bular decat\GT3 exhaust,HID's,turn signal&rear fins delete, CFside scoops, CFbinnacle,CFcenter console,Zoom CF mirror,APR Aero kit,CF 5-elem. diffuser,Exige mesh,Ohlins DA,RTD brace,RAC 'lites,Toyo R888's,HawkHT10's,CO painted calipers,SS lines,Reverie XC CF seat,Reverie CF steering wheel,Schroth Profi II 6 pt harness,shifter re-Enforcer,Manly mounts, Accusump,Moroso pan,BWR key to BWR S/C! Spec Racer Ford #237

01-04-2009, 08:45 AM	#4 (permalink)
scottyb Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 3,683	I had one of the 1st apparently improved versions on my 1st elise. I would not do it again either. Unless you are tracking and seeing an oil starvation issue at sustained high g's on a track, I think it is overkill. I also agree with fishguy's opinion.

01-04-2009, 12:06 PM	#7 (permalink)
Chili Red Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 2,204	If you see oil starvation its likely to late to do anything... Maybe on the next motor though.. __________________ 2007 Exige S - Chili Red 2009 Mini Cooper S - Chili Red Gotham 265, Nitron Sport Pro, Moroso oil pan, RTVBrace, Volk CE28N/R888, Cup Wheels/A048, 2Bular Ultra 4", Rapfix II w/ Sparco P300, S111 CF Splitter, Ultradiscs, Pagid RS42, V-Force Harness Bar, Schroth PROFI II, Fire Extinguisher, Folding Tow Hook, Odyssey PC680, re-ENFORCER, LLumar 30% tint, Traqmate, DashDAQ, Chasecam, Alpine IVA-D100 w/ Backup Camera.

01-04-2009, 07:27 PM	#8 (permalink)
choi0706 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Houston/Austin Posts: 4,228	what i did.. added OEM toyota oil pan gasket material on the insides of welds shifted the top baffle over to give more clearance on the dip stick added OEM toyota oil pan gasket material on the threads of bungs no leaks.. fwiw there is some gasket material already in place, I added more.. it's pretty easy to do.. __________________ Jay-05' ST, HT, Touring Red Rally Ready

01-04-2009, 08:32 PM	#9 (permalink)
Sh4rkattk A pound at a time. Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: LA SFV Posts: 559	Anyone know if the pan will void warranty? Ive heard mixed responses to warranty issues. If the dealer installs it, lotus will still warranty the engine. __________________ 07 Exige S - PhB., TP, TP, LSD, S111 Rear Panel Delete, 2Bular De-Cat, 2Bular 8x24 Burnt GT3, Custom AEM Intake, 6k HID's, Schroth 4pt ASM Harnesses, Milled Steering Arms, Bronze Volk TE37 w/ RE-01R's, Carbon Craftsquare Mirrors, Carbon Front Lip, Benetec Dry Carbon Undertray/Diffuser

01-04-2009, 08:44 PM	#10 (permalink)
ZJChaser Blue Wheel Pimp Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Laguna Hills, CA Posts: 2,851	mine went on fine on both motors. I really wouldn't run one on track without it. __________________ AJ - Akua Solutions - #128 Lotus Exige - JRZ Suspension - Innovative Mounts - Toyo Tires - TW Research Development

01-04-2009, 09:04 PM	#12 (permalink)
plastique999 Form and Function Join Date: May 2008 Location: Alta Loma, CA Posts: 3,046	The Accusump, as a reserve cannister of oil, will probably save the engine for about a minute or so....then it's toast. That's why in addition, I am adding oil pressure and temp. gauges as well...will be on my datalogger. __________________ www.FaceNBody.com 2005 Lotus Elise: 2bular decat\GT3 exhaust,HID's,turn signal&rear fins delete, CFside scoops, CFbinnacle,CFcenter console,Zoom CF mirror,APR Aero kit,CF 5-elem. diffuser,Exige mesh,Ohlins DA,RTD brace,RAC 'lites,Toyo R888's,HawkHT10's,CO painted calipers,SS lines,Reverie XC CF seat,Reverie CF steering wheel,Schroth Profi II 6 pt harness,shifter re-Enforcer,Manly mounts, Accusump,Moroso pan,BWR key to BWR S/C! Spec Racer Ford #237

01-05-2009, 08:28 AM	#14 (permalink)
dustylax 2.0-6262 Join Date: May 2007 Location: NY Posts: 437	I have the pan on my own car, have installed a couple of them and sold many many more but never an issue. i have heard from people there have been problems in the past, then i looked into it and i found out there was a bad batch that MWR got and the flange was warped, thats just what i have heard so dont hold me to it, as far as all the pan's we have had thru here we havent had any issues. __________________ Please PM if you need anything, i am working from home now.

01-05-2009, 09:19 AM	#16 (permalink)
choi0706 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Houston/Austin Posts: 4,228	thats fancy! __________________ Jay-05' ST, HT, Touring Red Rally Ready

01-05-2009, 09:21 AM	#18 (permalink)
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01-05-2009, 09:48 AM	#20 (permalink)
dmh Republic to Thugocracy Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: New Jersey Posts: 707	I use the windage tray with the Moroso pan. You just have to fit, trim, and install. A benefit of the Moroso pan is the increased capacity. I do find, however, that the welds seep oil. __________________ "This is the moment when we must come together to save this planet. Let us resolve that we will not leave our children a world where the oceans rise and famine spreads and terrible storms devastate our lands." Community Organizer and Chief Obama...now intervening with natural occurrences!

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