Moroso Oil Pan Feedback - Page 2 - LotusTalk

turbophil · 01-05-2009, 10:39 AM

I've got the Moroso pan and would imagine that it's needed unless you track the car. So to answer Dave's question, I doubt it's needed for even the most aggressive street driver. I just can't think of a place on the street where you can get multi-second periods of 1+G side loads... But then again, I'm a pansy of a street driver

I reserve the hard driving for the track

Darksol and I did a little real world test of the moroso pan a while back. We poured a couple quarts of gas in the pan and then tilted the pan from one side to the other. It took SEVERAL seconds for the gas to make it from one end of the pan to the other with the majority of the gas staying in the area designated for the oil pickup. All those little trap doors work surprisingly well. Not real scientific, I know, but we were both a bit taken back by just how well the trap doors work with a very thin fluid like gasoline (probably ~similar~ to viscosity of hot oil)...

I rec'd a later batch of the pans and have had no problems with leaking of any sort.

The toughest part about the whole operation is getting the old pan off. Major PITA, as the gorilla snot that's holding it on is something else

For anyone interested, I put a little tutorial on my webpage in the tech section.

Best,

Phil

Mr. Oz · 01-05-2009, 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack

I like the one pictured below -- modified stock pan with baffles and trap doors. I like my windage tray and there are no fitment/clearance/leak issues.

Jack,
You have PM.

Monkeywrench · 01-07-2009, 02:49 PM

Moroso has significantly improved their weld technique on the pans. I'd be very interested to hear from anyone who has bought a pan recently and has any sort of leakage problems. We've seen none lately.

On the pan issue, I'd definitely add it to a track car. Accusumps are good too but unfortunately they don't address the oil pump issue. We've had several customers explode their oil pumps at normal RPM levels in long turns when running sticky tires. I assume oil starvation is the issue since the oil pump would otherwise need to exceed 10,000 rpm to explode. The Accusump feeds in oil after the oil pump which would not help this issue.

jim-clayton · 01-07-2009, 03:47 PM

I have installed a couple of the newer pans. No leaks. Great product.

lt0302 · 01-07-2009, 03:53 PM

mine leaks around the oil plug.....time for a teflon/rubber washer

ZAMMY1 · 01-07-2009, 06:19 PM

curious..... do the smalblock chevy guys have that much problem with the moroso stuff, or doesn't it seem to matter to them?

sam

codymac · 01-12-2009, 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack

I like the one pictured below -- modified stock pan with baffles and trap doors. I like my windage tray and there are no fitment/clearance/leak issues.

BTW - those little trap door flaps are BMW parts.

BMW p/n:
11 13 1 309 428
"Flow Gate"

Seriously.

Jack · 01-12-2009, 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by codymac

BTW - those little trap door flaps are BMW parts.

BMW p/n:
11 13 1 309 428
"Flow Gate"

Seriously.

Good to know...in case I ever need flaps....

biodan · 01-12-2009, 01:31 PM

Hi, I bought my Moroso pan from nolimitmotorsports around late June of this yr. Last weekend, i had the car up on jackstands and found seepage around a couple of the weld seams on the pan. To my knowledge there was no extra gasket material added to the inside of the pan as Jay has suggested; would adding it to the outside of the welds even work? (apart from looking ghastly). I have pics at home and can post them tonite.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Monkeywrench

Moroso has significantly improved their weld technique on the pans. I'd be very interested to hear from anyone who has bought a pan recently and has any sort of leakage problems. We've seen none lately.

cstetter · 01-12-2009, 02:39 PM

No leaks on mine. Purchased and installed by ForcedFed in September 2008.

choi0706 · 01-12-2009, 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by biodan

Hi, I bought my Moroso pan from nolimitmotorsports around late June of this yr. Last weekend, i had the car up on jackstands and found seepage around a couple of the weld seams on the pan. To my knowledge there was no extra gasket material added to the inside of the pan as Jay has suggested; would adding it to the outside of the welds even work? (apart from looking ghastly). I have pics at home and can post them tonite.

probably not.. you can try though, it sure beats having to drop the pan again.. for the stuff to work, you must clean the surface really well.. I hate to say this, but perhaps JBweld may work better on the outside.. your installer should of added gasket maker on the insides..

biodan · 01-12-2009, 11:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Monkeywrench

Moroso has significantly improved their weld technique on the pans. I'd be very interested to hear from anyone who has bought a pan recently and has any sort of leakage problems. We've seen none lately.

Late June 08 Moroso pan. In the first 2 pics, one can clearly see oil coming from the weld seams. In the last pic, one can see that there is a fine spray pattern coming from the seam; oil is spraying around the nut. I have to be especially careful watching my oil level now. May try the JBWeld after cleaning the surfaces well.

xziteme · 01-22-2009, 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Monkeywrench

Moroso has significantly improved their weld technique on the pans. I'd be very interested to hear from anyone who has bought a pan recently and has any sort of leakage problems. We've seen none lately.

I recently got the Moroso oil pan from Monkeywrench last week and had it pressure tested for leaks prior to install. The results showed negative signs of leaks.

Simba · 01-24-2009, 02:20 PM

I have an "early" pan which did indeed have seeping issues. I made a jig out of plate steel to bolt the thing down square (was close, but not totally flat) and went over all the beads with my TIG.

No leaks, perfectly flat, works great. I've given the car a healthy amount of beans on the track, and had no pressure issues, though I do plan on adding an accusump as well at some point. Namely as they're cheaper than engines and I like pre-oiling.

One thing worth mentioning though is that it's a good idea to use a Toyota pan gasket with a VERY light coat of FIPG (Toyota gasket maker-- basically black silicone) on both sides of the gasket, versus a bead of silicone on the bare metal. The gasket compresses a fair bit, and as it's porous, allows the silicone to adhere very well, while still making it reasonably easy to remove the pan in future.

GregD · 01-24-2009, 11:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack

Yes, all my track cars.

That pan is produced by Bemani, a Swiss tuner of Lotus and Toyota products.

How much does it cost, and where did you get it?

sleepe · 03-05-2009, 02:25 PM

I couldn't find anything about the steel oil pump gear.
At what power levels is this gear necessary?
What is the problem with the stock gear?
-Robert

01-05-2009, 10:39 AM	#21 (permalink)
turbophil Plug Whisperer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Kansas City/ Overland Park Posts: 2,544 Images: 6	I've got the Moroso pan and would imagine that it's needed unless you track the car. So to answer Dave's question, I doubt it's needed for even the most aggressive street driver. I just can't think of a place on the street where you can get multi-second periods of 1+G side loads... But then again, I'm a pansy of a street driver I reserve the hard driving for the track Darksol and I did a little real world test of the moroso pan a while back. We poured a couple quarts of gas in the pan and then tilted the pan from one side to the other. It took SEVERAL seconds for the gas to make it from one end of the pan to the other with the majority of the gas staying in the area designated for the oil pickup. All those little trap doors work surprisingly well. Not real scientific, I know, but we were both a bit taken back by just how well the trap doors work with a very thin fluid like gasoline (probably ~similar~ to viscosity of hot oil)... I rec'd a later batch of the pans and have had no problems with leaking of any sort. The toughest part about the whole operation is getting the old pan off. Major PITA, as the gorilla snot that's holding it on is something else For anyone interested, I put a little tutorial on my webpage in the tech section. Best, Phil __________________ \| '05 GG LSS Elise \| A Track Chariot \| BOE ClamHinge \| BOE TVS SuperCharger 280whp/180wtq \| EFI Standalone Engine Management \| BOE Fuel Surge System \| BOE Lotus Tow Package See my car at BOE Fabrication: www.boefabrication.com *----->Last Updated: 9/25/2009* If something ain't worth doing right, it ain't worth doing... *Whoever thought working on a Lotus is hard, clearly hasn't tried it. Pick up a wrench and get some grease under your nails*

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jim-clayton Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Fort Lauderdale Florida Posts: 1,634	I have installed a couple of the newer pans. No leaks. Great product. __________________ 2005 Elise Storm Titanium

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lt0302 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Glendale, AZ Posts: 332	Mine Leaks mine leaks around the oil plug.....time for a teflon/rubber washer __________________ 05 Lotus Elise R/K Supercharger, Stage II, Moroso Oil Pan, RTD Brace, High Volume All Aluminum Radiator, Stainless Steel Break Lines, Oil Catch Can, ACT Clutch, HID, Carbon Fiber Spliter, Reverie Side Scoops, CF side skirts, FF gauge pod, BWR gauge pod, Cup Air Box, S111 front & rear tow hooks, upgraded tail lights-LED, Driving lights, LETSLA, ...

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sleepe Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Rehoboth Beach, DE Posts: 1,049	I couldn't find anything about the steel oil pump gear. At what power levels is this gear necessary? What is the problem with the stock gear? -Robert __________________ Elise'06ST:RAC/r888-Ultradiscs-Larini 8"-Braille-Saikou Michi cans-Nitron sportpro-RTVbrace-widened undertrays-manly's motor inserts-FF engine damper VF2

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01-07-2009, 02:49 PM	#23 (permalink)
Monkeywrench Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Detroit, MI Posts: 118	Moroso has significantly improved their weld technique on the pans. I'd be very interested to hear from anyone who has bought a pan recently and has any sort of leakage problems. We've seen none lately. On the pan issue, I'd definitely add it to a track car. Accusumps are good too but unfortunately they don't address the oil pump issue. We've had several customers explode their oil pumps at normal RPM levels in long turns when running sticky tires. I assume oil starvation is the issue since the oil pump would otherwise need to exceed 10,000 rpm to explode. The Accusump feeds in oil after the oil pump which would not help this issue.

01-07-2009, 06:19 PM	#26 (permalink)
ZAMMY1 ZAMMY Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: washington, pa, (near PGH.) Posts: 1,557	curious..... do the smalblock chevy guys have that much problem with the moroso stuff, or doesn't it seem to matter to them? sam

01-12-2009, 02:39 PM	#30 (permalink)
cstetter Nothing witty to say Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 1,443	No leaks on mine. Purchased and installed by ForcedFed in September 2008.

01-24-2009, 02:20 PM	#34 (permalink)
Simba 2/3 hp to the paws. Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: NY Posts: 497	I have an "early" pan which did indeed have seeping issues. I made a jig out of plate steel to bolt the thing down square (was close, but not totally flat) and went over all the beads with my TIG. No leaks, perfectly flat, works great. I've given the car a healthy amount of beans on the track, and had no pressure issues, though I do plan on adding an accusump as well at some point. Namely as they're cheaper than engines and I like pre-oiling. One thing worth mentioning though is that it's a good idea to use a Toyota pan gasket with a VERY light coat of FIPG (Toyota gasket maker-- basically black silicone) on both sides of the gasket, versus a bead of silicone on the bare metal. The gasket compresses a fair bit, and as it's porous, allows the silicone to adhere very well, while still making it reasonably easy to remove the pan in future.

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