There are 2 styles of the Moroso Oil Pan? - LotusTalk

goelise · 12-01-2007, 06:19 PM

I saw this thread on a different site. Someone took my pics of the Moroso Oil Pan and compared it to his Moroso Oil Pan -

http://www.newcelica.org/forums/show...ferrerid=16210

I don't see any advantage for either pan:

The 2nd Style Oil Pan:

As compared to my Oil Pan (the one on the bottom):

Randy Chase · 12-01-2007, 08:42 PM

Yes.

According to the engineer Randy at Moroso, Matt at MWR helped design the first 2ZZ pan, so he owns the rights to sell it. They sell a slightly different pan also.

MikeW · 12-01-2007, 10:39 PM

I'm sure I never will find the thread but a year ago or more someone posted on ET. He stated that he designed the pan while working at Moroso. He said the pan was originally designed for the Lotus but later changed to fit the Celica. I always wondered why the sump was so shallow under the last 2 cylinders. I assume the celica had some interference there. Funny, I don't recall the stock oil pan being that shallow in that area. As far as the tray difference, mine was the one that's tilted toward the rear of the car (bottom photo). It didn't look like a great idea to have no oil running to the front kickout of the sump. Remember, the flange of the pan tilts toward the rear of the car. I just cut the front part of the tray off and tig welded a new piece on aimed downward.
I might add that as the pan sits on your floor, that's pretty close to how it sits on the engine. Quite an angle. In fact the oil is pretty much up to the flange at the back of the car. I would prefer the deeper pan with the tray sitting level, not the one I got. It's expensive and frustrating not having the proper pan when you're buying a new pan because you're concerned about oiling issues. I considered adding material to deepen the shallow sump. It should help with crankcase pressure and windage since the pistons travel up and down so close to the pan and the crankcase is narrowed way down also.
Also, that shallow sump won't do as much good in a long high G left hand turn as a deeper one. Nice photos.

mark.r · 12-02-2007, 04:41 AM

I'll have to double check but I am pretty certain that mine is the "deep" one, like the top one here:

I know my system including the Accusump hold nearly 8 quarts and with that shallow one I don't see that being the case. I will have to double check next time I am under the car.

kortik · 12-04-2007, 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by goelise

I don't see any advantage for either pan:

what do you mean?

Baysailor · 12-04-2007, 04:18 PM

Does one fit the with stock windage tray better than the other (no trimming or removal required)?

Westrock · 12-04-2007, 06:26 PM

Is the bigger one, the one that is available? I would think it would be better as it holds more oil and we don't have any exhaust pipe running under to worry about.

Jean-Paul · 01-23-2008, 03:06 AM

do we know which one is better? i purchased mine form forcefed but dont know which one is it ?!!

can someone help me? thx a lot

Randy Chase · 01-23-2008, 05:34 AM

I don't think one is really better than the other. Your's from ForcedFed should be fine. It is the same one on my car.

Jean-Paul · 01-23-2008, 06:30 AM

which from the two in the pictures is it ?

dmh · 01-31-2008, 05:20 PM

Where can the deeper version be purchased?

kortik · 01-31-2008, 07:15 PM

mwr

dmh · 02-02-2008, 04:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kortik

mwr

Nope -- MWR sells the shallow one.

RoadDad · 02-02-2008, 04:28 AM

The pictures on both websites appear to show a shallow pan

.

Jean-Paul · 02-11-2008, 12:30 AM

mine from forcedfed was the lower one from the pictures but it seems fien to me. the guys at foredfed helped/guided me a lot for the installation!!!

mark.r · 02-11-2008, 02:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jean-Paul

mine from forcedfed was the lower one from the pictures but it seems fien to me. the guys at foredfed helped/guided me a lot for the installation!!!

+1. Why is there so much concern over which one to buy? There are many people who have the one from FF and it works find, myself included. Just by the one from FF and be done with it.

ACE51 · 01-08-2010, 08:41 PM

what does the G-pan look like?

jbs · 01-08-2010, 11:08 PM

Sector111 gPAN :
gPAN

ACE51 · 01-10-2010, 08:20 AM

so it looks like the G-Pan has the "deeper" side piece as shown in the 4th post 1st picture

12-01-2007, 06:19 PM	#1 (permalink)
goelise AR #1275 Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Midwest, USA Posts: 2,737 Images: 1	There are 2 styles of the Moroso Oil Pan? I saw this thread on a different site. Someone took my pics of the Moroso Oil Pan and compared it to his Moroso Oil Pan - http://www.newcelica.org/forums/show...ferrerid=16210 I don't see any advantage for either pan: The 2nd Style Oil Pan: As compared to my Oil Pan (the one on the bottom): __________________ '06 Ardent Red Elise - black interior with LSS, Touring, HT, Starshield, Lotus Sport Clutch, Moroso Oil Pan, 2ZZ(#2), Ekological HIDs, Lotus Driving Lights, Stebel Horn, Bootie, Razo '06 Pedal mod,Snorkel Delete,Odyssey 680 with s111 bracket. Thank you FVMC! WOO-HOO! Last edited by goelise; 12-01-2007 at 06:34 PM.

12-01-2007, 08:42 PM	#2 (permalink)
Randy Chase britishspeeder Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: San Diego Posts: 28,302 Images: 761	Yes. According to the engineer Randy at Moroso, Matt at MWR helped design the first 2ZZ pan, so he owns the rights to sell it. They sell a slightly different pan also. __________________ My pm box is too full. Please email me at randy @ britishspeed dot com Thanks.

12-02-2007, 04:41 AM	#4 (permalink)
mark.r Makin' house calls . . . Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Leesburg, VA Posts: 2,610	I'll have to double check but I am pretty certain that mine is the "deep" one, like the top one here: I know my system including the Accusump hold nearly 8 quarts and with that shallow one I don't see that being the case. I will have to double check next time I am under the car. __________________ DRS Tuned FF275 '06 Exige - Sold My racing prediction for '09 . . . the Japanese guy on the Italian bike and the Italian guy on the Japanese bike.

12-04-2007, 04:18 PM	#6 (permalink)
Baysailor Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 1,248	Does one fit the with stock windage tray better than the other (no trimming or removal required)? __________________ 2006 Lotus Elise - Solar Yellow, HT, LSS, LSD/TC, Touring, StarShield, S111 RTDbrace, S111 microMirror, S111 Carpet Buttons, Painted A/C Surround, CF Center Console, Nitron S/A, Tempest BAB26-12 AGM Battery, Fujita Intake, Top Speed Pro 1 Exhaust, 4Tress Harness Bar, 6000k 35w HID kit, Moroso Oil Pan, Plinthless front clam, Team Dynamics Pro Race 1.2 Wheels w/ RE01-R's for street use, Heater Core By-Pass, Shifter Reinforcement, LETSLA v2 Shift Kit

12-04-2007, 06:26 PM	#7 (permalink)
Westrock Haxord but mine Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Fort Worth Posts: 2,196	Is the bigger one, the one that is available? I would think it would be better as it holds more oil and we don't have any exhaust pipe running under to worry about. __________________ -David 2006 Storm Ti Exige + VF Stage 2 Vision Function Supercharger Install Thread Stereo Harness Info

12-01-2007, 10:39 PM	#3 (permalink)
MikeW Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,373	I'm sure I never will find the thread but a year ago or more someone posted on ET. He stated that he designed the pan while working at Moroso. He said the pan was originally designed for the Lotus but later changed to fit the Celica. I always wondered why the sump was so shallow under the last 2 cylinders. I assume the celica had some interference there. Funny, I don't recall the stock oil pan being that shallow in that area. As far as the tray difference, mine was the one that's tilted toward the rear of the car (bottom photo). It didn't look like a great idea to have no oil running to the front kickout of the sump. Remember, the flange of the pan tilts toward the rear of the car. I just cut the front part of the tray off and tig welded a new piece on aimed downward. I might add that as the pan sits on your floor, that's pretty close to how it sits on the engine. Quite an angle. In fact the oil is pretty much up to the flange at the back of the car. I would prefer the deeper pan with the tray sitting level, not the one I got. It's expensive and frustrating not having the proper pan when you're buying a new pan because you're concerned about oiling issues. I considered adding material to deepen the shallow sump. It should help with crankcase pressure and windage since the pistons travel up and down so close to the pan and the crankcase is narrowed way down also. Also, that shallow sump won't do as much good in a long high G left hand turn as a deeper one. Nice photos.

01-23-2008, 03:06 AM	#8 (permalink)
Jean-Paul Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Greece, Athens Posts: 291	do we know which one is better? i purchased mine form forcefed but dont know which one is it ?!! can someone help me? thx a lot __________________ I have the simplest tastes... I am only satisfied with the best !!! "Simplify & Add Lightness" J.P

01-23-2008, 05:34 AM	#9 (permalink)
Randy Chase britishspeeder Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: San Diego Posts: 28,302 Images: 761	I don't think one is really better than the other. Your's from ForcedFed should be fine. It is the same one on my car. __________________ My pm box is too full. Please email me at randy @ britishspeed dot com Thanks.

01-23-2008, 06:30 AM	#10 (permalink)
Jean-Paul Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Greece, Athens Posts: 291	which from the two in the pictures is it ? __________________ I have the simplest tastes... I am only satisfied with the best !!! "Simplify & Add Lightness" J.P

01-31-2008, 05:20 PM	#11 (permalink)
dmh Republic to Thugocracy Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: New Jersey Posts: 725	Where can the deeper version be purchased?

01-31-2008, 07:15 PM	#12 (permalink)
kortik Matrix XRS 2zz-ge Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 309	mwr __________________ 05 Toyota Matrix XRS Indigo Ink Pearl 2zz-ge Progress Rear Sway Bar TRD STB PBR Groundwires MagnaFlow Cat Back Exhaust Tein SS coilovers TWM Short Shifter Injen CAI C-one perfromance Fr. Rr. Bar C-one Underpanel

02-02-2008, 04:28 AM	#14 (permalink)
RoadDad v that's why I'm a Dad Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 8,738	The pictures on both websites appear to show a shallow pan .

02-11-2008, 12:30 AM	#15 (permalink)
Jean-Paul Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Greece, Athens Posts: 291	mine from forcedfed was the lower one from the pictures but it seems fien to me. the guys at foredfed helped/guided me a lot for the installation!!! __________________ I have the simplest tastes... I am only satisfied with the best !!! "Simplify & Add Lightness" J.P

01-08-2010, 08:41 PM	#17 (permalink)
ACE51 SRA #51 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 1,579	what does the G-pan look like? __________________ Abarth Fiat 11' SRA (Spec Race Atom) SEASON CHAMPION 10/10 06 CO Exige SOLD, 09 Elise SOLD, 05 Elise SOLD

01-10-2010, 08:20 AM	#19 (permalink)
ACE51 SRA #51 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 1,579	so it looks like the G-Pan has the "deeper" side piece as shown in the 4th post 1st picture __________________ Abarth Fiat 11' SRA (Spec Race Atom) SEASON CHAMPION 10/10 06 CO Exige SOLD, 09 Elise SOLD, 05 Elise SOLD

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