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Old 01-06-2013, 01:32 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Quick spin during the winter

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So the elise has been in the garage since the first week of december, and I am getting the crazy urge to take it out, just for 1 quick drive. There is no snow and it is kind of warm (by IL winter standards). I know most of the car construction is fiber glass / AL, but would there be any risk of lasting damage (from salt, water etc) if I were to take it out for just 1 hr?
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Old 01-06-2013, 02:04 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I'd spray it off when you're done at least. Be careful!

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Old 01-06-2013, 02:42 PM   #3 (permalink)
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You will never get the salt out of one once your drive it in the salt.

I am so crazy about that I store my car at the house next door. I have been working on it in my garage. Last week I snowblowed a path over the grass to drive it next door rather then "street" drive it the 100 feet to the next door driveway.

Now if you dont care and are going to sell the car at some point. Fine. But if you plan to keep it or want to advertise it as never being in salt, do not do it.
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if you end up in a situation where salt has gotten on your anodized aluminum, there is a product called "salt away" (i think that is the name) that will neutralize the corrosive properties when applied.
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I started using SaltAway last year on my everyday drivers. While it does work, and I have seen how of works, driving a car on salty roads will put salt in places where I doubt you will be able to gei.t to it unless you had a way to evenly spray the underside of the car with the spray going straight up.
You can buy SaltAway from Amazon and West Marine.

I had a great hour conversation with the inventor. Stuff does work.
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Maybe it's just me but I think people go overboard with the salt thing.

I can understand extensive period of exposure, but a random drive here or there shouldn't matter.

And who knows if I'll keep the car until the end of days...

I'm sure there are PLENTY of owners who have driven the cars in snow and salt. Cars are now 8 years old and I haven't seen one thread of salt corrosion damage.

Was 38 on Saturday morning. Clear. I drove.

Supposed to be in the mid to upper 40's mid week here. I'm driving!
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I'm sure there are PLENTY of owners who have driven the cars in snow and salt. Cars are now 8 years old and I haven't seen one thread of salt corrosion damage.
Yes, the Brits typically drive their cars year round.
That is why it is so tough to find a car for sale there which doesn't have a completely rotten suspension.
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Well I have a question. Around here, if there is any vehicle damage due to a road hazard (such as a pot hole) the city pays for the damages. If this salt is causing so much damage to the cars, and we know its the salt, why isn't the governing body putting the salt down liable for damages? Why do they not supplement another substance to melt the ice?
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Well I have a question. Around here, if there is any vehicle damage due to a road hazard (such as a pot hole) the city pays for the damages. If this salt is causing so much damage to the cars, and we know its the salt, why isn't the governing body putting the salt down liable for damages? Why do they not supplement another substance to melt the ice?


Like what? I think there's a big difference between the city not maintaining the roads and neglecting potholes thus causing suspension damage, and the city salting the roads to prevent you from wrapping your head around a telephone pole because of loss of control on a slippery road.
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Like what? I think there's a big difference between the city not maintaining the roads and neglecting potholes thus causing suspension damage, and the city salting the roads to prevent you from wrapping your head around a telephone pole because of loss of control on a slippery road.
Right, I agree there is a big difference between the two, and there is a great public benefit from salting, but is there not some other product or chemical that could replace salt? Espically since the salt is so damaging to vehicles? Definitely not trying to start an argument here, just curious
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Right, I agree there is a big difference between the two, and there is a great public benefit from salting, but is there not some other product or chemical that could replace salt? Espically since the salt is so damaging to vehicles? Definitely not trying to start an argument here, just curious
You know, there probably is a better product that's safer for vehicles but I'll bet you it's wicked more expensive. Then again, your guess is as good as mine on that.
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There is...heat.

Hot ice, I heat up the ice cubes. It's the best of both worlds.

Or glycol like they use to de-ice airplanes, but that is not cheap and has other downsides.
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There is...heat.

Hot ice, I heat up the ice cubes. It's the best of both worlds.

Or glycol like they use to de-ice airplanes, but that is not cheap and has other downsides.
Not sure how much HEAT would cost (I think that's expensive ^%*! thought), but glycol is nowhere near cost-effective for the application in question.
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So we're back to square one.........salt. Get a winter beater and put the nice toys away until the spring rains clear the roads of salt and gravel.
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Oh man, just thinking about the nightmare of trying to use heat to melt all the ice.....yeah might as well just use the salt :P
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I know some of you guys drive you Loti year-round, but I cringe when I see an expensive sports car out in the slop. To each his own, right? It's a free coun........er........well, not really anymore, but to each his own anyway.
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It's a free coun........er........well, not really anymore, but to each his own anyway.
hahaha very true

And drive mine pretty much year round, but we only see snow maybe 2-3 times a year, and my Elise stays put up until all of that is melted and gone, usually its such a little amount it never sticks or requires any salting. Occasionally (every 4-5 years) we'll get one BAD storm. Its funny because we literally have about 200 accidents and even more cars run off the road during those times because people have hardley ever driven in those conditions.
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Here is a bit of info for our city. It's generally too cold for salt to be effective here. Trust me, the 'sanding chip mixture' will keep you off the road with a nice car...

Salt management plan FAQ

Although there is ongoing research into the use of alternative materials for winter maintenance, road salts continue to be the most cost-effective de-icers.

The City believes in using the right amount of salt or sanding product in the right place and at the right time.

•The use of sand or salt is dependent on road surface temperatures and weather conditions.
•When road surface temperatures are between 0 and -10 degrees Celsius, salt is used to melt accumulated snow and ice.
•For road surface temperatures below -5 degrees Celsius, a sanding chip mixture (3% salt, 97% fine gravel) is used.
All sanding trucks are equipped with automatic controls that spread a pre-determined amount of material depending on road conditions. Under certain conditions salt or calcium chloride brine may be applied to roads or bridges just before a snowfall is expected. This treatment prevents snow and ice from adhering to the road or bridge surface, reducing the amount of salt or sanding chips needed during the snowfall.


1. What are road salts?

Road salts include sodium chloride (NaCl), calcium chloride (CaCl2), potassium chloride (KCl) and magnesium chloride (MgCl2). The City of Calgary only uses sodium chloride and calcium chloride. Roads salts used for snow and ice control may be solid or liquid brines.

5. How much road salt does The City of Calgary use?

The City applies approximately 30,000 to 40,000 tonnes of road salts annually in order to keep Calgary on the move in difficult winter driving conditions.
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hahaha very true

And drive mine pretty much year round, but we only see snow maybe 2-3 times a year, and my Elise stays put up until all of that is melted and gone, usually its such a little amount it never sticks or requires any salting. Occasionally (every 4-5 years) we'll get one BAD storm. Its funny because we literally have about 200 accidents and even more cars run off the road during those times because people have hardley ever driven in those conditions.
Dude, if I lived in TX I'd be DDing my Lotus, too. Ya lucky bastard!
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Here is a bit of info for our city. It's generally too cold for salt to be effective here. Trust me, the 'sanding chip mixture' will keep you off the road with a nice car...
Yeah, but that sh!t works!
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