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post #1 of 40 (permalink) Old 12-05-2016, 07:59 AM Thread Starter
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To Trade or Not To Trade

I can't believe I'm even considering this, but I also can't get it out of my head.

I have a mint condition 2005 Elise with just under 7,000 miles on it. Track and Touring packs, as well as a short-throw shifter. Runs great, and people who see it can't believe it's an 11-year old car.

And I barely ever drive it! If it's raining or snowing, I don't take it out. If I need to park somewhere and I know that parallel parking on the street is the only option, I won't take it out. If it's a long, inter-city drive, I will choose another car.

Basically, the only time I ever drive it is if I'm going for a "drive," or rarely I'll drive to work where I can do head-in parking. But even that's on a public street and worries me.

So the idea came to me this weekend to do a trade. Sell the Lotus, and purchase a 10-year old 911. Why?

1) The Porsche has bumpers, so I can park it on the street.
2) The Porsche is comfortable, so I can use it for long drives.
3) The Porsche would not have me as afraid of rain/snow.

That said (and I do love Porsches):

1) A Porsche is relatively common and less interesting.
2) A Porsche in my price range will likely be a coupe so I'm giving up the open-air experience.
3) A Porsche is fast, but lacks the visceral driving experience of the Lotus. (But then, that's also the problem with the Lotus!)
4) A Porsche will be more expensive to maintain - I do a lot of the work on the Lotus myself, not sure I can do that on the German beast.

Has anyone done this trade in either direction? Any suggestions about how I should think about this, or what I am missing in my thoughts? If you are familiar with the market for Lotus and Porsche, is what I am contemplating even possible?

Talk me out of doing this - or talk me into it!
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There will NEVER be a car like the S2 Elise made ever again.

You currently have the purist sports car on the planet... and you would inevitably regret selling it the day afterwards.

Do not do it.

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There will NEVER be a car like the S2 Elise made ever again.

You currently have the purist sports car on the planet... and you would inevitably regret selling it the day afterwards.

Do not do it.
That's the answer I keep coming back to in my head. I'm pretty sure that I would regret the decision, even if I enjoy driving my new "toy car" more.
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Agreed. I think selling the Elise would only lead to regret. It's one of those rare, special cars that comes along once every 40-50 years. The fact that this one just happened to be obtainable for the masses, and was made in low numbers makes it even more special. I actually want a Cayman, but I'm thinking about buying one as my daily driver, not a replacement for my Elise.

Good luck! I know the gravity of temptation all too well, myself.
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You obviously have a pristine car.

But is there much point in keeping it pristine if that just leads to selling it?

How about accepting a little wear and tear and going out and driving it more?

Just my 2 cents.
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Don't sell the Lotus. Buy an older Porsche Boxster for $15,000 and use it as a daily driver. Enjoy the top down driving and don't worry about the wear and tear a daily driver will receive. Enjoy the Lotus on the weekends.
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Now, I have been known for not washing my car since it takes away from time spent driving it.

I am a bit fussy in parking, but parallel parking is not the end of the world.

in 32 years of lotus ownership I have had 3 parallel parking incidents
One caused zero damage[happened right in front of me]
One the guy came and found me and caused 1200 dollars, which I basically never fixed[parking light on my +2]
One the idjit in a Subaru embedded his license plate bolt in my freshly painted rear bumper cover, woulda cost at least 500 bucks if I had fixed it, which I didn't. squeezed a water bottle full onto his seat through the sunroof tho.

53 bucks a year

something approaching 150k miles


drive the car
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I should add my definitions of parking carefully

Never park in a tight space where the person getting out needs skill to avoid you, they do not have that skill

If you park in a wide space, park in such a way as no one can try to squeeze in behind or in front of you

When given the option, park in an end space. 50 percent fewer hits!

IF you live in a low enforcement zone, park illegally, not fire hydrant illegally, but too close to the corner illegally. Fewer people will follow your lead. Unless they drive a Subaru. Idjit, hope his girlfriend's butt got soaked.

Park where you can see the car, just in case. I have to admit my favorite diner was getting crowded for breakfast, so I opted for a different place several times so I could park where I could keep an eye on the Exige. I will get over that in a few years.

Stop being lazy and walk 100 yards already. I park at Home Depot, the supermarket, the bank on weekly basis. Never near the door, but not a mile away, just at the edge of where people are parking so they can see you.
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Buy a second salvaged car and drive it everywhere?
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I sold my Lotus for a 996 cabriolet…1 yr later I sold it and bought another Lotus
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I should add my definitions of parking carefully

Stop being lazy and walk 100 yards already. I park at Home Depot, the supermarket, the bank on weekly basis. Never near the door, but not a mile away, just at the edge of where people are parking so they can see you.
I see we went to the same parking school. What year did you graduate in?

I drive my wife crazy with this in parking situations no matter what car we are in but she has started adopting my method too over the years.

OP: I vote keep the Lotus. I feel you will regret it but I know we are all just a wee bit bias here.
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Being a old Porsche guy I will tell you, don't trade your Elise. the only way I would do it is if you can afford to have both otherwise keep the Lotus. I am in the market for another Porsche but no way would I do it if it involved a trade with my Lotus, and I have an Evora not even an Elise. There are certain cars you should hold on to.
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This is a Lotus forum. 95% of us are going to tell you to keep the car. It's like an alcoholic going to a bar to ask if it's a good idea to stop drinking. (We are all drinking the koolaide here) Ask this same question on a Porsche forum and 95% will say sell it and buy the Porsche.

So my vote is keep the Elise.....unless you want an Exige. That's what I did.

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I would have to go with consensus, but mine is not an informed opinion. I just don't know what could actually take the place of how a Lotus elige feels?

I have always been the one who is a slight masochist and has to have at least one machine on the cutting edge of handling. In the end it was why I quit riding my R1. Now it's the reason why I don't drive my Exige much or often. I'm simply not in the mood, but my god what a vacuum if I could not turn to it. Sure the car kinda bruises you a bit when driven well. I know what to expect. At the end of a day I am tired, and a little sore after taking it into mountains, but it's a very satisfied tired. I know why I feel the way I do the next day.

I guess it reflects on me? I'm not ready to ever really grow up. I will know I have arrived when I can have a mean Evora whilst having my trusty Brat at the ready!
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If you get a Porsche made between 1997 and 2008 - make sure the IMS is updated with LN engineering ceramic bearing. Failure = new $10k engine. A 2001 - 2004 boxster S 6 speed is a great car for 10-13k. You will regret selling the lotus, but if you can't get over the fear of breaking it - come to think of it - you just need to start driving it!!!!
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Don't sell the Lotus. Buy an older Porsche Boxster for $15,000 and use it as a daily driver.
This. Boxsters are cheap. Even less than $15K if you are okay with an older one. I see them for $5-8k.

Remember, it's a lightweight mid engined sports car with a H6 motor. It also is a special car, just not unique. Weight, depending on year, is well less than 3,000 lbs.

More comfortable than a Lotus.
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We had this discussion about the 2005 Elise with 25K on it. Porsche came up too. We don't drive it on rainy days and it's a garage queen. But still the most fun car and for now it wins.
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Drive the car! It was meant and made for your enjoyment. It does nothing just sitting in your garage.
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It is a bit beyond me to think of not driving it in the rain.

It's water. Car is easily washable.

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It is a bit beyond me to think of not driving it in the rain.

It's water. Car is easily washable.
I've also found the Elise to be an awesome driver in the rain; there shouldn't be any concern about driving it in the rain. For best acceleration, the car needs to have a limited slip diff, though.
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