Carshop wrecked my car, need advice... - Page 2 - LotusTalk

luxige · 11-18-2009, 08:21 PM

IMO, you need to post another "Need a repair shop" thread. Whether by negligence or honest error, they should lose they chance for your business. And this repair is 'business' for them; even though it would be out-of-pocket, they'd be saving a lot by keeping their insurer out of it. They certainly must not be trusted to determine repairability at this point.

Stuart's carries insurance for the same reason we do. Their carrier can pay your new repair shop, and yes, your diminished value claim.

Wasabi · 11-18-2009, 09:55 PM

Pfft frame damage or not, mine was declared totaled from just the clam+crash structure. You have to keep in mind diminished value and other crap, it's really all a pain

I would push to have the car totaled, just get another one. I ended up actually saving $ this way (used ones are cheap now). Besides, you don't really want one that's been compromised now, do you? You shouldn't end up with the short end of the stick, that just isn't right.

Good luck, oh and make sure your insurance co. includes the value of any options the car had on it, mine neglected to add them at first and I got it bumped up another ~3k

rob13572468 · 11-18-2009, 11:52 PM

very doubtful that the frame is damaged... more of the clam would be damaged at the sides if it was or one of the wheels would have to hit. This looks like its head on..... Either way the crash structure is done so thats going to need to be replaced and thats going to be expensive.

The shop might want to do the work on thier dime which wouldnt cost them as much even doing it the proper way. I would say let the shop fix the car and tell them that you want it fixed perfectly. Accidents do happen and while it totally sucks that you were unlucky enough to be the one it happened to, they do occur and it doesnt mean that the shop is necessarily bad; its all about how they resolve the problem which will determine whether they are as good as everyone says.

Incidentally my guess is not that anyone was out hot-dogging in the car but rather they guy was styling along and checking out girls looking at the car rather than looking in front like they should have been...

serpent · 11-19-2009, 03:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aedo

I probably wouldn't take this tack... did you see the state of it when it went into the shop

It looked a but like this!

Aedo, no i didnt see that thread

. You know what i meant though, if i take my car to a shop to be fixed and they break it some more to the point where it might've messed up the frame....i do not want any part of it. Then again, thats just me and how i am. I personally do not like to drive a car thats been in a wreck, maybe i'm just weird

DeepAmpeg · 11-19-2009, 05:35 AM

What the heck are they doing driving it to an alignment shop. Any transportation from one shop to another should be done on a flat bed. 100% chance no one will be joy riding anything. Its stories like this that make me do my own repairs unless I dont have the tooling to do so. IF they are really a reputable place they will do everything they can to get your car back to you in excellent condition. Should have no problem getting you a rental. At this point they should be bending over backwards for you.

kverges · 11-19-2009, 07:40 AM

A lot of us know Stuart and he has a significant reputation to uphold. PM me if you get stuck, but he should offer and is legally obligated to at least cover all repairs, pay for diminished value, and loss of use. For the latter, make it clear you want a nice, comparable sports car, not a rental Camry. I'd suggest that he get you into a replacement car right away and it is his problem to repair and sell your (his at that point) vehicle, although legally all you can do is get $ for your damages.

If he gives you any grief at all, let me know.

As for alignment, odd that was not done on-site. I string-align my own car and it is super easy on the Elise.

I think I saw your car at RUF, now that I think about it, and in passing they said it was in for control arm and alignment

Nathan · 11-19-2009, 08:57 AM

kverges, thank you very much. Yes, RUF found additional control arm damage when they were doing alignment and fixed that as well. I have no doubt Stuart will do the right thing. Ill will have my own mechanic inspect the car though, just to be sure everything is replaced with new parts if its damaged. If theres frame/structure damage, I'm not going to take the car back. I already mentioned loss of use to him, and he said hes never heard of it

man this sucks

serpent · 11-19-2009, 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nathan

I already mentioned loss of use to him, and he said hes never heard of it

Tell him that he better learn real fast what loss of use is...

Tr4 · 11-19-2009, 09:28 AM

sorry to hear about the wreck.. must be something in a lexus suv because Ive been hit by one, and chased by one on seperate occaisons. Took mine to John Eagle though. not stuarts

mjf · 11-19-2009, 10:31 AM

Let us know what their insurance company says. (And make sure it's on their insurance, not yours).

I'm thinking they might go with totaled, which would be your best option. =/

fonzi337 · 11-19-2009, 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nathan

took it to a RUF shop for the alignment, so wasnt real close - but not really to far. accident happened near the shop. There is a police report, Im tracking it down...

Sounds like a good idea...I'd be interested in hearing what the Lexus SUV driver's perspective is on the accident...

So sorry this happened to you. Maybe it's for the best. Call it totaled and get a new one with no crash damage.

zygotesoup · 11-19-2009, 11:44 AM

so... did the previous owner mention that this car is cursed before he sold it to you? This is the third thread about body damage on this car

Nathan · 11-19-2009, 12:36 PM

3rd? This is 2nd. 1st was me, 2nd being car shop.

designer · 11-19-2009, 04:09 PM

If you have your insurance claim this it may show up on your CARFAX when you list it for sale which = loss in value.

This really sucks!

cuttingedge99 · 11-19-2009, 04:58 PM

sorry to hear about your loss.
hope it works out for you.
my opinion is to see what Stuart's offers you first... if you are not happy, maybe try your insurance company - since you already reported it to your insurance company, would it hurt to ask them for more advice?
if you are still not happy, i have found that a $500 letter from a lawyer tends to make people and companies listen more carefully to what you have to say
although I think lawsuits themselves are not very effective
good luck!!!

ACE51 · 11-19-2009, 06:01 PM

something similar to this happened at a local dealership here in greensboro. except they took the car to the alignment shop and the alignment shop wrecked it. the car was totaled. the alignment shop had to pay for a new murcielago.

check this out:

Lamborghini Owner Finds Humor in Crash

Nathan · 11-19-2009, 06:33 PM

Do you have the full news article somewhere?

Quote:

Originally Posted by ACE51

something similar to this happened at a local dealership here in greensboro. except they took the car to the alignment shop and the alignment shop wrecked it. the car was totaled. the alignment shop had to pay for a new murcielago.

check this out:

Lamborghini Owner Finds Humor in Crash

Noisycow · 11-19-2009, 06:43 PM

Now that is a Lambo owner with a sense of humor!

ACE51 · 11-19-2009, 07:31 PM

Photos: Lamborghini wrecks in Greensboro : News-Record.com : Greensboro & the Triad's most trusted source for local news and analysis

RENDERMAN · 11-20-2009, 03:42 AM

For what I see on the pictures, there's no frame damage.

11-18-2009, 08:21 PM	#21 (permalink)
luxige luxige Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: MA Posts: 1,237	IMO, you need to post another "Need a repair shop" thread. Whether by negligence or honest error, they should lose they chance for your business. And this repair is 'business' for them; even though it would be out-of-pocket, they'd be saving a lot by keeping their insurer out of it. They certainly must not be trusted to determine repairability at this point. Stuart's carries insurance for the same reason we do. Their carrier can pay your new repair shop, and yes, your diminished value claim. __________________ In theory, there is no difference between Theory and Practice. In practice, there is. - Y. Berra

11-19-2009, 10:31 AM	#30 (permalink)
mjf elf Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Bellevue, WA Posts: 1,445	Let us know what their insurance company says. (And make sure it's on their insurance, not yours). I'm thinking they might go with totaled, which would be your best option. =/ __________________ 2007 Elise Type 72D #6 of 50

11-19-2009, 11:44 AM	#32 (permalink)
zygotesoup Resident Drunk Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 1,297	so... did the previous owner mention that this car is cursed before he sold it to you? This is the third thread about body damage on this car __________________ 2005 BADA55 Lotus Elise 1993 Black BMW 325i 2000 Solar Yellow MR-S - SOLD 1987 White on White Porsche 944 Turbo - SOLD 1993 Maroon Lexus SC400 - SOLD

11-19-2009, 04:09 PM	#34 (permalink)
designer luv my gut Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Connecticut Posts: 338	If you have your insurance claim this it may show up on your CARFAX when you list it for sale which = loss in value. This really sucks! __________________ PRESENT: 2009 C63 AMG Black PAST: 2005 Saffron Yellow, 2008 Mini Cooper S, 98 Panoz Roadster, '00 C5 Corvette, '98 Viper GTS Coupe, '88 911 Turbo, BMW M3, '95 911 Coupe.

11-19-2009, 06:01 PM	#36 (permalink)
ACE51 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Summerfield, NC Posts: 843	something similar to this happened at a local dealership here in greensboro. except they took the car to the alignment shop and the alignment shop wrecked it. the car was totaled. the alignment shop had to pay for a new murcielago. check this out: Lamborghini Owner Finds Humor in Crash __________________ 06 Exige CO BWRized 05 Civic "Special Edition" 05 Elise CO, Trim shop interior and other things...SOLD

11-18-2009, 09:55 PM	#22 (permalink)
Wasabi Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Location: San Ramon, CA Posts: 457	Pfft frame damage or not, mine was declared totaled from just the clam+crash structure. You have to keep in mind diminished value and other crap, it's really all a pain I would push to have the car totaled, just get another one. I ended up actually saving $ this way (used ones are cheap now). Besides, you don't really want one that's been compromised now, do you? You shouldn't end up with the short end of the stick, that just isn't right. Good luck, oh and make sure your insurance co. includes the value of any options the car had on it, mine neglected to add them at first and I got it bumped up another ~3k

11-18-2009, 11:52 PM	#23 (permalink)
rob13572468 the devil's advocate... Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: chicago Posts: 926	very doubtful that the frame is damaged... more of the clam would be damaged at the sides if it was or one of the wheels would have to hit. This looks like its head on..... Either way the crash structure is done so thats going to need to be replaced and thats going to be expensive. The shop might want to do the work on thier dime which wouldnt cost them as much even doing it the proper way. I would say let the shop fix the car and tell them that you want it fixed perfectly. Accidents do happen and while it totally sucks that you were unlucky enough to be the one it happened to, they do occur and it doesnt mean that the shop is necessarily bad; its all about how they resolve the problem which will determine whether they are as good as everyone says. Incidentally my guess is not that anyone was out hot-dogging in the car but rather they guy was styling along and checking out girls looking at the car rather than looking in front like they should have been...

11-19-2009, 05:35 AM	#25 (permalink)
DeepAmpeg Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Springfield, Vermont Posts: 118	What the heck are they doing driving it to an alignment shop. Any transportation from one shop to another should be done on a flat bed. 100% chance no one will be joy riding anything. Its stories like this that make me do my own repairs unless I dont have the tooling to do so. IF they are really a reputable place they will do everything they can to get your car back to you in excellent condition. Should have no problem getting you a rental. At this point they should be bending over backwards for you.

11-19-2009, 07:40 AM	#26 (permalink)
kverges Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Dallas Posts: 988	A lot of us know Stuart and he has a significant reputation to uphold. PM me if you get stuck, but he should offer and is legally obligated to at least cover all repairs, pay for diminished value, and loss of use. For the latter, make it clear you want a nice, comparable sports car, not a rental Camry. I'd suggest that he get you into a replacement car right away and it is his problem to repair and sell your (his at that point) vehicle, although legally all you can do is get $ for your damages. If he gives you any grief at all, let me know. As for alignment, odd that was not done on-site. I string-align my own car and it is super easy on the Elise. I think I saw your car at RUF, now that I think about it, and in passing they said it was in for control arm and alignment

11-19-2009, 08:57 AM	#27 (permalink)
Nathan Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 184	kverges, thank you very much. Yes, RUF found additional control arm damage when they were doing alignment and fixed that as well. I have no doubt Stuart will do the right thing. Ill will have my own mechanic inspect the car though, just to be sure everything is replaced with new parts if its damaged. If theres frame/structure damage, I'm not going to take the car back. I already mentioned loss of use to him, and he said hes never heard of it man this sucks

11-19-2009, 09:28 AM	#29 (permalink)
Tr4 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Fort Worth, Tx Posts: 74	sorry to hear about the wreck.. must be something in a lexus suv because Ive been hit by one, and chased by one on seperate occaisons. Took mine to John Eagle though. not stuarts

11-19-2009, 12:36 PM	#33 (permalink)
Nathan Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 184	3rd? This is 2nd. 1st was me, 2nd being car shop.

11-19-2009, 04:58 PM	#35 (permalink)
cuttingedge99 Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 13	sorry to hear about your loss. hope it works out for you. my opinion is to see what Stuart's offers you first... if you are not happy, maybe try your insurance company - since you already reported it to your insurance company, would it hurt to ask them for more advice? if you are still not happy, i have found that a $500 letter from a lawyer tends to make people and companies listen more carefully to what you have to say although I think lawsuits themselves are not very effective good luck!!!

11-19-2009, 06:43 PM	#38 (permalink)
Noisycow Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,497	Now that is a Lambo owner with a sense of humor!

11-19-2009, 07:31 PM	#39 (permalink)
ACE51 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Summerfield, NC Posts: 843	Photos: Lamborghini wrecks in Greensboro : News-Record.com : Greensboro & the Triad's most trusted source for local news and analysis __________________ 06 Exige CO BWRized 05 Civic "Special Edition" 05 Elise CO, Trim shop interior and other things...SOLD

11-20-2009, 03:42 AM	#40 (permalink)
RENDERMAN Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: 305 Posts: 1,044 Images: 6	For what I see on the pictures, there's no frame damage. __________________ WILL.I.AM It's not how fast it can go. It's how your heart beats in a few seconds..... -Tony Baker Adobe Photoshop CS4 Certified Instructor Check out my work, Site under construction... http://www.wilsart.com/

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