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Old 01-09-2007, 01:40 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Elise Engine Reliability (Rover Vs Toyota)

I am looking at 2 second has Elises at the moment here in Ireland.

One is an 02 Elise (K Series, 130BHP) with 24K miles on the clock looking 26K.

The other is an 04 Elise 111R (Toyota Engine, 189BHP) with 15K on the clock looking 40K.

In terms of reliablity has there been any issues with the K Series Rover Engine compared to the Toyota Engine.

The 111R has the Toyota engine and also has 189BHP which is what I would love. However the 02 K Series is alot cheaper. Not sure what to do?
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Old 01-09-2007, 01:48 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Some of us here in the US, given the choice, would go for the lighter car. However, there is also many of us that enjoy the HP too much to go with a lower HP car.

Given the choice, I would personally go with the less expensive 02. I bought my Elise for the handling, not the raw speed.

Now, that didn't answer the question at all did it. The reason, I don't know. We never got the earlier Elise here in the US.
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Old 01-09-2007, 01:54 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Thanks for the reply

The extra 59BHP is very tempting.

The 02 K Series is 130BHP

The 111S Elise has 160 BHP

And the 111R Elise has 189BHP.

Not sure if 130BHP will have much of a punch. Although given the power to weight ratio it may be quite nifty.

Thanks for the reply.
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Really depends on what you are looking for. The 130 HP car won't be jumping off the line like the car looks like it should, but the weight will make the turns feel snappier, I'd think. Isn't it something like 150Kg lighter?
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Really depends on what you are looking for. The 130 HP car won't be jumping off the line like the car looks like it should, but the weight will make the turns feel snappier, I'd think. Isn't it something like 150Kg lighter?

Are you saying the the old K Series Elise is lighter than the new 111S and 111R Elises?
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Are you saying the the old K Series Elise is lighter than the new 111S and 111R Elises?
Oh yeah, it is lighter, I just can't remember how much so. The 111S is probably lighter than the Fed Elise, but the older K series is certainly lighter.

Here's a page with specs:

http://www.carpages.co.uk/lotus/lotu...n_24_10_02.asp

The Fed Elise is about 900 Kg. depending on options.
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European elise 111r is about 860 kg fully tanked. A Rover engined elise would be about 100kg less than that.

Having said that, visit seloc and do a search for rover reliability....mine never gave me any trouble but HGF (head gasket failure) was, lets say, not unheard of......
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European elise 111r is about 860 kg fully tanked. A Rover engined elise would be about 100kg less than that.

Having said that, visit seloc and do a search for rover reliability....mine never gave me any trouble but HGF (head gasket failure) was, lets say, not unheard of......
So you had the 130BHP model?

Was it failry nifty so given that it was lighter even though it was only 130BHP.

How long to get from 0-60MPH?
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I have had my 340R (K Engine.. but 190HP).. I would personally go with Toyota engine... Maybe it's something to do with me being in Japan and having so many aftermarket parts available. But also to do with the situation with Rover. The reliability is not compareble to a Toyota engine. the difference in price is just too much, though.. for that price I guess I would go with the Rover one.. I guess it's little different as you can get parts readily in the UK.
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So you had the 130BHP model?

Was it failry nifty so given that it was lighter even though it was only 130BHP.

How long to get from 0-60MPH?
The car was quick...0-60 in 5.7 sec i think was the quoted time. It handled better out of the box than the s2. (not sure if you are looking at a rover engined s1 or s2)

But by the middle/end of third gear it started to run out of puff. In my Exige S its up into 5th before that starts to happen..........

I would get the Toyota engined car if you can. You then have many engine upgrdes available for the future, FF, Bemani etc
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I have had my 340R (K Engine.. but 190HP).. I would personally go with Toyota engine... Maybe it's something to do with me being in Japan and having so many aftermarket parts available. But also to do with the situation with Rover. The reliability is not compareble to a Toyota engine. the difference in price is just too much, though.. for that price I guess I would go with the Rover one.. I guess it's little different as you can get parts readily in the UK.
I agree with this and I doubt that any weight difference will not make up for the 30% reduction in horsepower vs. the toyota plant. Strictly on reliability I think hands down it's the Toyota... My family has owned 6 and all have gone over 200,000 miles with minimal expense (new clutches around 175K). Rovers are constantly on the list of most repaired cars.
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how much does the one with the rover engine weigh?
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the federal elise is 0-60 in 4.7 with sport pack. so a full second quicker??? i'd buy the toyota 111R. there is no substitute for power.
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the federal elise is 0-60 in 4.7 with sport pack. so a full second quicker??? i'd buy the toyota 111R. there is no substitute for power.
i never thought id hear a lotus owner say that
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Toyota = bulletproof.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_ZZ_engine#2ZZ-GE


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rover_K-Series_engine
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i never thought id hear a lotus owner say that
Well, ideally, less weight AND more power.
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Yup. 225hp and 1540 lbs
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Yup. 225hp and 1540 lbs
can you make it bigger?
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Well, ideally, less weight AND more power.
this is true.
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I'll take the 02 elise and use the 14k pounds savings to put a K20a motor in it.
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