Merriam Webster weighs in on Lotus Plural - LotusTalk - The Lotus Cars Community
 
LotusTalk.com is the premier Lotus Forum on the internet. Registered Users do not see the above ads.
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 08-09-2008, 07:14 AM   #1 (permalink)
Registered User
 
JoshS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Valencia, CA
Posts: 2,105
Merriam Webster weighs in on Lotus Plural

We are having a discussion on a automobile forum as to the correct spelling for the plural of Lotus. Some of us use Lotus, some use Lotuses, 3 use Loti. Lotus is an British car manufacturer. The founder asked that the plural be Lotus. A recent letter from the factory states they wish the plural to be Lotus. Some of us say it doesn't matter what they want, it has to do with the accepted spelling of Lotus and not it's meaning. Which is the correct spelling?

Sincerely,
Josh Schreider

We do not usually enter regular plurals in our dictionary, only irregular
ones like "fish" or "foci." "Lotuses" is the generally accepted plural of
"lotus," so I would say that it should also be applied to the car.
Furthermore, it doesn't seem awkward to say "We both own Lotuses," as one
would say "We both own Fords," which means it wouldn't catch too many
people's attention as being wrong.

Sincerely,
Benjamin Korzec
Associate Editor


Of course Tim still won't except this. I have a letter from the Italian president saying we should spell Venice, Venezia like they do. So should we also change that? If you go back and read my posts, this is what I said, it has to do with usage over the years, (catch too many people's attention). If we all used Lotus, yes then Webster would put in a footnote as being acceptable. Even if it's a totally made up word with a made up plural, if enough people change the plural OR continually spell it in a different manor that becomes an accepted variation.
__________________
'06 Elise: Phantom Black, Touring, Starshield, Powder Coated Black Wheels,
'11 Evora S: Phantom black, '14 Jaguar F type silver
JoshS is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 08-09-2008, 07:20 AM   #2 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Trainwreck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Mesa AZ
Posts: 1,527
So- Lotuses is the correct plural...good to know. I probably would have gone with "Lotus" and made a complete fool of myself!!! Thank you for the educational info. I don't see how Tim can dispute it now...
__________________
Women who behave rarely make history!!!

Katherine
Trainwreck is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-09-2008, 07:23 AM   #3 (permalink)
Registered User
 
JoshS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Valencia, CA
Posts: 2,105
Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainwreck View Post
I don't see how Tim can dispute it now...
Watch this!

Let's see I have to find the magic words... Double, double, toil and trouble, fire burn and caldron bubble. Lotus schmotus, dominotus, come forward, come forward and eat some Crowtus. We implore you, oh, Tim the Great, Tim the all Seeing, Tim the all Knowing, Tim the all Hearing, Tim the impotent...I mean the Omnipotent. Come out of from the bowels of the Forum and give us your latest Lotus, proposterous plural pontification.
__________________
'06 Elise: Phantom Black, Touring, Starshield, Powder Coated Black Wheels,
'11 Evora S: Phantom black, '14 Jaguar F type silver

Last edited by JoshS; 08-09-2008 at 08:20 AM.
JoshS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-09-2008, 08:06 AM   #4 (permalink)
Registered User
 
BatmobileS240's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Bay Area, CA
Posts: 566
BatmobileS240 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-09-2008, 08:09 AM   #5 (permalink)
Registered User
 
DeanG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 1,790
There were lots of Lotus at LOG.
DeanG is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-09-2008, 08:13 AM   #6 (permalink)
Registered User
 
carlover's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Bristol, TN
Posts: 1,380
I feel like I'm reading news from The Onion.
carlover is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-09-2008, 08:55 AM   #7 (permalink)
www.theapexinn.com
 
kestrel74's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Watkins Glen, NY
Posts: 11,589
The Onion Movie was great ( even though I don't eat them )
__________________
Elise #2292 / CO / Starshield / Nitron Sport SA / RTDbrace / Uprights machined / Down Low rails / DBA 4000 Wiper Slot Rotors/ V1 / SS lines w/Pagid Black / G-Pan / Odyssey PC680 with RLS Bracket / Difflow 5 Element diffuser / Stebel Nautilus horn
www.theapexinn.com www.apex-inn.com
" I started flying when Sex was safe and Hang Gliding was dangerous "
kestrel74 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-09-2008, 08:57 AM   #8 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Patricko's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Huntington Beach, CA
Posts: 6,293
Quote:
Originally Posted by JoshS View Post
The founder asked that the plural be Lotus. A recent letter from the factory states they wish the plural to be Lotus.
I stopped reading there

__________________
Providing an opportunity for others to live vicariously through me since 2004
Patricko is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-09-2008, 09:03 AM   #9 (permalink)
BANNED
 
SweetDaddyD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: ATL, GA
Posts: 7,592
Images: 2
Who ya gonna listen to? An associate editor at Webster, or Colin Chapman.

If I would thought about it I would of asked Clive Chapman at Log 28. lol.

Actually I don't really care that much, but i am entertained by the debate about it.

I like Loti myself, but usually say Lotus. As in: "At LOG 28 over 200 Lotus cars were present"
SweetDaddyD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-09-2008, 09:07 AM   #10 (permalink)
Registered User
 
BatmobileS240's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Bay Area, CA
Posts: 566
In your statement, Lotus had to be singular since you pluralized "cars"

You could, however, say, "At LOG 28 over 200 Lotus were present."

Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetDaddyD View Post
Who ya gonna listen to? An associate editor at Webster, or Colin Chapman.

If I would thought about it I would of asked Clive Chapman at Log 28. lol.

Actually I don't really care that much, but i am entertained by the debate about it.

I like Loti myself, but usually say Lotus. As in: "At LOG 28 over 200 Lotus cars were present"
BatmobileS240 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-09-2008, 09:09 AM   #11 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Joecooool's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Duck Key Florida
Posts: 755
I'll just stick to calling them cars.
Joecooool is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-09-2008, 09:21 AM   #12 (permalink)
Registered User
 
mopho's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: out of a suitcase- my stuff lives in LA
Posts: 5,697
Quote:
Originally Posted by JoshS View Post
Watch this!

Let's see I have to find the magic words... Double, double, toil and trouble, fire burn and caldron bubble. Lotus schmotus, dominotus, come forward, come forward and eat some Crowtus. We implore you, oh, Tim the Great, Tim the all Seeing, Tim the all Knowing, Tim the all Hearing, Tim the impotent...I mean the Omnipotent. Come out of from the bowels of the Forum and give us your latest Lotus, proposterous plural pontification.


Wrong approach. Try this:
Touring wheels!


There, that should do it
__________________
________________
2004 Caterham 7 Superlight R -
67 Lotus Elan (sold)

www.morgansegal.com
mopho is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-09-2008, 09:25 AM   #13 (permalink)
Registered User
 
...m...'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 2,731
Quote:
Originally Posted by noobified View Post
In your statement, Lotus had to be singular since you pluralized "cars"
...actually, it's neither and conveniently sidesteps the issue entirely by using lotus as an adjective rather than as a noun...
...m... is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-09-2008, 09:32 AM   #14 (permalink)
Registered User
 
nvrblu's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Mesa, AZ
Posts: 3,393
I've seen "Lotuses" used in the magazine from Lotus. I personally prefer "Lotus cars".
__________________
Steve -- '05 Laser Blue, Biscuit, Sport/Touring, Starshield
nvrblu is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-09-2008, 09:36 AM   #15 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Bedford, NY
Posts: 6,301
Another silly argument between two sides trying to decide which has the larger peni
__________________
2011 M3 convertible

Previous car #2 - 2008 Elise SC Ardent Red - Touring, Sport, Starshield (found a new home)

Previous car #1 - 2005 Elise Saffron Yellow (totaled in flood- the original underwater elise)
ivan1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-09-2008, 09:51 AM   #16 (permalink)
Registered User
 
knucklehead's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Bend, OR
Posts: 3,958
I have to agree with Tim and Patricko. It's the difference between what is the standard practice and what is correct. Webster seems to have there head up their arses or is it arse?
knucklehead is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-09-2008, 10:03 AM   #17 (permalink)
Registered User
 
mopho's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: out of a suitcase- my stuff lives in LA
Posts: 5,697
Well what is correct? I would guess that Lotus wants it said one way because it is about branding and name recognition, but that doesn't necessarily mean they get supersede proper english.

Lotus cars =
Lotuses =
Loti =
__________________
________________
2004 Caterham 7 Superlight R -
67 Lotus Elan (sold)

www.morgansegal.com
mopho is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-09-2008, 10:06 AM   #18 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Cardinal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Metro North Boston
Posts: 4,713
Images: 14
Tim is too smart to fall into this trap.
__________________
the1sen: why move forward with design when you can recreate a monstrosity from the past?
FIL: Have you ever heard of a threesome? I know its her sister, but they are Swedish. That $hit is totally accepted over there.
Cardinal is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-09-2008, 10:09 AM   #19 (permalink)
Registered User
 
rb26dett's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 179
who cares...let's see more pics of Madisyn.
rb26dett is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-09-2008, 10:31 AM   #20 (permalink)
Registered User
 
knucklehead's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Bend, OR
Posts: 3,958
Quote:
Originally Posted by mopho View Post
Well what is correct? I would guess that Lotus wants it said one way because it is about branding and name recognition, but that doesn't necessarily mean they get supersede proper english.

Lotus cars =
Lotuses =
Loti =
I don't think it supersedes proper English. There is certainly precedent of words being the same for both singular and plural uses.

Look at the deer grazing on my front yard.
This sentence could mean both a single deer or a herd of deer in the yard.
knucklehead is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

  LotusTalk - The Lotus Cars Community > Lotus Discussions > General Discussion (Lotus related)



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 07:52 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.2
Garage Plus vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.