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lotusport · 05-11-2008, 02:08 PM

Feeling especially ignorant here.

I cannot find torque specs for our cars. I've found some of the scattered info such as the torque for the wheel bolts and the toe links, but where is the information for all the various fasteners on the car? I can't even find the torque specs for spark plugs for heaven's sake.

I've already searched the technical section of the Forum. I've searched the owner's manual, service notes, and parts manuals. I'm willing to admit to being half-blind some days, but I'm at a total loss with this. Any help out there?

RacyTracy · 05-11-2008, 02:27 PM

I didn't notice one thread for all.....but I did an advanced search, titles only and entered 'torque'.....I came up with 51 threads for various parts on the car. Maybe it was your calling to organize them all into one thread.....and ask them to make it a 'Sticky'.

On second thought.....add it to the 'Uberpost'.

MattG · 05-11-2008, 08:36 PM

I posted a summary of the front and rear suspension in this thread:
Check your toe link!

Generally, this information is scattered throughout the service manuals.

glb · 05-11-2008, 08:43 PM

bob -

are you saying that you downloaded the service manual from Lotus for $25 and that info isn't in there?

lotusport · 05-12-2008, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by glb

bob -

are you saying that you downloaded the service manual from Lotus for $25 and that info isn't in there?

Ayup. There're Sections TDP and TDQ, neither of which have any torque specs (despite being titled Technical Data). There are measurement data, capacities, size, materials of construction, wattage, degrees, gear ratios, fuel consumption, etc., but torque specs there are none.

There is Section OI, Maintenance and Lubrication, which details intervals and service times, even, but no specification data for any maintenance. Total of 25 sections but not a squeak about fastener torque specs. Ditto the owner's manual except for the two things I've noted. They say to have the dealer's service change sparking plugs, fer heaven's sake!

Wah, wah, wah.

apk919 · 05-12-2008, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by lotusport

Ayup. There're Sections TDP and TDQ, neither of which have any torque specs (despite being titled Technical Data). There are measurement data, capacities, size, materials of construction, wattage, degrees, gear ratios, fuel consumption, etc., but torque specs there are none.

There is Section OI, Maintenance and Lubrication, which details intervals and service times, even, but no specification data for any maintenance. Total of 25 sections but not a squeak about fastener torque specs. Ditto the owner's manual except for the two things I've noted. They say to have the dealer's service change sparking plugs, fer heaven's sake!

Wah, wah, wah.

Lotus' service manual doesn't have a lot of engine and powertrain data. They refer to the Toyota manual for the 2ZZ engine. If I'm not mistaken it's available for download from the same site as the Lotus Service Manual.

Some torque specs don't seem to have been published at all (i.e. seat rail bolts, undertray and diffuser bolts, etc.)

TimMullen · 05-12-2008, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by apk919

Lotus' service manual doesn't have a lot of engine and powertrain data. They refer to the Toyota manual for the 2ZZ engine. If I'm not mistaken it's available for download from the same site as the Lotus Service Manual.

No, it's not available from Lotus - at least not on line as they are Toyota manuals.

There is a sticky in the maintenance section however that has a link to the Toyota Manuals, including a "bootleg" copy from the Celica forum...

Engine torque specs should be in there.

glb · 05-12-2008, 06:07 PM

lotusport -

I downloaded the entire corolla xrs manuals from a web site I found on Ltalk.

It was a giant PITA as I had to click on every SUB chapter. It took two days off/on and $10 or $20/day.

I have an XRS, so was worth it.

I can't email you this stuff, as it seems illegal/immoral, but if there is something specific I can help with, please ask.

Note that many times one can use the size of the bolt as a guide. In fact, these guides are often published in the shop manuals. Spark plugs are good examples; they all get about the same amt of torque.

Every car I've had in yrs had the same lug nut tq. (NOT the Elan.)

lotusport · 05-13-2008, 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TimMullen

No, it's not available from Lotus - at least not on line as they are Toyota manuals.

There is a sticky in the maintenance section however that has a link to the Toyota Manuals, including a "bootleg" copy from the Celica forum...

Engine torque specs should be in there.

Thanks, Tim -

As usual, you're the answer man for all things Elise! I found the bootleg manual -- all 1154 pages of it. Even better, one poster in their (Engine System Info - NewCelica.org Forum) maintenance section has a number of small 2-8 page "articles," one of which is the attached.

Very simple: "Using a 16 mm (0.63 in.) plug wrench, install the spark plugs. Torque: 18 Nm (184 kg.cm, 13 ft.lb)"

05-11-2008, 02:08 PM	#1 (permalink)
lotusport On my 8th Lotus Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 1,004	OK, I Surrender... Feeling especially ignorant here. I cannot find torque specs for our cars. I've found some of the scattered info such as the torque for the wheel bolts and the toe links, but where is the information for all the various fasteners on the car? I can't even find the torque specs for spark plugs for heaven's sake. I've already searched the technical section of the Forum. I've searched the owner's manual, service notes, and parts manuals. I'm willing to admit to being half-blind some days, but I'm at a total loss with this. Any help out there? __________________ Best regards, Bob _____________________ lotusport@gmail.com *Talent and humility don't always park in the same garage.*

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RacyTracy I'm on vacation!!!!!!!! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Palatine, IL Posts: 5,940	I didn't notice one thread for all.....but I did an advanced search, titles only and entered 'torque'.....I came up with 51 threads for various parts on the car. Maybe it was your calling to organize them all into one thread.....and ask them to make it a 'Sticky'. On second thought.....add it to the 'Uberpost'. Last edited by RacyTracy : 05-11-2008 at 02:37 PM.

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05-11-2008, 08:43 PM	#4 (permalink)
glb Unattractive Nuisance Join Date: May 2005 Location: Chester, NJ Posts: 2,741	bob - are you saying that you downloaded the service manual from Lotus for $25 and that info isn't in there? __________________ 05 elise (PES chip, SSRs, Sirius, shift tower reinforcement, Multivex; HID low beams) 05 Corolla XRS; 72 Elan Sprint, 170 hp (Sold) "I can resist anything except temptation" O. Wilde. "Political language is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable." G. Orwell, 1946.

05-12-2008, 06:07 PM	#8 (permalink)
glb Unattractive Nuisance Join Date: May 2005 Location: Chester, NJ Posts: 2,741	lotusport - I downloaded the entire corolla xrs manuals from a web site I found on Ltalk. It was a giant PITA as I had to click on every SUB chapter. It took two days off/on and $10 or $20/day. I have an XRS, so was worth it. I can't email you this stuff, as it seems illegal/immoral, but if there is something specific I can help with, please ask. Note that many times one can use the size of the bolt as a guide. In fact, these guides are often published in the shop manuals. Spark plugs are good examples; they all get about the same amt of torque. Every car I've had in yrs had the same lug nut tq. (NOT the Elan.) __________________ 05 elise (PES chip, SSRs, Sirius, shift tower reinforcement, Multivex; HID low beams) 05 Corolla XRS; 72 Elan Sprint, 170 hp (Sold) "I can resist anything except temptation" O. Wilde. "Political language is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable." G. Orwell, 1946.

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