Spyker and Lotus dating again - LotusTalk

wallabyguy · 05-13-2008, 06:03 AM

http://www.pistonheads.com/news/defa...?storyId=18041

Cegan09 · 05-13-2008, 08:14 AM

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Spyker and Lotus have now come to the conclusion that they need to intensify their cooperation to the point that we intend to share parts and platforms, as well as an agreement on the supply of parts.

Does this mean that the two companies would share the platform that cars are built on? meaning that both companies would have cars built on the same base car with their own differences. sorry if its a stupid question, i'm just trying to understand what the agreement means, and how much will be shared.

Cali · 05-13-2008, 08:21 AM

Very cool news! Maybe Lotus can take some cues re: interior design from them!

John · 05-13-2008, 08:25 AM

I sure hope Lotus doesn't take any designing cues from Spyker - I think they're one of the most hideous cars ever to be produced.

Cardinal · 05-13-2008, 08:30 AM

It looks like Spyker showed up at Lotus' loft and awkwardly handed her some flowers. Lotus then gave Spyker the grand tour around the place. The cat took a swipe at Spyker's eyes. "Yeah, he'll do that sometimes." Lotus said. Then she showed off a lame box of bamboo sticks she bought at Pier One Imports. "I'm not sure what they mean, but they look nice." she said. She then suggested the two go to Sluggo's Tavern where her friends were laying in wait to judge Spyker from across the room. "Oh, look! My friends are here! What a surprise!" Lotus then spent the next hour and a half talking to her friends and giggling at inside jokes, while Spyker stood outside the circle. After paying the tab for her and her friends, Spyker bites his tongue as Lotus decides she needs to go back to her friend's house because "We haven't seen each other in ages. I'll call you, OK? Bye!"

The two were never seen together again.

wallabyguy · 05-13-2008, 08:31 AM

Lotus has been marketing their VVA architecture for years now. The Elise chassis is being used by several companies. The technology by a few more. If you assume that the VVA architecture will underpin the new Esprit, based on manufacturing numbers, it would make sense if Lotus was able to share the cost with Spyker who would build their own car off the platform. Also note, that dispite what has been reported, the Elise architecture, which is not the VVA, can not easily be widened. The Eagle project is obviously a wider car thus we can assume that some derivative of the VVA is being used. Again, the more cars that use the architecture, the cheaper they are to build and develop. An extremely important concern for a small specialty comapny.

Chris Mackey · 05-13-2008, 08:37 AM

Dating usually leads to marriage, but I think this couple is incompatible for that.

Sounds more like a booty call to me.

lotustt · 05-13-2008, 09:04 AM

I agree they have been marketing their VVA architecture for years now. The new upcoming "ethos" or whatever final name is will be the first new car on this new technology and the Esprit the next. The Lotus created and designed VVA architecture is very accomodating to small, medium, large and even suv type vehicles.

andykeck · 05-13-2008, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Cali

Very cool news! Maybe Lotus can take some cues re: interior design from them!

Jesus no.

wallabyguy · 05-13-2008, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by andykeck

Jesus no.

agreed. Spyker never really did anything for me. I think tis is a great way for Lotus to have a decent income and subsidized development of future products and Spyker to final obtain chassis and handling technology its sorely needed.

FLuXeXigeS · 05-13-2008, 09:38 AM

...interesting...

mjf · 05-13-2008, 10:12 AM

Looks to me like Spyker is simply paying Lotus for some tech. Seems to be purely a business relationship. I didn't see what Lotus was getting out of it other than cash.

TorsinADoc · 05-13-2008, 10:20 AM

what is VVA?

Arno · 05-13-2008, 10:24 AM

At least both companies have one thing in common.. They are usually on the brink of financial disaster and ruin

Bye, Arno.

knucklehead · 05-13-2008, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by John

I sure hope Lotus doesn't take any designing cues from Spyker - I think they're one of the most hideous cars ever to be produced.

+1
If anything I hope Spyker takes some interior cues from Lotus. I can't stand looking at Spyker interiors. Way too blingy for my taste. Their interiors remind me of old school pimp mobiles

mopho · 05-13-2008, 11:30 AM

I think the Spykers are fabulous looking inside and out

jlj3394 · 05-13-2008, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by TorsinADoc

what is VVA?

I think it is "variable vehicle architecture" which is basically a modular chassis design that will allow Lotus to build multiple models without huge design changes - critical for a small car company. They have shopped it to other mfg's who like the idea of starting with a lightweight design.

With the EPA regs really looming, I could see them selling the VVA technology to a lot of mfgs

Praksis · 05-13-2008, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by mopho

I think the Spykers are fabulous looking inside and out

Agree, the Spykers really are gorgeous...but I also hope Lotus takes no interior design cues from them. Works great on a Spyker, wrong style for Lotus.

Bavarian Motorist · 05-13-2008, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Arno

At least both companies have one thing in common.. They are usually on the brink of financial disaster and ruin

Bye, Arno.

And both produce specialty sports cars that are simplistic and lightweight, which goes back to your point...

andrewgotanelise · 05-13-2008, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Bavarian Motorist

And both produce specialty sports cars that are simplistic and lightweight, which goes back to your point...

Um spyker doesnt make simplistic and lightweight cars.

05-13-2008, 06:03 AM	#1 (permalink)
wallabyguy Not Dead Yet Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 5,876	Spyker and Lotus dating again http://www.pistonheads.com/news/defa...?storyId=18041 __________________ former Lotus Sales Robert (aka Sith Lord of LBL) 74 Elite 502 05 Elise (Snuffalupagous..RIP : Laser Blue, Black Leather, Touring Pack, Hardtop ) The Wallaby Will Ride Again

05-13-2008, 08:21 AM	#3 (permalink)
Cali Shish Kebab Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 801	Very cool news! Maybe Lotus can take some cues re: interior design from them! __________________ "Have you ever noticed that anybody driving slower than you is an idiot, and anyone going faster than you is a maniac?" - George Carlin

05-13-2008, 08:25 AM	#4 (permalink)
John :panic: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,795	I sure hope Lotus doesn't take any designing cues from Spyker - I think they're one of the most hideous cars ever to be produced. __________________ 05 "Elixige" w/ Stuff - FOR SALE 07 Mazda 3S - 4-wheeled commuter 99 YZF-600R - 2-wheeled commuter

05-13-2008, 08:30 AM	#5 (permalink)
Cardinal Ex and future Lotus owner Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metro North Boston Posts: 4,007 Images: 8	It looks like Spyker showed up at Lotus' loft and awkwardly handed her some flowers. Lotus then gave Spyker the grand tour around the place. The cat took a swipe at Spyker's eyes. "Yeah, he'll do that sometimes." Lotus said. Then she showed off a lame box of bamboo sticks she bought at Pier One Imports. "I'm not sure what they mean, but they look nice." she said. She then suggested the two go to Sluggo's Tavern where her friends were laying in wait to judge Spyker from across the room. "Oh, look! My friends are here! What a surprise!" Lotus then spent the next hour and a half talking to her friends and giggling at inside jokes, while Spyker stood outside the circle. After paying the tab for her and her friends, Spyker bites his tongue as Lotus decides she needs to go back to her friend's house because "We haven't seen each other in ages. I'll call you, OK? Bye!" The two were never seen together again. __________________ the1sen: why move forward with design when you can recreate a monstrosity from the past?

05-13-2008, 08:31 AM	#6 (permalink)
wallabyguy Not Dead Yet Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 5,876	Lotus has been marketing their VVA architecture for years now. The Elise chassis is being used by several companies. The technology by a few more. If you assume that the VVA architecture will underpin the new Esprit, based on manufacturing numbers, it would make sense if Lotus was able to share the cost with Spyker who would build their own car off the platform. Also note, that dispite what has been reported, the Elise architecture, which is not the VVA, can not easily be widened. The Eagle project is obviously a wider car thus we can assume that some derivative of the VVA is being used. Again, the more cars that use the architecture, the cheaper they are to build and develop. An extremely important concern for a small specialty comapny. __________________ former Lotus Sales Robert (aka Sith Lord of LBL) 74 Elite 502 05 Elise (Snuffalupagous..RIP : Laser Blue, Black Leather, Touring Pack, Hardtop ) The Wallaby Will Ride Again

05-13-2008, 08:37 AM	#7 (permalink)
Chris Mackey Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 2,587	Dating usually leads to marriage, but I think this couple is incompatible for that. Sounds more like a booty call to me. __________________ 2006 Elise, Ardent Red, Black Pack, LSS wheels, shocks and springs. ChuforiaGraffix.com SDD Lives On! SweetDaddyDelicious(at)hotmail(dot)com

05-13-2008, 09:04 AM	#8 (permalink)
lotustt Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: NY Posts: 339	I agree they have been marketing their VVA architecture for years now. The new upcoming "ethos" or whatever final name is will be the first new car on this new technology and the Esprit the next. The Lotus created and designed VVA architecture is very accomodating to small, medium, large and even suv type vehicles. __________________ www.specialtycarsource.com www.onlineboatsource.com

05-13-2008, 09:38 AM	#11 (permalink)
FLuXeXigeS without a Lotus Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: SoCal/AZ/NV Posts: 4,708	...interesting... __________________ -Coi- currently having Lotus withdrawals Facebook \| Twitter \| Pics \| Vids eBay Store

05-13-2008, 10:12 AM	#12 (permalink)
mjf elf Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Bellevue, WA Posts: 1,315	Looks to me like Spyker is simply paying Lotus for some tech. Seems to be purely a business relationship. I didn't see what Lotus was getting out of it other than cash. __________________ 2007 Elise Type 72D #6 of 50

05-13-2008, 10:20 AM	#13 (permalink)
TorsinADoc Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Fayetteville, AR Posts: 508	what is VVA? __________________ http://foas.us/images/sigs/mclaren.jpg

05-13-2008, 10:24 AM	#14 (permalink)
Arno Nerd on wheels Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,044	At least both companies have one thing in common.. They are usually on the brink of financial disaster and ruin Bye, Arno. __________________ My Elise + K20A2 + TODA bits == Heaven!

05-13-2008, 11:30 AM	#16 (permalink)
mopho goofn' with the bees Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: out of a suitcase- my stuff lives in LA Posts: 5,304	I think the Spykers are fabulous looking inside and out __________________ ________________ 2004 Caterham 7 Superlight R - 67 Lotus Elan www.morgansegal.com www.socalsportscar.com

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