Tilting Clam in the Worx - LotusTalk

turbophil · 01-05-2008, 09:16 AM

Update: 8/19/08

Summary:

The kit is now on 14 different cars and functioning well.

Elise: Reports have been the installation is pretty straight forward with no issues to speak of. Tilt time is 3-5 minutes.

Exige: Requires quite a bit of additional work including designing your own solution for the lid latch, side scoops, and IC intake for the S models. Tilt time is 10-20 minutes.

Modification required to the body: Drill four holes in the floor of the boot. Nothing else of any consequence, so it's completely reversible...

Pics of cars (not mine) with tilt from within this thread:

Other items worth mentioning: The kit has everything you need to install and get the clam tilting, locked down, and relocate the battery. That said, there are so many different opinions about how to route tail light wires, alarm, third brake light with quick connects and wire extentions, etc, that you have the freedom to determine those customized solutions on your own. If you chose not to get too fancy, then the kit has everything you need along with the instructions needed to have the kit fully functional with no additional purchase.

Installation takes about a day. Instructions are complete with color pictures.

For more information, please cruise this thread and/or PM me...

Best,

Phil

Old beginning of Thread:Just a teaser for now... Woke up this morning at the crack of dawn excited to start the tilting clam project... 2 hour later, the rear clam is off... SUPER easy job with a 1/4" impact driver

That little tool makes short work out of just about anything. I was worried that I wouldn't be able to pull the clam off myself. I found out that one person can easily pull the clam off

I'll post pics of the hinges and fastening system as I get them built.

A couple notes: The system I'm designing will still have the boot lid functional, it will require about 5 minutes to get the clam ready to tilt up. A couple pins, 2 Allen head screws and 6 thumb bolts to remove. All accessible without dismantling anything...

The battery is being relocated to above the driver's side wheel. I thought about relocating to passenger side above wheel, but that's where the IC will sit before too long

Have a nice day!

Phil

darkSol · 01-05-2008, 09:31 AM

I just got off the phone with Phil... believe me he's psyched!

It's not going to weigh much of anything either!

mp3moose · 01-05-2008, 09:37 AM

Very cool. I'd be interested in this.

LotusUSA · 01-05-2008, 09:46 AM

Sounds very promising. Can't wait to see your masterpiece.

Moto44 · 01-05-2008, 09:49 AM

Can't wait to see!

goelise · 01-05-2008, 09:57 AM

Make this into a 'kit' and sell it to us Elise owners!

ZTEC · 01-05-2008, 10:57 AM

Nice - Thanks for doing this

Cegan09 · 01-05-2008, 10:59 AM

excited to see how it comes out.

CHRISN · 01-05-2008, 11:19 AM

Thanks Phil! This project is long overdue!!

Chris

cspak71 · 01-05-2008, 11:21 AM

Very cool...

Quote:

Originally Posted by turbophil

Just a teaser for now... Woke up this morning at the crack of dawn excited to start the tilting clam project... 2 hour later, the rear clam is off... SUPER easy job with a 1/4" impact driver

That little tool makes short work out of just about anything. I was worried that I wouldn't be able to pull the clam off myself. I found out that one person can easily pull the clam off

I'll post pics of the hinges and fastening system as I get them built.

A couple notes: The system I'm designing will still have the boot lid functional, it will require about 5 minutes to get the clam ready to tilt up. A couple pins, 2 Allen head screws and 6 thumb bolts to remove. All accessible without dismantling anything...

The battery is being relocated to above the driver's side wheel. I thought about relocating to passenger side above wheel, but that's where the IC will sit before too long

Have a nice day!

Phil

cspak71 · 01-05-2008, 11:22 AM

Speaking of which, is there any post that show how to take off the rear clam?

BrendanDolan · 01-05-2008, 12:13 PM

Can't wait to see the finished product!

jlj3394 · 01-05-2008, 12:35 PM

I always wondered why the battery wasn't up front in the first place. Seems to balance the car better and add trunk space.

Perhaps it was a safety/crash worthiness issue.

Good luck with the mod, I can't wait to see it at our next meeting.

Ol'Racer · 01-05-2008, 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jlj3394

I always wondered why the battery wasn't up front in the first place. Seems to balance the car better and add trunk space..

Think he means over the driver's side rear.

Phil,

How much will the hinges, screws, pins, bolts, all weigh? I hope it'll all be aluminum!

Just thought I'd prepare you for the inevitable questions.

Sounds like something I'd like to add. Nice thinking!

jim-clayton · 01-05-2008, 01:22 PM

Is it totally necessary to move the battery? Maybe an anderson plug to disconnect it before the tilt, or extended cables. Just wondering.

yeahiknowiam · 01-05-2008, 03:11 PM

Can't wait.

chapster5 · 01-05-2008, 04:19 PM

When do we get to see pics!

turbophil · 01-05-2008, 04:20 PM

I'll try to answer a couple questions, as I don't have much time to write...

-It's not absolutely necessary to move the battery, but it makes it better if you do... Cable length is just part of. Under the battery lies a great attachment point for the clam...

-Weight: It will be very light...

-We will "kit" this and make it available for sale. The final unit, like all our projects will be laser or water jet cut, p-coated, with high quality hardware...

-I'm quite certain that this will not work unless you have eliminated your rear panel. If you're wondering why, then just check out how many fasteners attach your rear panel to the clam

Don't go out and buy a rear panel elim kit to prepare though, as it will take a special unit to work with the flip-top lid...

-Will work with any exhaust as far as I can tell... but no guarantees...

- It will be pretty expensive. There's a lot to this kit, special fasteners, complicated hinge system (4 bar hinge), battery relocation, etc...

A couple things that I found about the Hypersport hinged clam. It doesn't hinge unless the wheels are off the car! It's super easy to make a hinge that works with the wheels off. If you look at any pic you see with their red elise at the track, they always remove the clam to work on it, not flip the lid. THe only pic where you can see their clam in action and tilting, there are no wheels on the car... There's nothing easy about making a hinge that is BOTH out of sight while the clam is the normal driving position and allow the clam to tilt with the wheels on the car... Finally, after the hinge work is done, there's the issue of attaching the clam back to the car well enough that you don't have anymore body flex than you had before...Also not easy...doable, but not easy...

I need to run. I'll try to get pics up when I can...

Best,

Phil

Flash G · 01-05-2008, 04:44 PM

Wow! Good luck! Can't wait to see the outcome.

**Subscribing**

.

RacyTracy · 01-05-2008, 05:13 PM

As often as these cars need to be jumped, are you planning to have some type of connectors that will be under a front access panel?

01-05-2008, 09:16 AM	#1 (permalink)
turbophil Plug Whisperer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Kansas City/ Overland Park Posts: 2,544 Images: 6	Tilting Clam in the Worx Update: 8/19/08 Summary: The kit is now on 14 different cars and functioning well. Elise: Reports have been the installation is pretty straight forward with no issues to speak of. Tilt time is 3-5 minutes. Exige: Requires quite a bit of additional work including designing your own solution for the lid latch, side scoops, and IC intake for the S models. Tilt time is 10-20 minutes. Modification required to the body: Drill four holes in the floor of the boot. Nothing else of any consequence, so it's completely reversible... Pics of cars (not mine) with tilt from within this thread: Other items worth mentioning: The kit has everything you need to install and get the clam tilting, locked down, and relocate the battery. That said, there are so many different opinions about how to route tail light wires, alarm, third brake light with quick connects and wire extentions, etc, that you have the freedom to determine those customized solutions on your own. If you chose not to get too fancy, then the kit has everything you need along with the instructions needed to have the kit fully functional with no additional purchase. Installation takes about a day. Instructions are complete with color pictures. For more information, please cruise this thread and/or PM me... Best, Phil Old beginning of Thread:Just a teaser for now... Woke up this morning at the crack of dawn excited to start the tilting clam project... 2 hour later, the rear clam is off... SUPER easy job with a 1/4" impact driver That little tool makes short work out of just about anything. I was worried that I wouldn't be able to pull the clam off myself. I found out that one person can easily pull the clam off I'll post pics of the hinges and fastening system as I get them built. A couple notes: The system I'm designing will still have the boot lid functional, it will require about 5 minutes to get the clam ready to tilt up. A couple pins, 2 Allen head screws and 6 thumb bolts to remove. All accessible without dismantling anything... The battery is being relocated to above the driver's side wheel. I thought about relocating to passenger side above wheel, but that's where the IC will sit before too long Have a nice day! Phil __________________ \| '05 GG LSS Elise \| A Track Chariot \| BOE ClamHinge \| BOE TVS SuperCharger 280whp/180wtq \| EFI Standalone Engine Management \| BOE Fuel Surge System \| BOE Lotus Tow Package See my car at BOE Fabrication: www.boefabrication.com *----->Last Updated: 9/25/2009* If something ain't worth doing right, it ain't worth doing... *Whoever thought working on a Lotus is hard, clearly hasn't tried it. Pick up a wrench and get some grease under your nails* Last edited by turbophil : 08-19-2008 at 07:19 AM.

01-05-2008, 09:31 AM	#2 (permalink)
darkSol Meow!! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Leawood, KS Posts: 2,576	I just got off the phone with Phil... believe me he's psyched! It's not going to weigh much of anything either! __________________ d.a..v...i....d David Thomas Stewart - davidtstewart@gmail.com TVS Supercharged 2005 Graphite Grey Lotus Elise: 286whp, 1781lbs. Lotus cars aren't made, they're hand built from dreams. If you must choose between two evils, pick the one you've never tried before.

01-05-2008, 09:46 AM	#4 (permalink)
LotusUSA The Architect Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Fishers, IN Posts: 537	Sounds very promising. Can't wait to see your masterpiece. __________________ "More power makes it fast on the straight, less weight makes it fast everywhere." - Colin Chapman 2006 BRITISH RACING GREEN EXIGE 2005 SAFFRON YELLOW ELISE (R.I.P.)

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01-05-2008, 09:57 AM	#6 (permalink)
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01-05-2008, 09:37 AM	#3 (permalink)
mp3moose Complete Lotus Junkie Join Date: May 2004 Location: Washington DC Posts: 692	Very cool. I'd be interested in this.

01-05-2008, 10:57 AM	#7 (permalink)
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CHRISN "I'M OLD GREG" Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: INDIANAPOLIS, IN Posts: 870	Thanks Phil! This project is long overdue!! Chris __________________ Ardent Red, stripes, LSS, Hard top, Touring, Star shield. Mods:re-located Braile battery,2bular exhaust,larini decat,FF splitter,SS brake lines, motor mount bushings, ACT clutch, Toda flywheel, Quaife LSD, Stereo delete, Tilting rear clam, Aero catch engine cover, Alcantara dash, Turboxs intake, Ported stock header and throttle body,2 piece rotors,Pagid pads, Delivered 12/04/04 #742 Auto Europe

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cspak71 Mediocrity is a sin. Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Orange County Posts: 527 Images: 9	Speaking of which, is there any post that show how to take off the rear clam? __________________ '05 SY Elise

01-05-2008, 12:13 PM	#12 (permalink)
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01-05-2008, 12:35 PM	#13 (permalink)
jlj3394 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 844	I always wondered why the battery wasn't up front in the first place. Seems to balance the car better and add trunk space. Perhaps it was a safety/crash worthiness issue. Good luck with the mod, I can't wait to see it at our next meeting. __________________ 05 GG Elise: Exige clam, LSS, Stage 2, ACT HD, DBA5000, CF scoops/splitter/mirrors/panels Others: Lex ES300Coach, Volvo V70R 300hp/260k Missed:01&04 Wranglers, 71 CJ5(225V6) Need a Johnson County or Kansas City personal injury/wrongful death attorney/lawyer/law firm?http://www.kcatty.com Looking for a Johnson County, KS DUI lawyer/attorney? http://www.JohnsonCountyDUI.com Need a Johnson County, KS lawyer/attorney to help amend or fix a speeding/traffic ticket? http://www.JoCoTraffic.com

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jim-clayton Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Fort Lauderdale Florida Posts: 1,630	Is it totally necessary to move the battery? Maybe an anderson plug to disconnect it before the tilt, or extended cables. Just wondering. __________________ 2005 Elise Storm Titanium

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01-05-2008, 04:20 PM	#18 (permalink)
turbophil Plug Whisperer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Kansas City/ Overland Park Posts: 2,544 Images: 6	I'll try to answer a couple questions, as I don't have much time to write... -It's not absolutely necessary to move the battery, but it makes it better if you do... Cable length is just part of. Under the battery lies a great attachment point for the clam... -Weight: It will be very light... -We will "kit" this and make it available for sale. The final unit, like all our projects will be laser or water jet cut, p-coated, with high quality hardware... -I'm quite certain that this will not work unless you have eliminated your rear panel. If you're wondering why, then just check out how many fasteners attach your rear panel to the clam Don't go out and buy a rear panel elim kit to prepare though, as it will take a special unit to work with the flip-top lid... -Will work with any exhaust as far as I can tell... but no guarantees... - It will be pretty expensive. There's a lot to this kit, special fasteners, complicated hinge system (4 bar hinge), battery relocation, etc... A couple things that I found about the Hypersport hinged clam. It doesn't hinge unless the wheels are off the car! It's super easy to make a hinge that works with the wheels off. If you look at any pic you see with their red elise at the track, they always remove the clam to work on it, not flip the lid. THe only pic where you can see their clam in action and tilting, there are no wheels on the car... There's nothing easy about making a hinge that is BOTH out of sight while the clam is the normal driving position and allow the clam to tilt with the wheels on the car... Finally, after the hinge work is done, there's the issue of attaching the clam back to the car well enough that you don't have anymore body flex than you had before...Also not easy...doable, but not easy... I need to run. I'll try to get pics up when I can... Best, Phil __________________ \| '05 GG LSS Elise \| A Track Chariot \| BOE ClamHinge \| BOE TVS SuperCharger 280whp/180wtq \| EFI Standalone Engine Management \| BOE Fuel Surge System \| BOE Lotus Tow Package See my car at BOE Fabrication: www.boefabrication.com *----->Last Updated: 9/25/2009* If something ain't worth doing right, it ain't worth doing... *Whoever thought working on a Lotus is hard, clearly hasn't tried it. Pick up a wrench and get some grease under your nails*

01-05-2008, 05:13 PM	#20 (permalink)
RacyTracy V Not my picture V Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Palatine, IL Posts: 9,176	As often as these cars need to be jumped, are you planning to have some type of connectors that will be under a front access panel?