Who thinks Lotus should Recall the rear suspension toe-link?

[scottyb]

I'm just curious how many feel that Lotus should have a recall on the rear suspension toe-links?

[zvezdah1]

Nope, don't think so.
Chris

[sndesign]

If they were found to be loose, then Lotus should replace the suspect part,
before someone gets killed. If they were fine then it should not be an issue
as long as they are checked before every track day or every 1000 miles
of street use (bad roads, spirited driving)

[Serebo1]

Originally Posted by sndesign

If they were found to be loose, then Lotus should replace the suspect part,
before someone gets killed. If they were fine then it should not be an issue
as long as they are checked before every track day or every 1000 miles
of street use (bad roads, spirited driving)

+1

[scottyb]

Originally Posted by sndesign

If they were found to be loose, then Lotus should replace the suspect part,
before someone gets killed. If they were fine then it should not be an issue
as long as they are checked before every track day or every 1000 miles
of street use (bad roads, spirited driving)

If you look at all the street cars in the US, how many require you to check and tighten suspension parts every 1000 miles of street use?

[MattG]

I don't think they should recall it, but I do think they should do something to ensure that all owners know about this. I think a lot of people are going to expect to be doing just regular oil changes themselves, heck, treating it like any other car rather than taking it to the dealer for service all the time. Due to the potential severity of this issue, I think Lotus needs to be sure those DIY'ers are taking care of this item as well. I'm usually not a big fan of warning stickers, but believe that sticking one on the engine cover could be a good move in this case.

[Buz]

They should send out a service bulletin to check them at every service interval and before every track event. They should also offer the braces to current owners at a discount to make up for the extra maintenance that we did not know our cars needed.

[Val]

Whats all this about?

[nas213]

Originally Posted by Val

Whats all this about?

http://www.elisetalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23291

[TimMullen]

Once again, the poll is phrased in such a way as to lead the votes.

It needs a "No, it's not necessary".

Not only is a recall overkill, it's not necessary. There is no need to check the torque values every 1,000 miles. You need to check them at the first service and then the next couple just to make sure. Then it should be good from then on...

Seriously, how many have failed? No street cars that I know, but a couple of cars used on the track - those are the conditions that can cause failure. It doesn't seem to be a problem for street cars, so it's not necessary. Just check them once or twice just in case - but is certainly isn't an every 1,000 mile maintenance check...

[codymac]

Originally Posted by scottyb

If you look at all the street cars in the US, how many require you to check and tighten suspension parts every 1000 miles of street use?

How many street cars in the US come with...
- double A-arm setups front and rear?
- coilovers?
- R-compound tires?
- roll (and harness) bars?
- an aluminum chassis?
- aerodynamics that work?
- AP brakes?
- handling on par with the best road-legal cars the world has to offer?

[bli8]

Wonder how it would hold up when autocrossed w/ DOT slicks such as the V710's or the A6's? Now I'm thinking getting a second set of wheels/tires w/ DOT slicks, should I get the real links installed just to be safe?

[Val]

Originally Posted by bli8

should I get the real links installed just to be safe?

With slicks??? Definately

[charliex]

Nick Adams said that if you run slicks you should seriously consider getting the brace, though lets face it the only downside in getting it seems to be the cost, and that doesn't seem much of a downside if it all went purple whilst driving.

Although we won't know for a while if its 100% needed, why chance it, just skip 177 venti mochas at starbucks

[babak]

Originally Posted by TimMullen

It needs a "No, it's not necessary".

Done. Also, added one to reflect the sentiment in this thread. I, for one, feel that a recall is overkill. I would appreciate a heads up and a one pager of what needs to be checked to formalize this.

[scottyb]

Okay, who altered the poll? and why?

You would at least expect an explanation before ones thread was changed.

The other categories are not needed. I prefer the way it was. Yes or No it's overkill.

You realize that this is an example of why Stan and so many others have had problems with the actions of some of the Mods.

[bli8]

When it comes to suspension parts, the right way for an auto manufacturer to build a car is to over-build it, not make it marginally strong enough for most of the driving situations. That's why I like my GT3 so much, even though it isn't as light as the Elise, I know the GT3 is over-built and the engine and suspension is bullet proof. Can't say the same for the Elise yet, at least for the current generation. Lets hope Lotus will make the cars more bullet-proof while keeping the weight down.

[fishguy]

can someone place a picture of these rear toe end links so i/we know what to check is tight, and maybe a torque setting for them?
thanks

[scottyb]

Let me get this straight you modify my thread, modify my poll and then delete my message when I make an exception to your actions.!!!!!!!!

[Randy Chase]

Originally Posted by scottyb

Let me get this straight you modify my thread, modify my poll and then delete my message when I make an exception to your actions.!!!!!!!!

Scotty, calm down. Your message is still there?!

There are no deleted messages.

You are right, a moderator should not have (I am sure with good intentions) followed the cue of someone else to change your poll. I removed the added two options and in affect your poll is back to what it was.