The Art of Creating Creatures - LotusTalk

smoseley · 05-12-2008, 07:42 PM

URL: TED | Talks | Theo Jansen: The art of creating creatures (video)

Quite the opposite effect of the scary robot dogs, this one is quite amazing and inspiring.

smoseley · 05-14-2008, 03:25 PM

Bump. I can't believe no one thought this was interesting??!

kestrel74 · 05-14-2008, 03:30 PM

A mazing. I've seen this somewhere before...

Aedo · 05-14-2008, 04:27 PM

Missed it the first time - thanks for posting!!!

xtn · 05-15-2008, 03:58 AM

It's not just amazing. I think it's beautiful too.

Good website to poke around at too. Thanks,
xtn

LotusLust · 05-15-2008, 06:06 AM

pretty good. when he walks the animal on stage i kept waiting to hear putting on the ritz a la young fronk-un-steen

far far cooler, find the TED talk on prosthetic arms done by the inventor (Dean Kamen) of those 2 wheel stand up scooter thingies- what were those called? segway

oh, here it is
TED | Talks | Dean Kamen: New prosthetic arm for veterans (video)

Beanie · 05-15-2008, 06:27 AM

The coolest.

LARRY · 05-15-2008, 07:30 AM

Coolest art project I've ever seen.

Fantastic!

smoseley · 05-15-2008, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by LotusLust

TED | Talks | Dean Kamen: New prosthetic arm for veterans (video)

That prosthetic arm is pretty cool, but how is it controlled? Does the guy just think "move" and it moves? If so, holy crap!

smoseley · 05-15-2008, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by LARRY

Coolest art project I've ever seen.

Is it any more an art project than we are?

ckalkhof · 05-15-2008, 08:57 AM

Well, I would say these devices are very impressive machanical marvels but nothing more. If left to roam the beaches by themselves I bet they wouldn't last very long. Every action of these beasts depends on some mechanical action with no intelligence - artificial or othewise.

I've been involved in robotics for most of my life and have been watching these awesome works of art that you pointed us to in the clip for some time. While these "creatures" are absolutely beautiful and amazing to watch, they are a dead end and will never progress any further if left alone, even though the creator states "they will multiply" or something like that. Maybe he means when they break apart into smaller peices? Even the most advanced robots today, rarely if ever, surprise their programmers. What may seem like intelligence is just fancy programming. It's too bad that we aren't futher along. I really thought by this time I would have a robot that would do my bidding..... brooohaha.

LARRY · 05-15-2008, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by smoseley

Is it any more an art project than we are?

Hmmm...

In that case, here's my next art project.

Another beach creature...

smoseley · 05-15-2008, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ckalkhof

Well, I would say these devices are very impressive machanical marvels but nothing more. If left to roam the beaches by themselves I bet they wouldn't last very long. Every action of these beasts depends on some mechanical action with no intelligence - artificial or othewise.

I don't think anyone disputes that. The thing that's amazing about Jansen's "creatures" is how innovative they are in doing what they do. Everything they do uses unconventional systems - wind power for energy, and a pneumatic "brain", for example. Everything he did started with a fresh slate, and his solution to many problems takes a path that other robotics engineers hadn't considered (probably because they were written off as "antiquated" technologies).

But look at the end-result... robots that are self-perpetuating (even if they have a limited lifespan), with no silicon in them except for some lemonade bottles, and capable of harnessing, storing and using energy without any electricity, and decision-making without any microchips.

Pretty darn fascinating if you ask me!

(And that doesn't even begin to delve into how they move...!!)

ckalkhof · 05-15-2008, 01:08 PM

I agree with everything you said Steve. The man is a genius and his creations are fascinating - I could watch them move for hours.

Question for you: What is the purpose of these creatures?

What is our purpose? I know, too deep for a car forum.

In the end, I like Larry's beach creature the best!

LotusLust · 05-15-2008, 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smoseley

That prosthetic arm is pretty cool, but how is it controlled? Does the guy just think "move" and it moves? If so, holy crap!

my understanding would be yes

smoseley · 05-15-2008, 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ckalkhof

Question for you:

Sounds more like a question for Theo Jansen.

But since he isn't here....

Quote:

Originally Posted by ckalkhof

What is the purpose of these creatures?

The same as any creature, only on a lesser scale.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ckalkhof

What is our purpose?

The same as the Creator, only on a lesser scale.

ckalkhof · 05-15-2008, 04:32 PM

Interesting.

MickOpalak · 05-16-2008, 04:54 AM

Nothing but a fancy sculpture. Meh.

xtn · 05-16-2008, 05:28 AM

It's inspirational usage of four-link hinge systems. The beach creatures are like Turbophil's tilting clam - a beautiful solution.

xtn

smoseley · 05-16-2008, 05:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MickOpalak

Nothing but a fancy sculpture. Meh.

And you're nothing but a fancier sculpture.

05-12-2008, 07:42 PM	#1 (permalink)
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xtn McLareghini Bugatterrari Join Date: May 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 5,316	It's not just amazing. I think it's beautiful too. Good website to poke around at too. Thanks, xtn __________________ 2006 McLareghini Bugatterrari, Storm Titanium... <mods> installed: air horn, Scroth 4-point ASM harnesses, Sector111 halon extinguisher and mounting bracket, Von Hep exhaust and rear panel delete, Pagid brake pads, red Volks CE28n wheels, Toyo RA-1 tires, Nitron SA coilovers, Sector111 (WorksBell) quick-disconnect steering wheel kit. awaiting installation: Scroth "pull-up" lap belts, Sector111 RTD Brace, Tony's heater bypass mod, and dropped steering rack mounting plates. </mods>

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LotusLust Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: da woods of tn Posts: 3,513	pretty good. when he walks the animal on stage i kept waiting to hear putting on the ritz a la young fronk-un-steen far far cooler, find the TED talk on prosthetic arms done by the inventor (Dean Kamen) of those 2 wheel stand up scooter thingies- what were those called? segway oh, here it is TED \| Talks \| Dean Kamen: New prosthetic arm for veterans (video) __________________ Storm Titanium, LSS, touring, hard top. my other car is a ...oh yeah i remember the other car...a spyder club111 member. i tried to buy a lower spot and become member #13 but was spurned! "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" -benjamin franklin

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05-15-2008, 08:57 AM	#11 (permalink)
ckalkhof Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Mentor Ohio Posts: 39	Art Project Well, I would say these devices are very impressive machanical marvels but nothing more. If left to roam the beaches by themselves I bet they wouldn't last very long. Every action of these beasts depends on some mechanical action with no intelligence - artificial or othewise. I've been involved in robotics for most of my life and have been watching these awesome works of art that you pointed us to in the clip for some time. While these "creatures" are absolutely beautiful and amazing to watch, they are a dead end and will never progress any further if left alone, even though the creator states "they will multiply" or something like that. Maybe he means when they break apart into smaller peices? Even the most advanced robots today, rarely if ever, surprise their programmers. What may seem like intelligence is just fancy programming. It's too bad that we aren't futher along. I really thought by this time I would have a robot that would do my bidding..... brooohaha.

05-15-2008, 01:08 PM	#14 (permalink)
ckalkhof Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Mentor Ohio Posts: 39	Beach Creatures I agree with everything you said Steve. The man is a genius and his creations are fascinating - I could watch them move for hours. Question for you: What is the purpose of these creatures? What is our purpose? I know, too deep for a car forum. In the end, I like Larry's beach creature the best!

05-15-2008, 04:32 PM	#17 (permalink)
ckalkhof Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Mentor Ohio Posts: 39	Interesting.

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05-16-2008, 05:28 AM	#19 (permalink)
xtn McLareghini Bugatterrari Join Date: May 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 5,316	It's inspirational usage of four-link hinge systems. The beach creatures are like Turbophil's tilting clam - a beautiful solution. xtn __________________ 2006 McLareghini Bugatterrari, Storm Titanium... <mods> installed: air horn, Scroth 4-point ASM harnesses, Sector111 halon extinguisher and mounting bracket, Von Hep exhaust and rear panel delete, Pagid brake pads, red Volks CE28n wheels, Toyo RA-1 tires, Nitron SA coilovers, Sector111 (WorksBell) quick-disconnect steering wheel kit. awaiting installation: Scroth "pull-up" lap belts, Sector111 RTD Brace, Tony's heater bypass mod, and dropped steering rack mounting plates. </mods>

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