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Old 12-31-2012, 02:21 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Executive order giving Pres, VP, Senate and Congress a raise

As the nation is distracted with the fiscal cliff, the end of the NFL season, and preparing for new years celebration, our esteemed leader slipped one by 'us' today, signing an executive order giving all Senators, Congresspeople, the VP and himself pay raises.

Where I work raises are given on merit (if given at all). Not for just showing up and certainly not for making things worse.

Don't care where you fall on the political spectrum, all should contact their representatives imploring them to refuse the raise.
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Though I don't agree with some of it - it does increase the pay of ALL federal employees including service men and women, VA employees, etc. I believe.

It has been 4 years since any of those positions have seen an increase.
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Year Military Pay
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Sector Raise Pay Gap
1999 3.6 3.6 13.5%
2000 6.2 4.3 11.4%
2001 4.1 3.2 10.5%
2002 6.9 4.1 7.6%
2003 4.7 3.6 6.5%
2004 4.2 3.1 5.4%
2005 3.5 3.0 4.9%
2006 3.1 2.6 4.4%
2007 2.7 2.2 3.9%
2008 3.5 3.0 3.4%
2009 3.9 3.4 2.9%
2010 3.4 UNK UNK
2011 1.4 UNK UNK
2012 1.6 UNK UNK
2013 1.7 UNK UNK
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Lets see them create jobs to increase the tax base to pay for these raises we cannot currently afford.
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Lets see them create jobs to increase the tax base to pay for these raises we cannot currently afford.
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This a-hole froze my pay for the last 2-3 years. He gaves us a raise, yes, but it's only .05%. WOW. I don't want it, shove it up yur ass.

BTW, the raise is not a "raise." It's a COLA, or cost of living increase. Typically it's 3% every 1st of the year.

Raise is only when you're moving up the pay scale.
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This a-hole froze my pay for the last 2-3 years. He gaves us a raise, yes, but it's only .05%. WOW. I don't want it, shove it up yur ass.

BTW, the raise is not a "raise." It's a COLA, or cost of living increase. Typically it's 3% every 1st of the year.

Raise is only when you're moving up the pay scale.
Exactly,

Last I remember it was something like 1.9% in 2010 (memory's shot). They wanted to freeze my pay to save billions, I was for it... Until I found out that they took that money and threw it away on other "stimulus" packages.

IF, IF, I am lucky I might see a pay-for-performance increase each year of at most $2500 (that's based on my performance, what my boss thinks I'm worth, and what his boss will let him award). Usually it's ~$1000 because the pot of money raises comes from was cut (that didn't make the news) and workers don't deserve as much as management.


So sure, kick out a whopping .05%, for Federal employees. I'd like to that a COLA increase for military continue but, I would NOT like to see increased spending or "stimulus" plans and increases for politicians.
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I would like to see senate and house pay tied to the average adult income in the USA. Something like a four times rule. Obama claims he created jobs, but they were mostly minimum wage jobs in the food and hospitality (hotel) industries. When the policies enacted cause the numbers of people making a living wage to swell, their pay goes up. When their policies lead to economic disaster, unemployment and low paying jobs, their pay drops painfully. Let them feel the pain too. Politics, the only job where what you produce does not impact your pay and advancement.
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Congratulations to those who reelected the socialist bastard.
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Congratulations to those who reelected the socialist bastard.
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Upon signing of the order, President Obama expressed his exhaustion and quickly left on Air Force One for another vacation in Hawaii. Joining him were 18,843 secret service agents, every member of his family (except the brother in the hut in Kenya), Katy Perry, Jay Z and 'special friend' Reggie Love.

The President is expected to spend time with his family on the beach, hit the links with George Soros, Bruce Springsteen and Jeremiah Wright and cruise around town on his pink girl's Huffy.
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Though I don't agree with some of it - it does increase the pay of ALL federal employees including service men and women, VA employees, etc. I believe.

It has been 4 years since any of those positions have seen an increase.
And its been longer than that for many privately employed workers. Cant feel bad for anyone with a Govt job. They have zero acountability, gigundous pensions, free/cheap health care, and womb to tomb job security.

Sorry, but Eff them.

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Upon signing of the order, President Obama expressed his exhaustion and quickly left on Air Force One for another vacation in Hawaii. Joining him were 18,843 secret service agents, every member of his family (except the brother in the hut in Kenya), Katy Perry, Jay Z and 'special friend' Reggie Love.

The President is expected to spend time with his family on the beach, hit the links with George Soros, Bruce Springsteen and Jeremiah Wright and cruise around town on his pink girl's Huffy.
Wow - that would be a group of people worth dropping a daisy-cutter on. All despicable, left-wing "do as I say, not as I do" limousine liberals. Focking great.
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I pray for a peaceful and long life for Obama. Should he die in office, his Obamacare program will become his "legacy" and then nobody will be able to trim/adjust/cut it. I hope we can get rid of this legacy someday; the USA simply cannot afford the "affordable care act". Other countries which have enacted socialized medicine are now suffereing under punishing taxes (like Canada) or bankruptcy (like Greece). One of the things I remember Obama "promise" was health insurance premiums would drop for everyone; mine has gone up with no end in sight.
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I pray for a peaceful and long life for Obama. Should he die in office, his Obamacare program will become his "legacy" and then nobody will be able to trim/adjust/cut it. I hope we can get rid of this legacy someday; the USA simply cannot afford the "affordable care act". Other countries which have enacted socialized medicine are now suffereing under punishing taxes (like Canada) or bankruptcy (like Greece). One of the things I remember Obama "promise" was health insurance premiums would drop for everyone; mine has gone up with no end in sight.
We are on a Consumer Directed plan which has saved us money but we have also been LUCKY that no big expenses have come our way. If worst comes to worst, just clog up the emergency rooms and drop health care altogether. Fock it.
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And its been longer than that for many privately employed workers. Cant feel bad for anyone with a Govt job. They have zero acountability, gigundous pensions, free/cheap health care, and womb to tomb job security.
1) Incorrect.
2) Gigundous pensions huh? Know what my pension is going to be when I retire? Pretty tough talking out your backside isn't it? For about the last 20 years or so, new hires are under a system called FERS. CSRS used to be the standard and was a little more generous. The politicians have done a damn good job of cutting pensions/retirement for all federal employees except postal, politicians and the military. Our retirement now mainly comes from our 401k's (TSP) with a 1% agency match up to a certain amount. That allowed them to drastically reduce the pension %.
3) Free health care? Nope. Postal unions have a insane program (they pay 30% less for better). Military have it pretty good with tricare. Non-unionized federals have pretty crappy health care. 1 person with the low tier through an HMO - $80 per month, no eyewear and no dental. Dental is an extra $30 per month for minimal. Don't remember what eyewear is.
4) Unfortunately this is more accurate than I'd like. It's tough to fire people on the spot, except for money fraud (time, travel expenses, etc..), and drug usage. Poor performers are put on improvement programs. They fail, then you can fire them. But then we don't have the same issues with "unjust firing" lawsuits the private industry has. Fired and your pension goes up in smoke.


I worked in private industry for 9 years for 2 companies. I got yearly reviews (raises most years of ~ 3%, expenses paid when I traveled (within reason), 5% matching 401k (and 3% for the second company), better health care for the same amount I pay now.

I've worked for the government for 8 years now. Yearly reviews (raises between 1-3%), expenses paid and per diem when I travel, 1% matching 401k, dip in health care coverages.
- I also took a pay cut to move to the government, I have to stay in BOQ or base lodging when I travel to save the costs (vs getting a hotel at gov rate), pay for a lot of supplies we use (CD's, printer ink, etc...) because our budget's been slashed and we still have jobs to do, been through a BRAC and RIF.

Sorry that you clump all government workers into the same category, but hey, thanks to the latest deal reached in DC you can still suck up an extra year of unemployment while you "look" for a job.
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Obama Orders Pay Raise For Congress, Federal Workers, Joe Biden

1/2-1% raise, ending an increase freeze since 2009. VP gets the bigest rais at 2.8% which brings his salary to 231k.

clearly this is socialism at its worst.
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1) Incorrect.
2) Gigundous pensions huh? Know what my pension is going to be when I retire? Pretty tough talking out your backside isn't it? For about the last 20 years or so, new hires are under a system called FERS. CSRS used to be the standard and was a little more generous. The politicians have done a damn good job of cutting pensions/retirement for all federal employees except postal, politicians and the military. Our retirement now mainly comes from our 401k's (TSP) with a 1% agency match up to a certain amount. That allowed them to drastically reduce the pension %.
3) Free health care? Nope. Postal unions have a insane program (they pay 30% less for better). Military have it pretty good with tricare. Non-unionized federals have pretty crappy health care. 1 person with the low tier through an HMO - $80 per month, no eyewear and no dental. Dental is an extra $30 per month for minimal. Don't remember what eyewear is.
4) Unfortunately this is more accurate than I'd like. It's tough to fire people on the spot, except for money fraud (time, travel expenses, etc..), and drug usage. Poor performers are put on improvement programs. They fail, then you can fire them. But then we don't have the same issues with "unjust firing" lawsuits the private industry has. Fired and your pension goes up in smoke.


I worked in private industry for 9 years for 2 companies. I got yearly reviews (raises most years of ~ 3%, expenses paid when I traveled (within reason), 5% matching 401k (and 3% for the second company), better health care for the same amount I pay now.

I've worked for the government for 8 years now. Yearly reviews (raises between 1-3%), expenses paid and per diem when I travel, 1% matching 401k, dip in health care coverages.
- I also took a pay cut to move to the government, I have to stay in BOQ or base lodging when I travel to save the costs (vs getting a hotel at gov rate), pay for a lot of supplies we use (CD's, printer ink, etc...) because our budget's been slashed and we still have jobs to do, been through a BRAC and RIF.

Sorry that you clump all government workers into the same category, but hey, thanks to the latest deal reached in DC you can still suck up an extra year of unemployment while you "look" for a job.
Ok, so what I deduce from this? You were dumb from moving from a private sector job for a government one.
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Firing GS workers is a nightmare, if the packet demonstrating and logging non-performance is less than 3 inches thick, it is unlikely to be succesful. We have one which falsified a 4 year degree to get hired; he just got moved where his lack of skill will do less harm. Several which have degrees in Engineering and Computer Science, which have magically forgotten all the lessons a first year student learns. More often than not they are promoted or moved laterally to an "administrative" job which does not require technical knowledge. This is epidemic in the GS arena. Many would be epic failures in the private sector.
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