Is Hilary finished? - Page 18 - LotusTalk

TimMullen · 02-04-2008, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by TimMullen

As for Hillary and Bill (I don't see how you can have one without the other): http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22926743/

I assume that nobody has gone to the link above. I also don't understand (well yes, I do actually) why the media hasn't made a big deal out of it.

Basically, Bill Clinton is selling favors based on the fact that he is the former President and the husband of a possible future President. Can you be any more crooked that that? And this is before Hillary is even elected, what's he going to do after the election?

Andrikos · 02-04-2008, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ivan1

Is this the image we want to show the world of our commander in chief?

It's been done before...

TimMullen · 02-04-2008, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by scottyb

I had the pleasure of meeting Obama about 2 years ago. He is quite charismatic and an intelligent man. I think he is a far better candidate than Hillary.

I think Obama is very charismatic and better than Hillary. However, I believe his politics are too far left (amd so are Hillary's).

John · 02-04-2008, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TimMullen

I think Obama is very charismatic and better than Hillary. However, I believe his politics are too far left (amd so are Hillary's).

Agree - but that's the Median Voting Theory for you. During the primaries, the candidates are scambling to their policy sidelines (Dems to the left, Reps to the right), and then as November approaches, the candidates are rushing towards the center.

Flash G · 02-04-2008, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by scottyb

What about the possibility that McCain is entertaining the idea of Liberman & Bloomberg as possible running mates. If so, that would definitely steal the election away from the Democrats.

Lieberman has already said he won't be McCain's runningmate.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics...,6803177.story

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ivan1 · 02-04-2008, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrikos

It's been done before...

and you were happy with that one??????

PhoneBoy · 02-04-2008, 03:45 PM

The candidates remind me of the BWR/S111 supercharger threads: They all suck (politicians in a bad way, superchargers in a good way)

Andrikos · 02-05-2008, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by ivan1

and you were happy with that one??????

Your question was; and I quote:

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Originally Posted by ivan1

Is this the image we want to show the world of our commander in chief?

A crying president is the least of my worries at this point.
We have so many things to fix.

ivan1 · 02-05-2008, 09:02 AM

just out of curiosity - do you know what the source of that pic was? Crying at a funeral or war memorial - appropriate , not unpresidential...
crying for no real reason=can be taken as a sign of weakness....

never mind..I found it...
Tears of a President
Tears run from the eyes of U.S. President George W. Bush during a ceremony in honor of Medal of Honor winner Marine Cpl. Jason Dunham in the East room of the White House in Washington D.C. Cpl. Dunham was killed when he jumped on a grenade to save fellow members of his Marine patrol while serving in Iraq.

my point stands...

TimMullen · 02-05-2008, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrikos

It's been done before...

It depends on why the person is crying.

If there is a tear because of some great tragedy (i.e. 911, a funeral, etc.) it shows the person is human.

If there is a tear because someone is "picking" on them, then that is not okay.

So, it depends on why there is a tear as to whether it's good or bad - context is everything.

Andrikos · 02-05-2008, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by TimMullen

It depends on why the person is crying.

If there is a tear because of some great tragedy (i.e. 911, a funeral, etc.) it shows the person is human.

If there is a tear because someone is "picking" on them, then that is not okay.

So, it depends on why there is a tear as to whether it's good or bad - context is everything.

Fascinating how personal biases work, isn't it?

ivan1 · 02-05-2008, 09:19 AM

how is it a bias? do you think crying at a funeral is a sign of weakness? or do you think crying because someone is picking on you is not a sign of weakness? just trying to understand which part of that you disagree with.....

John · 02-05-2008, 09:22 AM

Crying to get your way is a sign of weakness.

ivan1 · 02-05-2008, 09:29 AM

this morning at my train station they were handing out Obama brochures and urging us to vote...I told the guy anybody but Hillary...he laughed and said that was the "ABC" platform

Andrikos · 02-05-2008, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by ivan1

how is it a bias? do you think crying at a funeral is a sign of weakness? or do you think crying because someone is picking on you is not a sign of weakness? just trying to understand which part of that you disagree with.....

The point is that you showed us a pic of Hillary well up with the caption
"Is this the image we want to show the world of our commander in chief?"
and I countered with a similar pic of w.

That's when all the excuses started coming in that it's all about context.
I guarantee you that if I hadn't posted the w pic, Tim M. wouldn't rush to Hillary's defense that it's all about context.

Hence my comment about bias...

I hope I made myself clear...

PS No, I'm not voting for Hillary.

LARRY · 02-05-2008, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by ivan1

This isnt really a bash the democrats thread so get over it...this thread is all about Hillary...I hope Obama kicks her a**......

Obama is great! So is Hilary!

Just everyone VOTE for somebody today!

Change things!

ivan1 · 02-05-2008, 09:59 AM

I guess I wasnt clear when I said "image of our commander".."image" can be taken to mean the photograph itself, or image can refer to how she will be perceived (that is where context comes in). I was thinking more in terms of that, but no point in arguing semantics....the important thing is you arent voting for Hillary, so you cant be all bad

LARRY · 02-05-2008, 10:01 AM

I voted already...for Hilary.

Experienced and terrific. (IMO)

TimMullen · 02-05-2008, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrikos

That's when all the excuses started coming in that it's all about context.
I guarantee you that if I hadn't posted the w pic, Tim M. wouldn't rush to Hillary's defense that it's all about context.

Actually I was attempting to be completely unbiased. I don't care if either one was crying, if they had a good reason, and I don't know the back ground of either photo. Hillary could have just as easily been crying at a funeral and George at being called an idiot for all I know.

If a person is crying because they are touched by "Human feelings", than no big deal.

If they are crying because they can't handle the stress, etc. then that is a concern.

It's that simple. No bias, and it applies either way, to both "sides".

TimMullen · 02-05-2008, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by LARRY

I voted already...for Hilary.

Experienced and terrific. (IMO)

Larry,

I'm still curious. You have a large collection of guns. You voted for a person that has stated several times that she desires to ban all guns. How do you reconcile that?

Just courious...

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02-05-2008, 09:02 AM	#349 (permalink)
ivan1 b3NNAd Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Bedford, NY Posts: 5,417	just out of curiosity - do you know what the source of that pic was? Crying at a funeral or war memorial - appropriate , not unpresidential... crying for no real reason=can be taken as a sign of weakness.... never mind..I found it... Tears of a President Tears run from the eyes of U.S. President George W. Bush during a ceremony in honor of Medal of Honor winner Marine Cpl. Jason Dunham in the East room of the White House in Washington D.C. Cpl. Dunham was killed when he jumped on a grenade to save fellow members of his Marine patrol while serving in Iraq. my point stands...

02-05-2008, 09:19 AM	#352 (permalink)
ivan1 b3NNAd Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Bedford, NY Posts: 5,417	how is it a bias? do you think crying at a funeral is a sign of weakness? or do you think crying because someone is picking on you is not a sign of weakness? just trying to understand which part of that you disagree with.....

02-05-2008, 09:29 AM	#354 (permalink)
ivan1 b3NNAd Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Bedford, NY Posts: 5,417	this morning at my train station they were handing out Obama brochures and urging us to vote...I told the guy anybody but Hillary...he laughed and said that was the "ABC" platform

02-05-2008, 09:59 AM	#357 (permalink)
ivan1 b3NNAd Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Bedford, NY Posts: 5,417	I guess I wasnt clear when I said "image of our commander".."image" can be taken to mean the photograph itself, or image can refer to how she will be perceived (that is where context comes in). I was thinking more in terms of that, but no point in arguing semantics....the important thing is you arent voting for Hillary, so you cant be all bad

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