Is Hilary finished?

[LARRY]

I'm a gun-totin' member of the NRA and a Liberal Democrat to boot.

It ain't the Feds that'll take away my guns, it's the Kalifornia legislature.

(And they'll have to repeal the 2nd Amendment to "ban all guns." That ain't gonna happen.)

Hilary or Obama can reduce or eliminate the "big guns" that cost a fortune and do nothing. That would be nuclear weapons, partner.

Saddle up and vote for somebody! Yeeeeeee haw!

[Andrikos]

Originally Posted by TimMullen

Actually I was attempting to be completely unbiased. I don't care if either one was crying, if they had a good reason, and I don't know the back ground of either photo. Hillary could have just as easily been crying at a funeral and George at being called an idiot for all I know.

If a person is crying because they are touched by "Human feelings", than no big deal.

If they are crying because they can't handle the stress, etc. then that is a concern.

It's that simple. No bias, and it applies either way, to both "sides".

Fair enough.
May the least sucky candidate win!

[ivan1]

Originally Posted by Andrikos

Fair enough.
May the least sucky candidate win!

Pathetic but true...
the only ones I would even consider voting for at this point are McCain, Romney (not likely though) or Obama.....dont care for the Huckleberry Hound or Hill Dog (obviously)

[Andrikos]

Originally Posted by ivan1

Pathetic but true...
the only ones I would even consider voting for at this point are McCain, Romney (not likely though) or Obama.....

Hey, you're batting .750!
That's better than most.

[TimMullen]

Originally Posted by LARRY

I'm a gun-totin' member of the NRA and a Liberal Democrat to boot.

It ain't the Feds that'll take away my guns, it's the Kalifornia legislature.

(And they'll have to repeal the 2nd Amendment to "ban all guns." That ain't gonna happen.)

But Hillary is backed by the anti-gunners, and she is one of the many that wants to ban personally owned guns, including hand guns. She also supported the "Clinton gun ban" *(the one that declared my .22 to be an assault weapon).

No, Hillary want to ban more than just the big ones, she wants to ban all of them.

[PhoneBoy]

Originally Posted by TimMullen

But Hillary is backed by the anti-gunners, and she is one of the many that wants to ban personally owned guns, including hand guns. She also supported the "Clinton gun ban" *(the one that declared my .22 to be an assault weapon).

No, Hillary want to ban more than just the big ones, she wants to ban all of them.

+1
We love you Larry, but I've wondered about this one myself. BTW, I'm an NRA member too - I'm just on the other side of the fence.

[zOOmz]

*Waves Ron Paul flag...*

[John]

Originally Posted by LARRY

Obama is great! So is Hilary!

Just everyone VOTE for somebody today!

Change things!

I can't vote since I'm an independent - thus neither party wants my opinion. If I could vote in either, it would be Ron Paul without question, and for the Dems, Gravel or Obama (because I used to work around Hilldog and she a two-faced c*nt).

[Flash G]

Originally Posted by TimMullen

...she is one of the many that wants to ban personally owned guns, including hand guns. She also supported the "Clinton gun ban" *(the one that declared my .22 to be an assault weapon).

I'm not a Clinton supporter, but I seriously doubt where you can find her ever saying that she wanted to ban "personally owned guns". That's an overly broad statement.

So many people have a frothing hate for the woman, it clouds their judgement to the point of hysteria. That's what's happened to politics in this country. Nothing but spite and vitriol with few facts to back up the hate.

And again, I'm not a Hillary supporter. I feel the same way about when the looney left makes assinine accusations about Bush. The general tone of politics now is sad.



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[tandemracer]

The next few weeks will be interesting. The Clinton attack machine is going to get cranked up full steam now with Obama edging into the lead.

I wonder who Hillary is screaming at today?

[TimMullen]

Hillary now has a serious contender. She may no longer be in the lead:

Unexpected candidate announces that he is running.

[TimMullen]

Originally Posted by Flash G

I'm not a Clinton supporter, but I seriously doubt where you can find her ever saying that she wanted to ban "personally owned guns". That's an overly broad statement.

Basically, if nothing else, it's guilt by association. Hillary supports organizations - and those organizations support Hillary - that have publicly declared that they intend to ban all guns. Hillary's record speaks for itself - she has voted for every anti-gun bill that has occurred during her time in office (and Bill's too), and those are as far reaching as banning ammunition to allowing law suits to force the gun manufacturers out of business to redefining what constitutes certain types of guns (i.e. target rifles should be banned because they are "sniper rifles"). The list goes on...

Here's the result of a quick google search. Unfortunately, some of the working is a bit off the wall, but the facts remain. Things like this are seldom reported by the main stream media as they tend to also be overwhelmingly anti-gun. Here's some of the links:

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLI...uns/index.html

http://www.gunowners.org/pres08/clinton.htm

http://acuf.org/issues/issue65/060809pol.asp

http://thelibertysphere.blogspot.com...un-agenda.html

http://www.nrapublications.org/first...om/Hillary.asp

[Flash G]

Originally Posted by TimMullen

Basically, if nothing else, it's guilt by association. Hillary supports organizations - and those organizations support Hillary - that have publicly declared that they intend to ban all guns. Hillary's record speaks for itself - she has voted for every anti-gun bill that has occurred during her time in office (and Bill's too), and those are as far reaching as banning ammunition to allowing law suits to force the gun manufacturers out of business to redefining what constitutes certain types of guns (i.e. target rifles should be banned because they are "sniper rifles"). The list goes on...

Here's the result of a quick google search. Unfortunately, some of the working is a bit off the wall, but the facts remain. Things like this are seldom reported by the main stream media as they tend to also be overwhelmingly anti-gun. Here's some of the links:

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLI...uns/index.html

http://www.gunowners.org/pres08/clinton.htm

http://acuf.org/issues/issue65/060809pol.asp

http://thelibertysphere.blogspot.com...un-agenda.html

http://www.nrapublications.org/first...om/Hillary.asp

I just read all 5 pieces (the last four of which are opinion pieces, not news pieces) and nowhere did it say anything about her wanting to "ban personally owned guns".)

I don't think voting for a bill that would allow lawsuits against gun manufacturers and supporting gun registration amount to anything close to " banning personally owned guns".

This is why I say all of the hatred is based on hysteria and not fact. Saying that she wants to ban all guns is just plainly not true.



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[TimMullen]

Originally Posted by Flash G

I just read all 5 pieces (the last four of which are opinion pieces, not news pieces) and nowhere did it say anything about her wanting to "ban personally owned guns".)

The organizations that support her and that she supports have stated exactly that. She may not have made the statements, but the organizations have.

Originally Posted by Flash G

I don't think voting for a bill that would allow lawsuits against gun manufacturers and supporting gun registration amount to anything close to " banning personally owned guns".

The lawsuits were intended specifically to bankrupt the gun manufacturers to put them out of business - a back door way to stop (ban) all guns.

Originally Posted by Flash G

This is why I say all of the hatred is based on hysteria and not fact. Saying that she wants to ban all guns is just plainly not true.

Her actions have plainly indicated that that is her intentions. Clever political maneuvering to avoid making the exact statement does not change the out come. Additionally, she was a force in the enactment of the "Clinton Assault Weapon" ban which simply banned guns because they "looked mean". Attempting to reclassify common ammunition as "dangerous" so that it can not be sold, is another back door attempt to ban guns - if you ban the ammunition, you have banned the guns. Attempting to define .22 target guns as sniper rifles is an attempt to ban guns. Attempting to ban all semi-automatic guns because they have no sporting uses is ridiculous.

Hillary is very anti-gun, and the overall objective of anti-gun groups is to ban all personally owned guns.

[LARRY]

Originally Posted by PhoneBoy

+1
We love you Larry, but I've wondered about this one myself. BTW, I'm an NRA member too - I'm just on the other side of the fence.

I love my guns.

But the kind of human rights violations the Bush Administration has embarked on are so shocking and anti-American that I cannot live with a Republican in the White House any longer.

[pla_time]

Originally Posted by TimMullen

The organizations that support her and that she supports have stated exactly that. She may not have made the statements, but the organizations have.

I am a little confused by this 'position by association' logic.

Lets say that, just for argument sake:
1. Larry supports Hillary.
2. Larry likes his guns and wants to keep them legal
3. Hillary takes a campaign contribution from Larry and thanks
him for it
4. By the same argument, Hillary supports legal personal gun ownership.

[LARRY]

Hello?

This election is about the future of America.

Not just about guns and gun ownership.

If all you care about is guns, move to Georgia where they will NEVER take your guns away and shoot at things.

...

Hilary or Barack.

Anyone but a Rupublican anywhere near the White House.

[TimMullen]

Originally Posted by pla_time

4. By the same argument, Hillary supports legal personal gun ownership.

Only if Hillary has also supported Larry's agenda by voting Larry's way, and speaking for and recommending Larry's agenda.

Hillary may not have done that for Larry's agenda, but Hillary's record on gun issues has been 100% anti-gun. Hillary's endorsement and association of the anti-gun organizations shows an anti-gun bias. Hillary isn't taking campaign contributions from the NRA, but she sure as heck takes lots of donations from the anti-gun lobby.

And no, I don't have specific links to post to "prove" it. It's just something I (and many others) have been watching and observing for the last 19 years or so. It was Bill and Hillary's efforts many years back that caused me to sign up and join the NRA - let some of my dues pay to fight the anti-gun lobby.

[TimMullen]

Originally Posted by LARRY

Hello?

This election is about the future of America.

Not just about guns and gun ownership.

Actually someone else posted once, and I tend to agree.

A politician's opinion on the Second Amendment is a pretty good litmus test on their other views. If they believe in the government in taking our guns, they have a tendency to also be very liberal, want to tax us to pay the poor, government to control our lives, etc.

I've kind of compared their stance on the Second Amendment and other political views, and find it holds true for me.

For some it's abortion rights, for others it's gay marriage. Everyone has something they can use for their litmus test.

Oh and for the record, I'm not some redneck gun, toting crazy. I don't live and die for guns. Larry is more into guns than I'll ever be. I just like my rights to remain mine.

[Raindem]

Originally Posted by zOOmz

*Waves Ron Paul flag...*

I think as this campaign progresses people will start to regret not taking him more seriously early on, when it could have mattered. I hope he has at least influenced the debate. Right now the country needs a bit of his medicine.