Is Hilary finished?

[Rob T]

Originally Posted by ivan1

At this point it is just a question of who screws up worse

When it comes to politics, it's almost always a question of who screws up the most.

[fishguy]

Originally Posted by LARRY

I'll give you a "D" for trying really hard to be funny.

A "C-" for grammar.

An "F" for spelling...words like "expalining."

thank you for reminding us, yet again, why Ivan1, cory1000, and others called you a prick.

I will refrain from doing so at this time however.

[ivan1]

Hillary is on The O'Reilly Factor doing an interview...never thought that would happen...I give her credit for that, and so far she is doing ok...at this point IF I had to choose a democratic candidate I would take her over Obama - I still think she is a b*tch, but at least she is not a spineless squid....

edit:although she just admitted she would raise my taxes 6%

[Flash G]

She's finished... because the Democratic "Superdelegates" (her only chance) know that if they hand her the nomination, while Obama has the most delegates, it will be a suicide mission that will destroy the Democratic party.


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[cajunairman]

Originally Posted by LARRY

Hope not.

4 more years of Republican nonsense?

Who are you Republicans voting for and why?

Put your money where your mouth is.

Bush passed incentives and laws that allowed my company to justify bringing money back into the U.S. So yes, Republican much.

[ivan1]

Originally Posted by Flash G

She's finished... because the Democratic "Superdelegates" (her only chance) know that if they hand her the nomination, while Obama has the most delegates, it will be a suicide mission that will destroy the Democratic party.
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But what if Obama has a few more negative happenings, has downward momentum and the superdelegates perceive her as the one with the best chance of beating McCain?

[Rob T]

Originally Posted by ivan1

But what if Obama has a few more negative happenings, has downward momentum and the superdelegates perceive her as the one with the best chance of beating McCain?

It doesn't matter at this point for the very reasons that Flash G indicates. Yes, she might have a better chance of winning, but all hell would break loose if they give her the nomination when Obama will have more delegates.

[NMRJock]

It's a tough spot for the Democratic party to be in. I thought Obama had a really good chance at this. Now (fair or not) the tide is turning against him.

If they give the nomination to Hillary I still contend that she is unelectable and they'll be telling a lot of Democrats that their votes don't really matter in the primaries (Which will just be another shovel full on top of the heap of ill-will Florida and Michigan got them).

If the nomination goes to Obama it is hard to measure how the Reverend Wright scandal will hurt him with the people that really matter (truly undecided moderates) in the election.

[pla_time]

Originally Posted by NMRJock

It's a tough spot for the Democratic party to be in. I thought Obama had a really good chance at this. Now (fair or not) the tide is turning against him.

If they give the nomination to Hillary I still contend that she is unelectable and they'll be telling a lot of Democrats that their votes don't really matter in the primaries (Which will just be another shovel full on top of the heap of ill-will Florida and Michigan got them).

If the nomination goes to Obama it is hard to measure how the Reverend Wright scandal will hurt him with the people that really matter (truly undecided moderates) in the election.

+1. It has really been a surprise that more of the superdelagates haven't gotten off the fence at this point. The longer she stays in the race, it is only going to get worse.

[cajunairman]

I love it, the Democrats haven't even taken office yet and there's so much drama AND nonsense.

[PhoneBoy]

We're a little closer now!

[Surferjer]

Funny deal. Hilary could beat McCain, Barack-probably not (at least according to the most recent polls). Yet the Dems will put Barack on the ballot (I agree that they don't have a choice at this point unless they include Michigan and Florida delegates), and almost in explicably lose an election that was deemed unlosable just six months ago. Wow.

[lotusforsale]

Originally Posted by Surferjer

Funny deal. Hilary could beat McCain, Barack-probably not (at least according to the most recent polls). Yet the Dems will put Barack on the ballot (I agree that they don't have a choice at this point unless they include Michigan and Florida delegates), and almost in explicably lose an election that was deemed unlosable just six months ago. Wow.

For years the saying has been "The Democrats are the Evil Party, the
Republicans the Stupid Party."

This time around, it looks like things are reversed.

[NMRJock]

Originally Posted by Surferjer

Funny deal. Hilary could beat McCain, Barack-probably not (at least according to the most recent polls).

I disagree with this. I still don't think that Clinton is electable. She has supporters, of course, but she turns a lot of people off. I think that lots of Democrats would stay home if she were on the ballot. I think Obama actually has the charisma to get people to the polls.

Yet the Dems will put Barack on the ballot (I agree that they don't have a choice at this point unless they include Michigan and Florida delegates), and almost in explicably lose an election that was deemed unlosable just six months ago. Wow.

And for the third election in a row... When Kerry won the nomination in '04 I remember saying to my friend that the Democrats had put up the only person Bush could beat.

But how do you seat the MI delegates in a way that is fair? The Democrats pledged not to run there. Obama stayed off the ballot. Clinton went back on her word. Now she thinks she should get all those delegates?

[KingOfJericho]

Originally Posted by NMRJock

I disagree with this. I still don't think that Clinton is electable. She has supporters, of course, but she turns a lot of people off. I think that lots of Democrats would stay home if she were on the ballot. I think Obama actually has the charisma to get people to the polls.

Exactly. Remember, Rush Limbaugh was urging Republicans to vote for Hillary because she would be less electable in the general election.

[tandemracer]

Originally Posted by KingOfJericho

Exactly. Remember, Rush Limbaugh was urging Republicans to vote for Hillary because she would be less electable in the general election.

Wrong. Rush is urging Republicans to vote for Hillary just to create chaos and to string out the Democrat party primary process. It seems to be working.

[Kjakk]

I think that there are some cases where Republicans have been able to switch affiliation to independant to be able to cast a vote on the Democrat side. Most of these votes have been for Hillary. I wonder why?

I don't think that there is any question that a lot of people really, really hate Hillary, wheras the same can't really be said for Barack.

[Surferjer]

Originally Posted by NMRJock

I disagree with this. I still don't think that Clinton is electable. She has supporters, of course, but she turns a lot of people off. I think that lots of Democrats would stay home if she were on the ballot. I think Obama actually has the charisma to get people to the polls.

But how do you seat the MI delegates in a way that is fair? The Democrats pledged not to run there. Obama stayed off the ballot. Clinton went back on her word. Now she thinks she should get all those delegates?

Well, on the 1st paragraph I was simply referring to recent polls that showed Clinton a favorite against McCain. That's all.

On the 2nd-hey, I'm not saying it would be fair nor am I endorsing the Michigan delegates be counted. I'm only saying that it might be a way for the Dems to help themselves give the nomination to Clinton. Before there's an uproar, I'm not endorsing that either. I'm just saying that the Dems are boxed in and I was suggesting possible ways to change the outcome.

It doesn't really matter at this point, they've torn the party apart either way (unless they run on the same ticket) and probably won't win. They're both too pig-headed and stubborn to combine forces, have Hilary as the VP candidate, and actually have a chance to pull it off---but it might work if they did it. lol

[John]

When will Hillary shed her next tear?

[NMRJock]

Originally Posted by Surferjer

Well, on the 1st paragraph I was simply referring to recent polls that showed Clinton a favorite against McCain. That's all.

On the 2nd-hey, I'm not saying it would be fair nor am I endorsing the Michigan delegates be counted. I'm only saying that it might be a way for the Dems to help themselves give the nomination to Clinton. Before there's an uproar, I'm not endorsing that either. I'm just saying that the Dems are boxed in and I was suggesting possible ways to change the outcome.

It doesn't really matter at this point, they've torn the party apart either way (unless they run on the same ticket) and probably won't win. They're both too pig-headed and stubborn to combine forces, have Hilary as the VP candidate, and actually have a chance to pull it off---but it might work if they did it. lol

I hope you didn't take my reply to be combative in any way. I was just tossing in my opinion. I don't buy the poll numbers that suggest Clinton has a better shot than Obama. The MI delegate situation is a trainwreck.

I agree that the infighting going on during the primaries is going to cripple them in the general election.