Is Hilary finished?

[ezmoney]

Originally Posted by ivan1

didnt Monica Lewinsky comment on the Clinton "staying power" ?

I think the BLEW dress said it all!

[ezmoney]

It's over! She's finished! Hillary concedes that Obama has enough delegates to win the nomination!

[milehitom]

According to the AP:

"The former first lady will stop short of formally suspending or ending her race in her speech in New York City.

She will pledge to continue to speak out on issues like health care. But for all intents and purposes, the two senior officials said, the campaign is over."

But, according to MSNBC:

"The campaign quickly reacted to the report, saying that the AP report was incorrect and that Clinton would not concede the nomination tonight."

She's done...it's just that Harold Ickes can't face being out of a job.

I can't wait to hear this speech. Well played, Mr, Obama, well played...

Tom

[NMRJock]

Hmm...

Clinton not ready to concede race, her campaign chair says - CNN.com

Originally Posted by CNN

Sen. Hillary Clinton's is "absolutely not" prepared to concede the race for the Democratic presidential nomination to Sen. Barack Obama, her campaign chairman said.

[Rob T]

Of course there's always the chance that John McCain will select her as his running mate!

Jonathan Martin's Blog: McCain lavishes praise on Hillary, says she's inspired American women - Politico.com

[NMRJock]

The comments in that blog are priceless!

[Trainwreck]

I guess we will find out tonight if she is finished. She is rumored to be going to concede that Obama has enough delegates. After she admits that...who knows what she will say, the Clintons don't like to lose!!!

[mikester]

Originally Posted by Rob T

Of course there's always the chance that John McCain will select her as his running mate!

Jonathan Martin's Blog: McCain lavishes praise on Hillary, says she's inspired American women - Politico.com

Well, he's on top of his game for sure - ready to win -- in January

John McCain Plans To Win The Election In “January” » Oliver Willis

[Trainwreck]

Yep- Looks like the end is very near for her!!! Obama only 12 delegates away per CNN at this time. Super delegates switching and choosing Obama like crazy!!

[Flash G]

(AP) Barack Obama Clinches enough delegates to secure Democratic nomination.

Obama clinches nomination, plans celebration

(It's now officially over for Hillary.)


.

[LARRY]

Thanks for the good try Hilary.

I'd still like to see a woman in the White House.

Someday.

[ivan1]

Originally Posted by Flash G

(AP) Barack Obama Clinches enough delegates to secure Democratic nomination.

Obama clinches nomination, plans celebration

(It's now officially over for Hillary.)


.

isnt it "officially" not over until the convention? I thought that superdelgates and even pledged delegates can change their mind until then...just a technicality, not that I expect that to happen....

[Dmbrown34]

I dont think its over for Hilary...there is VP

[Trainwreck]

Originally Posted by LARRY

Thanks for the good try Hilary.

I'd still like to see a woman in the White House.

Someday.

Me, too- Larry! People just were not ready for a strong woman!

[glb]

Clinton would make a decent vp, but wouldn't be MY first choice. I really like Richardson: amazing resume, history of success, not divisive.

I do like Edwards. Might he end up as AG?

If Clinton does become vp, for political or other reasons, she could certainly be useful and is good at both crossing over and infighting. She is incredibly smart, for sure.

I have a friend who is the energy "guy" for a major car company. He has great (i.e. depressing) stories about discussing energy with various politicians (who I am not allowed to mention). He said Clinton knew WAY more about these issue than any other pol.

Of course, this knowledge didn't stop her (or anyone else) from touting ethanol as the "answer".


Next point: I am extremely disappointed in this Congress's farm bill. It is no better than what we've seen before and is clearly pandering. This isn't rocket surgery and a good bill would have been easy to create. (Stop all subsidies for non-family owned farms and/or those that make >$500,000, for example.)

Subsidies hurt the entire world and it's farmers, esp in Africa and less developed countries. If we would stop them, Europe would follow and poor farmers world-wide would have a chance to sell their crops on an equal footing/basis.

We know how hard family farms are to run, so pricing them out of competition is unconscionable. Locally-grown crops often stress the environment less.


Next Point: One of our friends on this thread mis-stated some things about Republican "diversity" and how civil rights legislation got passed.

I just wish to mention what LBJ's "War on Poverty" and civil rights push cost him and his party, from today's ppr.

"After signing the Civil Rights Act in 1964, Johnson was defeated in 5 Southern states, four of which Democrats had not lost for 80 years.

"In 1965, he drove the Voting Rights Act thru Congress, and in 1966, he proposed legislation to end discrimination in housing.

"In the 1966 midterm elections, Democrats lost 47 seats in the House and 3 in the Senate. Border-state & Southern Democratic governors and members of Congress demanded that he withdraw his housing proposal and curb his efforts to desegregate schools. Undeterred, in 1968, he pushed the Fair Housing Act thru Congress"

Paraphrased: Johnson knew how to reach across the aisle and courted Republican members of Congress to support his proposals, not only because he needed their votes, but because he saw bipartisan support as the essential foundation on which to build a lasting commitment among Americans.

Reagan used to meet regularly with Tip O'Neill to get stuff done.

Lincoln had a cabinet that sort of didn't like him...or each other.

I truly hope that the divisiveness of the last 7 years (and, on Congress's part, 4 yrs before that) can be pushed aside by our next President and Congress.

[glb]

As there is no thread titled “Is McCain Finished?” or “Is McCain even Sane?” I guess I should post this here.

According to today’s paper, polling indicates that proposals seen as Republican are nationally met with some less than genial acceptance. (From Repub pollster David Winston)

If you look at voter registration during the primaries, yes even the early ones b4 McCain was chosen, Republicans lost a huge number of voters and Democratic gains were even more shockingly large. (Even in historically Republican areas such as the one in which I live.)

If you look at money raised by candidates and parties, by most measures Democrats are well ahead.

Republicans have a severely damaged “brand” as many of them have said over the past month.

McCain cannot distance himself too far from Bush lest he lose the “base”. But, if he doesn’t, he will be seen (not totally justifiably) as Bush II.

David Brooks, the resident NYT rightish columnist:

“McCain’s problem is that his party is unfit to govern. [Here he cites Winston] Of the GOP sponsored the sunrise, voters would prefer gloom. Many Repubs are under the illusion that they are in trouble because they’ve betrayed their core principles. The sad truth is that if they’d been more conservative, they’d be even further behind.”

He goes on to say how for years he’s been looking for conservative economic experts with remedies for the middle class economic anxiety. He found none; they are all on the Democratic/Liberal side. Therefore, he says, “McCain is forced to run in an intellectual void”.

Now, given that the US is mostly concerned now with the economy and Iraq, this would appear to be pretty bad news for McCain, who is on the wrong side of both issues.

Some national polling indicates a rather small gap between Obama and McCain. After both candidates undergo more and more examination, and after McCain is forced to debate Obama, this anomaly will shrink and the gap will inevitably widen.

Last, there has been a lot of press lately about Phil Gramm, McCain’s chief advisor and Gramm’s lobbying and ties to legislation to prevent early oversight/mending of the housing crisis. Gramm apparently has been taking a lot of $ from banks and companies that also do a lot of (perhaps illegal) business with our enemies, and emerging evidence of unsavory, perhaps illegal, offshore accounts.

I would humbly like to mention that I covered some of this on the “Secrets of the Housing Crisis” thread here a while ago.

I would also suggest that potential McCain supporters take a look at which lobbyists have been working for him, what they were involved in and why they had to resign.

Apologies for making this entry too long…

[apk919]

She doesn't think so...

[LARRY]

Yes, she does....give her a break, it's over...

[ivan1]

didnt sound like it from her speech....

[climb4fun]

SHE'S.. ALIVE...!!!!!