Is Hilary finished?

[NMRJock]

Originally Posted by John

I had a decent number of gay friends when I lived in DC, and it was a complete non-issue to most of them. On the flip side, the GOP made it an issue out of the blue to rile up extreme conservatives and to divert attention away from other things that were going on. Pretty sad.

Most of my gay friends aren't interested in getting married either. That said, if they were, why not let them? If I were a politician I'd phrase it "Why prevent them from doing so?" Re-reading my post I wish I'd have said 'the same legal commitment that I do,' but I think everybody got my point.

[pianomaniac]

Originally Posted by NMRJock

Most of my gay friends aren't interested in getting married either. That said, if they were, why not let them? If I were a politician I'd phrase it "Why prevent them from doing so?" Re-reading my post I wish I'd have said 'the same legal commitment that I do,' but I think everybody got my point.

....because most tax paying American's don't approve of gay sex and therefore don't believe that they should be forced to pay for entitlements designed for married couples.

[carlover]

-Huck is my choice. Seems to be the most honest (perhaps tied with RP)
-RP seems like a great guy, but is too emotional
-Romney is full of sh!t. Has not maintained his stance on hardly anything. He is a wimp, and a typical politician. Send him home
-McCain. A little too right wing. What is growing from the left side of his jaw. Does he have an unrevealed cancer?
-Hillary is a lunatic
-Obama is inexperienced

[raggedy1]

Todd, I like you're attitude. It's refreshing to read in comparison to my cynical views. Thanks (really).

Keith, you say "make smart decisions" and "help those who truly need it..."
It's all a matter of perspective. A conservative to a liberal is a fascist while a liberal to a conservative is deemed an anarchist. Your "smart decisions" could be my "idiotic decisions."

Ugh. I always vote in presidential elections but the candidates have never been weaker IMHO. I don't vote the party lines.

[wallabyguy]

+1 for Huckabee.

His policy on most issues are in line with my thinking. I like the idea of a Fair Tax. I don't know if he can actually make it happen though. He has experience and a goopd track record. He knows how to handle himself and, as said before, think on his feet. I like his attitude. While he is a pastor, he's not running on that. Obviously he can't be too far right wing if the evangelicals think he's too liberal.

It will be interesting to see how the next few states vote.

[pianomaniac]

Maybe we should write in Pat Paulson again. At least he could do one thing good for the country. He makes wine!

[Conan]

Originally Posted by carlover

-Obama is inexperienced

I keep seeing this as the supposed knock against Obama. If that's the only big negative against him, I'd say he's a pretty damn good candidate. Of all the candidates from both major parties, he's the one I like the best, with Ron Paul being a close second. I actually like the sound of "inexperienced." It tells me the Machine hasn't had as much time to twist and corrupt his mind.

DISCLAIMER: I am NOT a democrat, I am a Libertarian. Of the two major parties, I side more with the Republicans.

[Eye Candy]

Originally Posted by Conan

I keep seeing this as the supposed knock against Obama. If that's the only big negative against him, I'd say he's a pretty damn good candidate. Of all the candidates from both major parties, he's the one I like the best, with Ron Paul being a close second. I actually like the sound of "inexperienced." It tells me the Machine hasn't had as much time to twist and corrupt his mind.

DISCLAIMER: I am NOT a democrat, I am a Libertarian. Of the two major parties, I side more with the Republicans.

Well, for example he would bomb Pakistan without their permission to get to Bin Laden.

Things were better when the farmers ran the country. They were in a hurry to get things done and get back to their fields.

[Flash G]

Originally Posted by carlover

-Obama is inexperienced

I don't get this?

Experience is no substitute for good judgment. He has a very impressive record outside of politics. Why do Americans think only professional politicians can run the country?

BA from Columbia University where he majored in political science with a specialization in international relations.

Graduated magna cum laude with his law degree from Harvard.

Elected President of the Harvard Law Review.

Constitutional law lecturer at the University of Chicago Law School.

Eight years as an Illinois State Senator

Three years as a U.S. Senator

I'd put that up against the current occupant of the White House.

Originally Posted by Eye Candy

Well, for example he would bomb Pakistan without their permission to get to Bin Laden.

Who wouldn't? And "bomb" is the wrong term. Would I use a drone or guided missile to take out Osama in Pakistan without first notifying the Pakistanis? Absolutely.



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[slaughtr]

One of the things I have against Obama is his record of not taking a firm stance on many issues.

This is from a NY Times article:

In 1999, Barack Obama was faced with a difficult vote in the Illinois legislature — to support a bill that would let some juveniles be tried as adults, a position that risked drawing fire from African-Americans, or to oppose it, possibly undermining his image as a tough-on-crime moderate.

In the end, Mr. Obama chose neither to vote for nor against the bill. He voted “present,” effectively sidestepping the issue, an option he invoked nearly 130 times as a state senator....

The article goes on here.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/20/us...s/20obama.html

[ivan1]

seems Giuliani has dropped off the radar....

[scottyb]

Originally Posted by Eye Candy

...Things were better when the farmers ran the country. They were in a hurry to get things done and get back to their fields.

Really?

I kind of remember a peanut farmer named Jimmy Carter.

[MikeAR303]

Originally Posted by ivan1

seems Giuliani has dropped off the radar....

He's probably secluded in a dark underground chamber full of duct tape with the walls covered in pictures of himself at ground zero quietly whispering "nine eleven" over and over again while the speakers installed in the ceiling announce "TERROR ALERT ORANGE" every 5 minutes or so.

[scottyb]

Originally Posted by ivan1

seems Giuliani has dropped off the radar....

That's why Bloomberg is getting in. Giuliani won't getthe nomination. However a Bloomberg Giuliani Ticket could be interesting.

[wallabyguy]

Originally Posted by ivan1

seems Giuliani has dropped off the radar....

I had high hopes for him but he has fallen off the face of the earth in recent weeks........

[JWA]

Don't know if it's true, but there are reports from people who were there that the Clinton campaign planted the guys and staged it. I must say though, that was the first time I've seen Hillary speak as a real person, which was nice.

[pianomaniac]

Originally Posted by slaughtr

One of the things I have against Obama is his record of not taking a firm stance on many issues.

This is from a NY Times article:

In 1999, Barack Obama was faced with a difficult vote in the Illinois legislature — to support a bill that would let some juveniles be tried as adults, a position that risked drawing fire from African-Americans, or to oppose it, possibly undermining his image as a tough-on-crime moderate.

In the end, Mr. Obama chose neither to vote for nor against the bill. He voted “present,” effectively sidestepping the issue, an option he invoked nearly 130 times as a state senator....

The article goes on here.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/20/us...s/20obama.html

If a politician can't make a "yes" or "no" decision, he/she isn't doing his/her job and should lose the position to one with an opinion,IMHO. Too much dead weight hiding in the government.

[Eye Candy]

Originally Posted by Flash G

I don't get this?




Who wouldn't? And "bomb" is the wrong term. Would I use a drone or guided missile to take out Osama in Pakistan without first notifying the Pakistanis? Absolutely.



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Well, it was a hypothetical question, and for his answer he was universally criticized from both sides of the aisle. Very JV answer.
OTOH, in real life Bill Clinton had Obama in the gunsights and failed to pull the trigger, with the government's approval where he was hiding out. So I guess you would have to list him as one "who wouldn't".

Both Obama and Huckabee seem very likeable at least.

[pianomaniac]

Originally Posted by wallabyguy

I had high hopes for him but he has fallen off the face of the earth in recent weeks........

He believes that Iowa and NH aren't worth his time and effort. He is waiting to take the country by storm on Super Tuesday. I just can't take him seriously and can't help seeing him in a bra/panties with a whip.

[MickOpalak]

Originally Posted by John

As for him speaking out against evolution, haven't heard that and honestly find it hard to believe that's the case. Again, if anything, likely words out of context.

I saw a video on YouTube of him speaking about it at length.