Jimmy Carter steals Jackson and Sharpton's thunder

[cy9]

My Way News - Jimmy Carter: Wilson comments 'based on racism'

Add Jimmy Carter to the current list of race hustling poverty pimps.

[dwkoski]

Add? Add??? He's one of the originals. I remember his presidency (if you could call it that), probably THE worst in US history...Dave

[Cardinal]

It's nice of good ol' Jimmy to remind us exactly why he was a one-term hack. bin Laden just recommended his book via audiotape, so he's in good company.

[RoadDad]

Originally Posted by dwkoski

Add? Add??? He's one of the originals. I remember his presidency (if you could call it that), probably THE worst in US history...Dave

Come on. Jimmy was responsible for an entirely new automobile part.

I loved sitting in those 3 hour long gas lines trying to make sure no one was stealing gas from our tank with a siphon hose. I lost that guard job when the locking gas cap came about.

Thanks Jimmy .

[Chris Mackey]

Given how little time Obama has been in office, I often wonder why his critics are so vociferous. And forget the substantive issues; I know why people are worked up about health care and other big issues.

But seriously, what is this "secret Muslim" business? The birth certificate nonsense?

Where were the teabaggers during the Bush years? All of a sudden government spending is out of control? I guess the teabaggers must have loved Clinton. No, that's not it. Reagan was no fiscal conservative, either.

Something else is going on. I think Jimmy Carter is right. I think there are people amongst us who hate Obama because he's black, pure and simple. But you can't say that publicly. But you can call him a litany of other things, like "Socialist", "secret Muslim", "Kenyan", "liar", etc.

What exactly makes Obama a worse liar than any other politician (or human)? Why single him out, Joe Wilson? Glass houses, all that.

No doubt, there are many reasons to dislike Obama. I didn't vote for the guy, and I probably won't in 2012. The amount of bile being spewed at the guy is just irrational, though.

In 8 months of work, Obama has somehow inspired more angst than 8 years of Bush, who I consider to be a colossal disaster. Iraq, Katrina, faith based spending, huge debts, erosion of rights, failure to bag bin Laden and a trillion embarrassing misquotes and back rubs.

[Cardinal]

Obama is is building a government that spends more money and is farther-reaching than any US government before. Bush planted the seeds, and Obama is dumping water and fertilizer on them. Bush wasn't a true conservative, as he had the biggest government ever. Bush planted those seeds years ago, and Obama is fertilizing and watering them.

[Lotus Fury]

I also agree that a lot of the anger towards Obama is racially based. There's also a lot of stupidity when it comes to extremist, right or left.

Revealed: What the 9/12 D.C. Tea Party March Was Really About | The Public Record

It's amazing how much people will believe without looking into what they are protesting against. Look at the Czar bit, they quite correctly understand the etymology of the word, yet they have no idea about the current context of the word or what those people do.

It's a problem with both parties, lie as much as possible about the other party. Everything is someone else's fault. We expect responsibility from "the other group" but with those in our own party we allow leniency. Take Joe Wilson - had he been a Democrat yelling at Bush then Rush/Beck/etc would have called for his head. Now those same people are treating him as a folk hero. Ugh.

I hate this crap. I say term limits of 1 term. No more. We are the only country in the world that consistently elects incumbents. No wonder we get the same issues and arguments over and over again. It's pure stupidity. We can't solve any of our base issues because our politicians are too busy getting reelected to give a crap about what they were elected to do. We keep electing more and more extreme people. What the hell do we expect?

[fishguy]

Originally Posted by Lotus Fury

I also agree that a lot of the anger towards Obama is racially based. There's also a lot of stupidity when it comes to extremist, right or left.

Revealed: What the 9/12 D.C. Tea Party March Was Really About | The Public Record

It's amazing how much people will believe without looking into what they are protesting against. Look at the Czar bit, they quite correctly understand the etymology of the word, yet they have no idea about the current context of the word or what those people do.

It's a problem with both parties, lie as much as possible about the other party. Everything is someone else's fault. We expect responsibility from "the other group" but with those in our own party we allow leniency. Take Joe Wilson - had he been a Democrat yelling at Bush then Rush/Beck/etc would have called for his head. Now those same people are treating him as a folk hero. Ugh.

I hate this crap. I say term limits of 1 term. No more. We are the only country in the world that consistently elects incumbents. No wonder we get the same issues and arguments over and over again. It's pure stupidity. We can't solve any of our base issues because our politicians are too busy getting reelected to give a crap about what they were elected to do. We keep electing more and more extreme people. What the hell do we expect?

from a middle of the road independant.

[Chris Mackey]

Originally Posted by Cardinal

Obama is is building a government that spends more money and is farther-reaching than any US government before. Bush planted the seeds, and Obama is dumping water and fertilizer on them. Bush wasn't a true conservative, as he had the biggest government ever. Bush planted those seeds years ago, and Obama is fertilizing and watering them.

Assuming this is true and represents your opinions...how do you remember Bill Clinton? Wasn't he the only president in living memory to preside over a series of smaller deficits?

[evomind]

so every time someone raps the president its automatically racist?
obama was so built up thanks to the media that i think people expected miracles. once he got in office it was fairly clear what we had is a man with hope but the experience of a neighborhood activist and a 3 year senator.
i realize the man inherited a very tough job but he campaigned for it.
every other president has been bashed by folks, now if someone bashes obama its racist. figures. part of me believes its a tactic being used so no one says anything bad abt the president.
speaking of racist, i believe he carried 99% of the black vote and A MAJORITY of the white vote. where is the racism?
sorry, obama will be bashed like every other president before him. cant hide behind the race card on that one.

[fishguy]

Originally Posted by Chris Mackey

how do you remember Bill Clinton?

wasnt he the guy who claimed to be "the first black president"?

I am not sure if its even OK to point out, but IIRC, wasnt he sort of............... white?

where were the cries of racialism then?

[Cardinal]

Originally Posted by Chris Mackey

Assuming this is true and represents your opinions...how do you remember Bill Clinton? Wasn't he the only president in living memory to preside over a series of smaller deficits?

Clinton was the guy who revised/revived Carter's failed Community Reinvestment Act, banned red-lining, pushed Congress to deregulate Wall St., and signed the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act into law. Without the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, Wall St. wouldn't have been able to perpetrate fraud on such a massive scale, and there's a better than great chance that our economy would be in much better shape today. Credit Default Swaps were legalized in 1999, and were the main source of Lehman Bros' failure. A CDS is sort of the equivalent of betting the DON'T PASS BAR on a craps table. Yes, he had a surplus at the end AFAIK, and lots of people generally liked him. However, his chickens came home to roost when the financial market collapsed. The only thing is that he was no longer around to take his share of the blame.

[Lotus Fury]

Originally Posted by evomind

so every time someone raps the president its automatically racist?
....
sorry, obama will be bashed like every other president before him. cant hide behind the race card on that one.

He hasn't been in office that long and look at all the hate. He has barely done anything. Racism does play a part. Is behind everything? No. He has passed the Stimulus & is working on the really controversial health care. Those are good reasons to not like him. But damn, there's way more hate for him than those two topics alone. The vast majority of the bailouts occurred before he was even elected yet he gets blames for it. Bush started "Government Motors", Obama just finished it off.

I agree we need to criticize/protest/etc him when he does something we don't like. But it would be nice if it was actually something he really did...

[Cardinal]

Originally Posted by Lotus Fury

I agree we need to criticize/protest/etc him when he does something we don't like. But it would be nice if it was actually something he really did...

Cap & Trade and his Health Care give the government more control than they have ever had. People are scared of that, and rightly so IMO. The fact that Goldman Sachs are the ones who are actually selling the carbon credits should make everyone's skin crawl. Also, it's not just Obama that people are protesting. It's Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Waxman, Frank, Waters, Boxer, Hoyer, and the rest of them. I have several friends who went to the DC tea party, and the only thing different between then and now, is the Administration. Their opinions haven't changed.

[Chris Mackey]

Originally Posted by Cardinal

The only thing is that he (Bill Clinton) was no longer around to take his share of the blame.

You're right, of course. However this generalization can be made about all administrations and their predecessors. If things in Iraq suddenly make a serious turn for the worst, the Obama apologists will simply blame Bush for initiating the problem.

If overturning Glass-Steagal was such a bad idea, why didn't the Bush administration reinstate it? Bush shares as much blame as Clinton since he had several years to change the law...

Anyway, blame is easy to pass around. My original point is simple: Obama gets lots of blame for things he hasn't really had time to address. I understand that many of his policy ideas are bogus, and I don't like most of them. If you disagree with Obama for this reason, fine with me.

If someone calls him a "secret Muslim" or a "Kenyan", I can only assume that person is guilty of expressing veiled racism.

[Lotus Fury]

It would be nice if the Cap & Trade system would work but I sure don't see it working as planned. Like the article you posted showing the costs and also the fact that Europe's plan isn't doing much to help reduce the net amount of CO2 released into the atmosphere.

[evomind]

Originally Posted by Lotus Fury

He hasn't been in office that long and look at all the hate. He has barely done anything. Racism does play a part. Is behind everything? No. He has passed the Stimulus & is working on the really controversial health care. Those are good reasons to not like him. But damn, there's way more hate for him than those two topics alone. The vast majority of the bailouts occurred before he was even elected yet he gets blames for it. Bush started "Government Motors", Obama just finished it off.

I agree we need to criticize/protest/etc him when he does something we don't like. But it would be nice if it was actually something he really did...

im not saying hes right, wrong, or anywhere in between. im just saying as president thats the nature of the beast, no?
again, i believe so much hope was placed on him that the fact the man hasnt worked miracles leads to frustration due to all the economic woes.
im not saying "its his fault," who the heck knows whose fault anything is anymore but people looked to him to fix everything.
until the economy is back on track and people are back to work and not losing their homes, folks will continue to be frustrated.
black, white, yellow, or from mars.

[Lotus Fury]

I agree. The hype was way too much to live up to. And yeah, no matter your skin color, religion, etc you become President you become the target of every pundit out there.

[Cardinal]

Originally Posted by Chris Mackey

You're right, of course. However this generalization can be made about all administrations and their predecessors. If things in Iraq suddenly make a serious turn for the worst, the Obama apologists will simply blame Bush for initiating the problem.

If overturning Glass-Steagal was such a bad idea, why didn't the Bush administration reinstate it? Bush shares as much blame as Clinton since he had several years to change the law...

He didn't do anything because Wall St. and firms like Goldman Sachs are too powerful, and he was afraid to face them. Once power like that is set in motion, it's extremely difficult to stop. It's sort of like inertia. It's much easier to sign that bill into law than to repeal it. Obama's speech to Wall St. was nice, but it was theater. Unless Congress and some President step up and control the financial super-giants with the laws we had before, ANY President's speech is lip service. I'd love Obama to repeal GLB, and I hope he does, but I'm not sure he'd even consider it. Overturning GS was a terrible idea, and I'm not sure anyone could defend it, especially in light of what's happened.

Anyway, blame is easy to pass around. My original point is simple: Obama gets lots of blame for things he hasn't really had time to address. I understand that many of his policy ideas are bogus, and I don't like most of them. If you disagree with Obama for this reason, fine with me.

If someone calls him a "secret Muslim" or a "Kenyan", I can only assume that person is guilty of expressing veiled racism.

I don't understand why someone would call the President a liar in joint session. Calling him a secret muslim or Kenyan or whatever isn't veiled racism IMO; it's overt. Saying stupid things like that muddy the waters for real debate. They weaken the legitimate points made on the right by giving the left a red herring to focus on. The more people focus on race, the less they focus on what counts. It's misdirection.

[ivan1]

A lot of former presidents have done great, worthwhile things for this country after they left office. Even Biil Clinton

Jimmy Carter is not one of them. He becomes more bizarre and irrelevant every year.