Jimmy Carter steals Jackson and Sharpton's thunder

[Lotus Fury]

Originally Posted by cy9

The racism card is a purposed distraction made by weak minded cowards and the fools who listen to them.

So is the reverse Racism Card & Socialism card. Both sides do it. Name calling and fighting over minute details take away from the larger debate - is what they are doing right for the country?

Originally Posted by cy9

Can you find an instance of a racial slogan on a sign from one of the protests?

Do you think it's that hard? A simple Google search will find tons.


Those are the *******s that make the rest of us Republicans look like idiots. That's why people have been dumping the Republican party. Other than the South, Republicans have little traction. At this point we won't be able to field ANY candidate against Obama in 2012. Independants are fleeing Democrats but they aren't going Republican. They are staying away entirely. We're now at less than 30% of the population. What does 30% get us? A prize at the fair? Until we steer the party back to a more moderate footing we won't win anything at the national level. Ever. The worst thing we can do is continue down the path we are on now.

[cy9]

Originally Posted by Lotus Fury

Do you think it's that hard? A simple Google search will find tons.

Looks like a photoshop job to me.

[Chris Mackey]

Originally Posted by cy9

Looks like a photoshop job to me.

Really? Really?

Wouldn't it be easier to say, "Yeah, some who oppose Obama are racists"? Let us have that point and we can close this thread. We'll start a new thread about the substantive issues that YOU want to talk about.

[cy9]

Originally Posted by Chris Mackey

I don't know if that counts. Witch-doctors come from many different places. Regardless, it doesn't necessarily equate inferiority based on color.

[cy9]

Originally Posted by Chris Mackey

From a teabag party:

That is most definitely racism.

[apk919]

Just a thought for those of you who use the terms "teabag party" or "teabagger"...

Do you understand the origin of the slang? Do you realize that by using it you're engaging in inferring the sexual orientation/practices of the protesters?

Would it be OK to call a protest held by a GLBT group a "teabag party"?

Just checking...

[Cardinal]

Originally Posted by slaughtr

What's that supposed to mean Cardinal? Sounds racist to me.

Damn, you got me.

[Rob T]

Originally Posted by mopho

You didn't address it, you tried to spin it to put the blame on your opposition This isn't about me, I wasn't complaining about Bush's spending, nor am I suggesting that Obama's spending is right or wrong.

You claim conservatives were "universally opposed" to Bush's spending, well again, where were all the conservative threads complaining about it? I mean, yeah, I saw a few people post in some threads that they were not happy about it and then complain more about Obama (most defended Bush) but I didn't see any conservatives starting threads in anger about Bush's spending. I didn't see any conservatives marching on Washington either. Where were the teabaggers?

You say you don't understand the allegation, but it seems clear as day to me that there is a double standard (not saying it's racism or not)

Ok, you can think it is a double standard all you want, but it does not make it so.

As far as people not marching in the streets against Bush's spending, I will, for the third time, refer you to the video that I posted. The point is simple: Bush's spending was bad; Obama's spending is astonishing by comparison. Astonishing enough to make people start marching in the streets.

I do find it amusing that you will not even take a stand on whether or not Obama's spending is "right or wrong".

[Cardinal]

Originally Posted by Chris Mackey

Really? Really?

Wouldn't it be easier to say, "Yeah, some who oppose Obama are racists"? Let us have that point and we can close this thread. We'll start a new thread about the substantive issues that YOU want to talk about.

Yeah, some of them believe whites are better. Some of them believe that UFOs have visited Earth, and that God made the Universe by snapping his fingers. So what? What exactly does your point prove? Absolutely nothing. There are individual racists everywhere. It's a totally moot point, and doesn't change the issues raised by the vast majority of the tea party protesters, and those opposed by Obama's policies. Besides, your point does not mirror what Carter said; Carter used terms much stronger than "some."

[Moto44]

Allow me to attempt to cut to the chase here:

A good number of people are unhappy with president Obama.

They are angered at attempts to discredit the reason for their disapproval as being racially motivated.

Although many understand that legitimate racism still exists in this country, they are tired of it being used as a crutch and an excuse.

Yes?

[Cardinal]

Originally Posted by Moto44

Allow me to attempt to cut to the chase here:

A good number of people are unhappy with president Obama.

They are angered at attempts to discredit the reason for their disapproval as being racially motivated.

Although many understand that legitimate racism still exists in this country, they are tired of it being used as a crutch and an excuse.

Yes?

I agree with that.

[Chris Mackey]

YouTube - 9.12 DC TEA PARTY - MARCH FOOTAGE WITH INTERVIEWS

[Cardinal]

Originally Posted by Chris Mackey

Pointless.

[Rob T]

Originally Posted by Moto44

Allow me to attempt to cut to the chase here:

A good number of people are unhappy with president Obama.

They are angered at attempts to discredit the reason for their disapproval as being racially motivated.

Although many understand that legitimate racism still exists in this country, they are tired of it being used as a crutch and an excuse.

Yes?

I may not have used the exact words that you use here, but overall, yes, I agree with this.

[Chris Mackey]

Originally Posted by Cardinal

Yeah, some of them believe whites are better. Some of them believe that UFOs have visited Earth, and that God made the Universe by snapping his fingers. So what? What exactly does your point prove? Absolutely nothing. There are individual racists everywhere. It's a totally moot point, and doesn't change the issues raised by the vast majority of the tea party protesters, and those opposed by Obama's policies. Besides, your point does not mirror what Carter said; Carter used terms much stronger than "some."

My only strong opinion about it is the fact that racism is really spoiling any meaningful conversation we'll have about the future of our country. Loud nutjobs screaming about stupid issues like "birth certificates" and "Kenyans" are quite destructive to the discourse.

It gets hard to tell the sincere, well meaning conservatives from the others. Fox News doesn't help by misreporting the size of the events these people attend. CNN and MSNBC feed the madness but giving these people too much attention.

[Chris Mackey]

Originally Posted by Cardinal

Pointless.

But fun

[mopho]

Originally Posted by Rob T

Ok, you can think it is a double standard all you want, but it does not make it so.

As far as people not marching in the streets against Bush's spending, I will, for the third time, refer you to the video that I posted. The point is simple: Bush's spending was bad; Obama's spending is astonishing by comparison. Astonishing enough to make people start marching in the streets.

I do find it amusing that you will not even take a stand on whether or not Obama's spending is "right or wrong".

I find it amusing that you are trying to bait me into taking a stand

Why do I need to take a stand? Sorry, but I have no interest in discussing the politics of it ( only to get ganged up on by a bunch of rabid conservatives who somehow "think" they actually know what's really going on ), it's a stupid waste of time

It's much more fun to point out the hypocrisy of some people here


As far as your video is concerned, it is bit biased don't you think? It's completely based on spending over 8 years, hmm, Obama has barely even been in office for 8 months. Oh right, it's estimated spending, the money has not actually been spent It also ignores the booger of a recession that was flicked on Obama (note that I am not blaming Bush for it). Bush was well on his way to spending his way out of the recession too, but his term ended before he had a chance to finish the job.

Ok, you can think it is a double standard all you want, but it does not make it so.

Ok, so because you refuse to see it, it's not true?
Hate to break it to you, I may have responded to your post because you put fourth the question, but my observation was not based on just you



.

[Cardinal]

Originally Posted by Chris Mackey

But fun

[Rob T]

Originally Posted by mopho

I find it amusing that you are trying to bait me into taking a stand

Why do I need to take a stand? Sorry, but I have no interest in discussing the politics of it ( only to get ganged up on by a bunch of rabid conservatives who somehow "think" they actually know what's really going on ), it's a stupid waste of time

Yeah, God forbid that you should actually *gasp* take a stand on something in a political discussion!

It's much more fun to point out the hypocrisy of some people here

But you have not done that.

As far as your video is concerned, it is bit biased don't you think? It's completely based on spending over 8 years, hmm, Obama has barely even been in office for 8 months. Oh right, it's estimated spending, the money has not actually been spent It also ignores the booger of a recession that was flicked on Obama (note that I am not blaming Bush for it). Bush was well on his way to spending his way out of the recession too, but his term ended before he had a chance to finish the job.

It's based on the Obama Administration's own estimates! How exactly is that "biased"?

I do agree with you about Bush starting to spend his way out of the recession too, which was disgusting. He notoriously said after he was out of office: "I abandoned my conservative principles"!

Ok, so because you refuse to see it, it's not true?
Hate to break it to you, I may have responded to your post because you put fourth the question, but my observation was not based on just you

Fair enough. I can only account for myself and other conservatives that I have discussed these issues with, and I can promise you that there has been plenty of criticism of Bush's spending policies.

I also gave you other specific examples of conservatives criticism of Bush, including SCHIP, the Prescription Drug Plan, No Child Left Behind, the nomination of Harriet Myers to the Supreme Court, and amnesty for illegal aliens.

Again, as mentioned before, Bush is not a conservative.

[Cardinal]

Michael Steele comments on the race issue:

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