MMA -anyone else a fan? Post some thoughts/Vids!

[Morty]

These are two guys that used to work for me and also at a local comedy club . They both moved to LA and are doing a ton of comercials and other small things. If you like MMA this is too funny!

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[VisualEchos]

Originally Posted by the1sen

It has changed for the better since the days of Royce and Shamrock fighting for 2 hours...

I agree with you to an extent, but this new version of sport-fighting has its problems too.

Originally Posted by the1sen

Did you see this knockout?

I did, and I love how the commentator knew what Ong Bak was!

Originally Posted by the1sen

I think Forrest knows he is in for a beating...

I agree, but I don't think he minds, especially since he's going to get beat-up by the person considered by many to be the best lb-for-lb fighter in the world.

Originally Posted by the1sen

Anderson Silva is a machine and trains to win at his game. He's a fighting man's champion and I appreciate his style.

Game being the operative word here. I have much respect for Anderson, but still feel he's a dodger, and once GSP got him on the ground (a certainty), he'd simply never get up. GSP is a controller, Anderson is not.

Originally Posted by the1sen

Silva is a class act and I am certain he meant NO disrespect to any other fighter or the fans by doing what he did.

I agree.

Originally Posted by the1sen

Mir is obsessed with winning.

But he's past his prime.

Originally Posted by ItsThaMonsta

Fighters cant enter the ring right after weigh in. It would be stupid and dangerous. At weigh in these fighters have just finished cutting weight. Most are completely dehydrated and need the extra time to rehydrate and let their bodies recover from the actual cut.

Why have weight classes when no one comes in to fight at the correct weight? It's a disgrace to the sport really. If your "walking around" weight isn't within 10 lbs of your "fight weight" you should pick another weight class.

[Agent ONE]

I love MMA. Silva is good, not over-rated at all.

[the1sen]

Originally Posted by VisualEchos

I agree with you to an extent, but this new version of sport-fighting has its problems too.

Yes - one being that the fights are SOMETIMES stopped too soon. Another being the stand-up rule. Another being the 5 minute rounds. All in all, these rules make for a well timed event so that people can be sure to catch a decent 2 hour show. It may not be the best way to measure the best fighters, because some fighters come alive in later rounds, like Rocky Balboa...

I did, and I love how the commentator knew what Ong Bak was!

Me too! Tony Ja rocks.

I agree, but I don't think he minds, especially since he's going to get beat-up by the person considered by many to be the best lb-for-lb fighter in the world.

Indeed - and Forrest may just surprise folks, although I am not holding my breath. Anderson VS Rampage - now that has black on black hate crime written all over it.

Game being the operative word here. I have much respect for Anderson, but still feel he's a dodger, and once GSP got him on the ground (a certainty), he'd simply never get up. GSP is a controller, Anderson is not.

I don't see him as a dodger - I see him nearing the end of his career and being unwilling to evolve the way many of the best fighters do - GSP VS Penn II is an example of evolution.

Control in a wrestling world and working in a Jiu Jitsu world are very different. GSP would not be able to manhandle Anderson as he did Penn

But he's past his prime.

Mir lost a lot of himself in that bike wreck. I think he is nearing the end of his prime, but not over the hill quite yet. I hope he is able to follow through on his obsession for at least another year.

Anyone catch the Nick Diaz Frank Shamrock fight? For such a loudmouth, Diaz was awful classy at the end of the fight.

[the1sen]

MMA Live 51 From ESPN | MMA Root

Anyone else see this kid? I'd hate to see the guy get hurt, but damn he's got heart.

[VisualEchos]

Wow, I hadn't seen that, trippy.

[the1sen]

I was also interested in the commentary they made regarding GSP moving up to 185 for a preliminary fight, and then to challenge Anderson Silva for the title.

BJ Penn Vs Florian is a very interesting rematch to have.

GSP Vs Thialgo Alvez

Nick Diaz Vs Smith will be a FUN fight!

Florian Vs Diego Sanchez is coming - just past BJ Penn...

[ItsThaMonsta]

Originally Posted by the1sen

I don't mean any disrespect to those fighters who cut 40 pounds before a fight... However, that is just NOT a smart way to fight. It's beyond ridiculous.

If you are being PAID to fight, you should be reasonably within fighting weight. Guys who can't or don't do that need to take things more seriously. Do you think GSP gets up to 220 and then cuts down to 170? 185, maybe...

I have cut as much as 15 pounds when I was in High School over the course of a week to help the team. I am not alone.

If you were an athlete then you should know. Losing weight and cutting weight is not the same. I dont know if you are getting that confused. The point to cutting weight is to cut it as close to the weigh-in as possible so that you can gain it all right back. Even cutting 10 pounds can be bad for you if you have to fight right at that point. Most weight is cut by simply dehydrating yourself purposely. ALL good fighters do this. De la hoya had a bad weight cut and only put on 2 extra pound before the fight and he got demolished. Everyone knew he was dehydrated and tired. Honestly he still would have lost that fight though.

[serpent]

Originally Posted by ItsThaMonsta

If you were an athlete then you should know. Losing weight and cutting weight is not the same. I dont know if you are getting that confused. The point to cutting weight is to cut it as close to the weigh-in as possible so that you can gain it all right back. Even cutting 10 pounds can be bad for you if you have to fight right at that point. Most weight is cut by simply dehydrating yourself purposely. ALL good fighters do this. De la hoya had a bad weight cut and only put on 2 extra pound before the fight and he got demolished. Everyone knew he was dehydrated and tired. Honestly he still would have lost that fight though.

+1

cutting weight is totally different and should be done right, i've had friends fainted and had to be carried off to the hospital because they were cutting weight the wrong way.

[ItsThaMonsta]

And to put it into more perspective, GSP walks around at 190 and cuts 20 pounds then gains 15 back before the fight. Thiago Alves (GSP's next fight) walks around at 200 pounds and cuts 30 pound then gains 15 or so back. I know ALOT of fighting. And I also know what the fighters walk around at because Rashad Evans was my roommate in college and I got this info from him. But to be realistic... that 30 pound weight cut can possibly negatively affect him in the 4-5th rounds.

[Rowdstar]

blue belt in bjj. 2nd place in my class at the Pan Ams this year. i like mma but i like bjj better.

each has its merits.

[the1sen]

I'm sure Mr. Evans is well versed in water weight reduction. I don't question that sir.

I know about cutting weight. I don't necessarily agree with it for lighter fighters. Many times, I cut from a solid 135 lbs to an emaciated 112 lbs over the course of 2 weeks to help the team. Wrestled the same day. Did I win? Yeah, and I got my head handed to me a few times too. As I got older and heavier it got harder for me to lose weight because I was simply not carrying around as much water weight.

There is no "safe" way to cut weight for lighter fighters (under 150 lbs). When you start getting into the heavier weight classes, I agree that you also start talking about guys with more water weight to lose.

If a guy walks around at 190, my personal belief is that 185 is a more natural, more fair weight to fight at because you would be close to that on fight night.

Weight is clearly a controversial subject... and I don't think there will ever be any regulation on it because of the supposed advantages.

Let GSP and Anderson Silva fight after GSP wins and Silva defeats Griffin... They'll both weigh close to 200 pounds on fight night and they will have a great battle.

[ItsThaMonsta]

Originally Posted by the1sen

I'm sure Mr. Evans is well versed in water weight reduction. I don't question that sir.

I know about cutting weight. I don't necessarily agree with it for lighter fighters. Many times, I cut from a solid 135 lbs to an emaciated 112 lbs over the course of 2 weeks to help the team. Wrestled the same day. Did I win? Yeah, and I got my head handed to me a few times too. As I got older and heavier it got harder for me to lose weight because I was simply not carrying around as much water weight.

There is no "safe" way to cut weight for lighter fighters (under 150 lbs). When you start getting into the heavier weight classes, I agree that you also start talking about guys with more water weight to lose.

If a guy walks around at 190, my personal belief is that 185 is a more natural, more fair weight to fight at because you would be close to that on fight night.

Weight is clearly a controversial subject... and I don't think there will ever be any regulation on it because of the supposed advantages.

Let GSP and Anderson Silva fight after GSP wins and Silva defeats Griffin... They'll both weigh close to 200 pounds on fight night and they will have a great battle.

I doubt they ever start to regulate the weigh ins as long as weight is made. Its just a risky stategy that fighters use. If you successfully cut weight and put 15 back on then your sitting pretty. If you cut too much you could be in trouble for later rounds. And if you just f-up the cut then your screwed. I guess time will tell.

[VisualEchos]

Originally Posted by ItsThaMonsta

If you were an athlete then you should know. Losing weight and cutting weight is not the same. I dont know if you are getting that confused. The point to cutting weight is to cut it as close to the weigh-in as possible so that you can gain it all right back. Even cutting 10 pounds can be bad for you if you have to fight right at that point. Most weight is cut by simply dehydrating yourself purposely. ALL good fighters do this. De la hoya had a bad weight cut and only put on 2 extra pound before the fight and he got demolished. Everyone knew he was dehydrated and tired. Honestly he still would have lost that fight though.

I used to be an athlete and I disagree with weight cuts of more than 10 lbs because it serves no other purpose than to try to gain an other-than-skill advantage over the opponant. These are professionals we're talking about here, and they absolutely have the ability to change their walking-around weight to within 10 lbs of their fight weight through regulation of muscle mass. Then again, I don't believe in their [the UFC's] point or judging systems either, so there you go.

[fitfan]

i think a good part of the UFC success is that they adopted all the comonly used regulations. weigh in, points, etc... made and easy mold to fill. i think if they treid something new and diffrerent. it would have seemed too "different" to the media and such to pigeon hole succesfully.

[ItsThaMonsta]

Originally Posted by VisualEchos

I used to be an athlete and I disagree with weight cuts of more than 10 lbs because it serves no other purpose than to try to gain an other-than-skill advantage over the opponant. These are professionals we're talking about here, and they absolutely have the ability to change their walking-around weight to within 10 lbs of their fight weight through regulation of muscle mass. Then again, I don't believe in their [the UFC's] point or judging systems either, so there you go.

MMA is entirely different when it comes to weight cuts. Unlike boxing where it is not likely that you will see a quick knockout all the time, MMA fights ends very quickly very often. That is why these fighters try to cut more weight and come in heavier. And the best fighters do it to perfection. GSP weigh in at 170 and fights at 185 and he does not lose a step at all from the weight transfer. Other fighters are not so fortunate and it is seen sometimes. But for the most part it works. Personally it would be great for people to fight at their natural weight.... BUT it will never happen before if one person does the cut other people will because they dont want to give up that advantage. Look what happened to BJ Penn when he recently walked into the ring against GSP (172 i believe). I dont see it as trying to get an edge anymore. I just look at it as another skill to fight with. How much weight can you cut and still be in peak physical form for the fight? The more the better as far as the UFC goes.

[VisualEchos]

Originally Posted by ItsThaMonsta

I dont see it as trying to get an edge anymore.

You don't see it as an edge? Try having a heavier opponent lay on you for 25 minutes. It's an unfair advantage of the weak, just like racers lying about their weight, HP or aero.

Originally Posted by ItsThaMonsta

I just look at it as another skill to fight with. How much weight can you cut and still be in peak physical form for the fight? The more the better as far as the UFC goes.

Sure it's a skill, but it has nothing to do with fighting.

[ItsThaMonsta]

Originally Posted by VisualEchos

You don't see it as an edge? Try having a heavier opponent lay on you for 25 minutes. It's an unfair advantage of the weak, just like racers lying about their weight, HP or aero.



Sure it's a skill, but it has nothing to do with fighting.

Believe it or not its just not that big of a deal. The biggest weight differences in the non heavyweight classes are about 8 pounds which is what you are considering a lot. Well what do you call the heavyweight division in general? Even without weight cuts it is normal for it to be a 30+ weight advantage. Couture fought at 220 and beat a lot of heavyweight who were 25-30 pounds heavier. So complaining about a 7-8 pound welterweight difference is just silly. Also, I do grappling and submission training with someone who is 260 (90 pounds heavier than me) and I can show you videos that just shows that my technique outclasses his weight. Of course thats not saying I can do that to any 260 pounder but just reiterating that your complaining too much over small weight differences.

[VisualEchos]

I'm 148 and everyone I grapple with is much bigger, when actually get a chance to roll with someone my size it's so much easier. Having said that, I'm not complaining, I'm simply saying that I feel it should be different. Your advantage should be your skill, not your weight in a weight-classed system.

[the1sen]

I guess when money and livelihood are on the line, one would take every advantage the rules would allow.