New Mac v.s. Pc commercial is full of CRAP!!!!

[apk919]

Originally Posted by PhlypSide

Mac/PC?

Why cry, just run bootcamp

Apple - Mac OS X - Windows Compatibility - How Mac works with PCs

Or if you're an uber nerd, just have multiple machines.

Or run Parallels... and you can run OS X and Windows at the same time on the same machine. That's my solution for software that doesn't support the Mac (i.e. Traqmate, DashWare, etc)

[wallabyguy]

I'm a heavy mac user. I wanted to get that out of the way up front.

As far as pc v mac ads go, the ones microsoft runs are far worse. The garbage with the couples or parents with kids at bestbuy comparing computers are just as bad. Pricing advantages of pcs over macs are well known but sim comments like "I THINK macs are all about esthetics" are just as bad as the virus crap. Microsoft has also been forcedto pull several of the ads because they were presenting false information. Some of the ads have also been proven to be "set up" and not real, unprepped buyers.

[apk919]

Originally Posted by wallabyguy

I'm a heavy mac user. I wanted to get that out of the way up front.

As far as pc v mac ads go, the ones microsoft runs are far worse. The garbage with the couples or parents with kids at bestbuy comparing computers are just as bad. Pricing advantages of pcs over macs are well known but sim comments like "I THINK macs are all about esthetics" are just as bad as the virus crap. Microsoft has also been forcedto pull several of the ads because they were presenting false information. Some of the ads have also been proven to be "set up" and not real, unprepped buyers.

Besides... I'd guess a lot of people will take a "free" computer over a superior model at full cost. What kind of comparison is that?

[erics75218]

good point Wallabyguy. It'd be nice if someone would just teach people how to use "computers" and then they could look past all advertising BS.

Good stuff on Macs running 2 monitors too. Like I said I'm a PC guy, I got an Imac for my living room because it's pretty. And so far it runs internet browsers ok. I can't justify the cost of a "powerfull" Mac, I really can't. My buddy just got a king daddy wide screen monitored Samsung Laptop for under a K..it's a desktop replacement, is huge, power full and cool.

So just to be clear, this isn't a mac v.s. pc argument, everyone has their own experiences. For instance, i've never had to take a hard drive anywhere...not even the ones I have stacked on on top of the other in a cardboard box next to my desk that have been thrown around in 2 moves. Maybe your company went on the cheap and got some crap no name brand hard drives?

At any rate at least the microsoft adds leave it open for interpretation weather or not macs are all about asthetics, contrary to the apple adds which promote the non quantifiable knowns' of "tons of viruses" and computers that "just work".

I just in general think that PCs get a bad rap, not so much that macs suck..but mac advertising is part of the problem that has created that stigma.

[Agent ONE]

Originally Posted by erics75218

Ok, so I'm watching TV and this damn thing just set me off.

It's the fat nerd PC guy, and some "cute" girl hanging out with the Mac dork.

So the PC guy brings in "the new top of the line pc" who is this very stereo typical 6-5 "good looking" business man...and this stupidity ensues:

Girl "I want a big screen"
TopPC "I've got it"
Girl "I want a fast processor"
TopPC "I've got just what you're looking for"
Girl "I also want it to work"
(ok, a non factual non defined comment...wtf is "I want it to work"...every PC I have works, they work great...UGH! If you can't get your PC to work I doubt you can get your Mac to work, because getting a modern computer to "work" is trivial...super annoying)
TopPC *acts nervous*
Girl "..oh I also don't want tons of viruses"
(REALLY? I don't even fregin' really guard my PC of viruses, and I download torrents and all that crap. This comment is just straight up stupid, tons...yes...my PC has TONS of viruses. Again, super annoying.)
TopPC *acts nervous* "well you just have to expect a few of those things with a pc"

and that's enough to piss me off. I *HATE* how she starts with 2 factual comments that make sense, a big screen and a fast processor...which OBVIOUSLY a PC can provide......then finds a problem with the PC because I guess it "might not work" and comes with "tons of viruses" which are subjective idiot comments.

My Imac gets that godamn spinning wheel of death much more than my PC ever goes belly up. Not to mention I'd really like it if I could get a vertical hierarchy directory view of my computer that I paid for.

At any rate, I can't believe people fall for this crap.

I love my MAC, but I agree with everything you say.. Totally subjective garbage.

[PhlypSide]

Originally Posted by the1sen

I'm a current Mac user. That said, I used to build & maintain PC's; up until 2 years ago I was exclusively a PC guy. Now I don't build PC's anymore, and I only maintain the ones I have.

........I initialized and reinstalled my programs on my PC's every 1-2 months to get rid of bugs and fix whatever crap that was wrong with the registry. I did it because that kind of performance is important to me. In a Mac environment, I initialize and reinstall all my programs about once every 6 months.

To each his own.

Oh yeah, and Safari sucks my ass, but not as badly as IE. Install FF and be done with it.

^^^^ Let's hope Windows 7 brings some stability back to PC's

[Confidential]

Originally Posted by erics75218

INTERESTING....for my profession 2 monitors is a must...and a mac can't do it???

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You read into my comment a bit wrong. It's not that the macbook doesn't offer dual monitor support, because it does.

The issue is when you want to run Front Row or Quicktime in full screen mode on the external monitor. Full screen mode will ONLY run on the primary monitor. The only way to get it to run on the external monitor is to close the macbook so that the external becomes the primary monitor, then hit menu on the mac remote to wake up the computer. It's a pain in the @ss when you want to watch movies on the "big screen".

Maybe some of the mac experts here can offer some advice. So far, I haven't found anything that works.

Other than that, I love the thing. The multi touch pad is the coolest and most innovative computer interface in a looooong time.

[buzzy]

Really? unquantifiable "tons of viruses"? Just take a look at this: Security Statistics - Virus Statistics

Virus Related Statistics:

From Message Labs, 17 Jan, 2004, Hosted Anti-Spam Filter | Email Anti-Virus | Web & Email Security

Processing between 50,000 and 60,000 new copies per hour, "W32/Mydoom.A has exceeded the infamous SoBig.F virus in terms of copies intercepted, and the number continues to rise."
Message Labs collected over 1.2 Million copies of W32/Mydoom.A-mm
At its peak infection rate, about 1 in 12 emails on the Internet were MyDoom Viruses
From Trend Micro, 16 Jan, 2004, Computer World Article

It is estimated that PC Viruses cost businesses approximately $55 Billion in damages in 2003.
The same calculations in were done in 2002 and 2001, at $20-30 Billion and $13 Billion, respectively.
From Joint CAIDA, ICSI, Silicon Defense, UC Berkeley, and UC San Diego, 01 February 2003, http://www.caida.org/analysis/security/sapphire/

An analysis of the Sapphire/Slammer SQL worm shows:

"This worm required roughly 10 minutes to spread worldwide making it by far the fastest worm to date."
"In the early stages [the number of compromised hosts] was doubling in size every 8.5 seconds."
"At its peak, achieved approximately 3 minutes after it was released, Sapphire scanned the net at over 55 million IP addresses per second."
"It infected at least 75,000 victims and probably considerably more."
From Sophos, 28 February 2002, http://www.sophos.com/virusinfo/whit...revention.html

"The number of known viruses surpassed 70,000 in January 2002"
Of the 70,000, "26.1% are macro viruses, 26.1% are Trojan horses, 19.2% are executable and 6.8% are script viruses"
"Unix, boot sector, internet worms, file, Macintosh and multipartite [viruses] account for the remaining 21.8%"
"The number of new viruses discovered every month continues to increase. In the last quarter of 2001, the Sophos virus lab was processing around 1200 new viruses each month."
From SANS, 3 October 2001, http://www.incidents.org/react/nimda.pdf

86,000+ Internet hosts are thought to have been compromised and used to propagate the NIMDA worm, on September 18th. 37,318 (42.97%) of those hosts resided in the US.

From CAIDA, 25 July 2001, see our Web Defacement section http://www.caida.org/analysis/security/code-red/

After significant analysis, the Cooperative Association for Internet Data Analysis (CAIDA) found that the "Code Red" worm affected more than 359,000 servers in less than 14 hours. They also determined:

"At the peak of the infection frenzy, more than 2,000 new hosts were infected each minute."
"43% of all infected hosts were in the United States"
"11% originated in Korea"
"5% of [the infected hosts] were in China, and 4% in Taiwan"
A QuickTime animation of the geographic expansion of the worm was also made available.
From Information Security Magazine, May 2001, Information Security: Covering today's security topics...

According to Internet Security Systems , there were 71,402 virus attacks reported in the fourth quarter of 2000 alone.
According to IDC Asia/Pacific , an estimated 25% of major companies in the Pacific Rim do not employ the use of virus protection on their systems.
From SecurityPortal.Com, 25 October 2000, http://securityportal.com/research/v...irustop20.html

"The VBS.Loveletter virus now has over 40 variants, with more making their appearance every week."

From ICSA.Net, 23 October 2000, http://www.securitystats.com/reports.asp , "2000 Computer Virus Prevalence Survey":

The number of corporations infected by viruses has risen by 20% this year alone
99.67% of companies surveyed experienced at least one virus encounter during the survey period
51% claimed they had at least one "virus disaster" during the 12-month period before they were surveyed
80% said the "LoveLetter" virus was their most recent virus disaster
The monthly rate of infection per 1000 PCs has been nearly doubling every year since 1996
The reported damage estimate from the "LoveLetter" virus is as much as $10 Billion.
The reported damage estimate from the "Melissa" virus was $385 Million
Including hard and soft dollar figures, the true cost of virus disasters is between $100,000 and $1 Million per company
From Network Associates, 2 September 2000, http://vil.nai.com/villib/alpha.asp

To date, there are an estimated 53,000 computer viruses in existance.

From BBC World News, 8 June 2000, BBC News | SCI/TECH | Love Bug case dropped

The ILOVEYOU virus "is believed to have affected at least 45 million computer users."

From The Computer Security Institute with the participation of the San Francisco Federal Bureau of Investigation's (FBI) Computer Intrusion Squad, 22 March 2000, CSI: Page Not Found , out of 643 respondents:

85% detected computer viruses
273 organizations that were able to quantify their losses reported a total of $265,589,940
From Information Security Magazine, December 1999, 1999 Infosecurity Year-in-Review

In September 1999, two new Y2K-related virus/worms were discovered, which sent user’s IDs and passwords out over the Internet via e-mail. Microsoft reported finding eight different versions of the e-mail in circulation.
On April 22nd, 1999, according to newswire reports, the Chernobyl computer virus struck hundreds of thousands of computers in Asia and the Middle East, with Turkey and South Korea each reporting 300,000 damaged computers.
From Information Week, 12 July 1999, Global Security Survey: Virus Attack

Based on responses from 2,700 executives, security professionals, and technology managers from 49 countries:

"Globally, about 64% of companies were hit by at least one virus in the past 12 months, up from 53% the year before. In the United States, viruses stung 69% of companies. Those figures are about four times as high as the next highest category of security breaches: unauthorized network entry."
Viruses and computer hacking will cost U.S. businesses an estimated $266 billion this year--more than 2.5 percent of America's Gross Domestic Product (GDP)
"The percentage of companies suffering security breaches increased slightly. Last year, 27% of companies responding said they had not suffered a security breach. This year, only 24% could make that claim. In the United States, just 22% reported no security breaches."

[Cardinal]

I think this video sums up the debate.

NSFW - language

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[chapster5]

Macs are a load of bull, how could you Justify pay god knows how much for a peice of crap i am strictly a PC guy, i will never use mac, used them once never again what a horrible experiance it was. I'm quite happy paying through the nose to upgrade my pc and pay for any repairs that may need to happen. Anything to stay away from Mac really. Just my 2 cents.

Macs will quite happily run image graphic studios without any lag, delay or probelm OH SH1T the BED! That's nothing my computer can run that and MORE without any problem, oh it can also run 3D Modelling Studios without a problem too I'm sorry for this rant just i hate mac's i honestly do they havent done any good in this world but microsoft has, they changed the face of computers they have been at the top of the legue of computers for years! They always have been and always will be!

I'm sorry apple stick to your music players thats all you seem good at doing

/rant

[LotinElite]

Originally Posted by erics75218

At any rate, I can't believe people fall for this crap.

Have you taken a look at who our President is right now?

[RENDERMAN]

PC stands for Piece of chit mang (Alex Pujols, St louis Cardinals) HA HA HA HA HA HA (I love copy and paste) HA HA HA HA ( Can you copy and paste on a PC?) HA HA HA HA HA HA...

[PhlypSide]

Originally Posted by chapster5

......I'm sorry for this rant just i hate mac's i honestly do they havent done any good in this world but microsoft has, they changed the face of computers they have been at the top of the legue of computers for years! They always have been and always will be!....

ORLY? You need to mebbe watch this.....
Triumph of the Nerds - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Just because something is popular doesn't mean it's right....

I always say: Microsoft is just like dirt. Both things are everywhere, but do you find either tasty?

[DrJ]

Originally Posted by erics75218

Ok, so I'm watching TV and this damn thing just set me off.

It's the fat nerd PC guy, and some "cute" girl hanging out with the Mac dork.

So the PC guy brings in "the new top of the line pc" who is this very stereo typical 6-5 "good looking" business man...and this stupidity ensues:

Girl "I want a big screen"
TopPC "I've got it"
Girl "I want a fast processor"
TopPC "I've got just what you're looking for"
Girl "I also want it to work"
(ok, a non factual non defined comment...wtf is "I want it to work"...every PC I have works, they work great...UGH! If you can't get your PC to work I doubt you can get your Mac to work, because getting a modern computer to "work" is trivial...super annoying)
TopPC *acts nervous*
Girl "..oh I also don't want tons of viruses"
(REALLY? I don't even fregin' really guard my PC of viruses, and I download torrents and all that crap. This comment is just straight up stupid, tons...yes...my PC has TONS of viruses. Again, super annoying.)
TopPC *acts nervous* "well you just have to expect a few of those things with a pc"

and that's enough to piss me off. I *HATE* how she starts with 2 factual comments that make sense, a big screen and a fast processor...which OBVIOUSLY a PC can provide......then finds a problem with the PC because I guess it "might not work" and comes with "tons of viruses" which are subjective idiot comments.

My Imac gets that godamn spinning wheel of death much more than my PC ever goes belly up. Not to mention I'd really like it if I could get a vertical hierarchy directory view of my computer that I paid for.

At any rate, I can't believe people fall for this crap.

Do you usually let a TV Commercial get you so upset?

[swaq]

Originally Posted by PhlypSide

Or if you're an uber nerd, just have multiple machines.

I have five [working] computers at home. Two Windows XP desktops, two Mac laptops, and a Linux file/media server. I use my old iBook G4 way more often than my dual-core Windows desktop.

[PhlypSide]

^^^ I'm part of the uber nerd club too. I won't admit publicly how many working machines I have... LOL! And yes, I too use my Macs as much as possible (and more so than my PCs or Linux boxes).

[luxige]

Originally Posted by erics75218

I just in general think that PCs get a bad rap, not so much that macs suck..but mac advertising is part of the problem that has created that stigma.

So Apple's ad agency should focus on presenting fair and accurate information about Apple's competitors? (ahem)

[mrcarcrazy]

Originally Posted by RENDERMAN

"Once you try Mac you'll never go back!!" I'm RENDERMAN and I approve this message but let's not get carried away. The people at the Apple store are a bunch of a*s holes, they think they're rock stars!! (Screw you man I'm just asking a question) Last time I was there I was told if I was 10 minutes late to my appointment it would be canceled, yet I waited over an hour for them and didn't even get an I'm sorry, we're too busy...

+1. to this entire statement.

I went to a mac store before I bought my Mac. all those nerdy pricks ignored me.

I love my Mac.

[erics75218]

The only thing I hate more about Apple than their computers, is the Ipod and Itunes. Microsoft has that thing WHIPPED with the ZUNE but it gets a bad rap.

lets see...with Apple and I tunes I can buy 1 song for 1 dollar and it's mine.

With Zune I spend $15 a month, I can "own" 10 songs a month, JUST LIKE ITUNES, and can download and stream the rest of the catalog for what then amounts to $5 a month! CHA'CHING!!

I had to laugh when a friend said he just purchased the entire Depeche Mode collection from Itunes...how many hundreds did that cost...lol. I went to zune marketplace and just hit play on the band name..I didn't even have to download it, LOL....

MICROSOFT FOR THE WIN!!

And as for viruses, I mean I'm just going by personal experience here. I have never had a virus that wasn't "cured" by just running some freeware virus check software. Computers are like cars, they need maintenance and love and care to run top notch all the time...mac or pc...most people have no clue how to do that so their computers tend to run like crap.

I wish I knew more about the Mac OS, I'm sure that I'd like it more than I do now.

I feel like Mac people always have to feel good about their purchases and stuff...since they paid so much for it, why not.

[MNlotus]

i have been using PC all my life till recently. i bought a macbook pro two years ago and it has been unbelievably good. when i used PC it was always getting pop up adds non stop and i would be getting viruses also quite often. i am amazed that in two years on my mac i have never once got a single pop up add or virus. no problems at all on my mac, it is also easier to use IMO.