New Mac v.s. Pc commercial is full of CRAP!!!!

[chapster5]

Originally Posted by thetoast

Intel processors are crap now? On what basis? lol

2 of our computers both run Intel Dual Cores, they are as slow as hell and they have been formatted just 4 days ago... yet the rest are AMD they run smooth and sweet all day long Im using a AMD Sempron 3400+ runs like a dream it can handle most things and thats just a single core. Im building a system with an AMD Quad Core its a Phenom 9550 should be amazing on proformance

Just my oppinions though

[Cardinal]

Originally Posted by chapster5

2 of our computers both run Intel Dual Cores, they are as slow as hell and they have been formatted just 4 days ago... yet the rest are intel they run smooth and sweet all day long Im using a AMD Sempron 3400+ runs like a dream it can handle most things and thats just a single core. Im building a system with an AMD Quad Core its a Phenom 9550 should be amazing on proformance

Just my oppinions though

I've been an AMD fan for a while now, since the early days of the Athlon.

[swaq]

Originally Posted by RENDERMAN

Really, What do you code Cocoa in Objective-C?

Most my classes were using Java at the time, so that's what I used it for. I also did a little bit of Haskell on it, if I recall correctly. I haven't done any Mac-specific programming.

At work now I do C/C++ and scripting. Unfortunately we don't have Macs (even though our CEO uses them).

[erics75218]

My girlfriend, who is a little genius engineer can not STAND X-Code....we were working on an Iphone application together, but she couldn't stand working in that environment, so she quit on me.

So that's either a fact about Macs sucking, or women not finishing things they start.

I do trust her opinion in these matters.

My Imac has been getting the spinning wheel of death here as of late..BOO!!

[swaq]

Originally Posted by erics75218

My girlfriend, who is a little genius engineer can not STAND X-Code....we were working on an Iphone application together, but she couldn't stand working in that environment, so she quit on me.

So that's either a fact about Macs sucking, or women not finishing things they start.

I do trust her opinion in these matters.

My Imac has been getting the spinning wheel of death here as of late..BOO!!

I didn't mind Xcode too much, though I preferred using Eclipse for the stuff I was doing.

[apk919]

Originally Posted by swaq

...

At work now I do C/C++ and scripting. Unfortunately we don't have Macs (even though our CEO uses them).

Since most of my software is intended to run on *nix boxes (including Macs), I write my production code in C++, with a series of my own macros to make it more object-oriented. I do my prototype work in Smalltalk/Squeak (in my 30+ years of programming experience, the best development environment, hands down). I also have a large object-oriented Perl library for applications that need to be quickly and flexibly tweaked. And I have a proprietary socket/file interface that allows apps in all three languages to share data and "objects".

[Rob T]

Originally Posted by Stormy320

Hit a nerve did they.

I love my Macs! Don't get the wheel.

+1

[Rob T]

Originally Posted by wallabyguy

I'm a heavy mac user. I wanted to get that out of the way up front.

As far as pc v mac ads go, the ones microsoft runs are far worse. The garbage with the couples or parents with kids at bestbuy comparing computers are just as bad. Pricing advantages of pcs over macs are well known but sim comments like "I THINK macs are all about esthetics" are just as bad as the virus crap. Microsoft has also been forcedto pull several of the ads because they were presenting false information. Some of the ads have also been proven to be "set up" and not real, unprepped buyers.

Couldn't agree more!

[John Stimson]

Originally Posted by erics75218

yeah it just hit a nerve because it's a BS advertising method.

Sure it's BS, but do you know how long Microsoft and IBM before them have been using the same type of FUD (fear-uncertainty-doubt) advertising tactics?

[Keeper]

"BS Advertising Method"

Isn't that redundant?

[couldbemage]

...but macs do cost much more and give you only 2 things in return;

Looks, and permission to use mac OS (which is quite good).

Price differential with my laptop's specs was a thousand dollars. Plus I would have had to install XP on the mac, just as I did on my vista laptop.

As for those ads; I never like negative ads. The quiznos ones almost made me stop eating there. The mac ads are like beating their point to death.

...and customer satisfaction is meaningless. Given the huge price difference, only someone thrilled with mac will buy one. At the same time, those who merely NEED a computer as a tool buy pcs. It should be obvious which situation is "happy".

[specialk]

Originally Posted by couldbemage

...but macs do cost much more and give you only 2 things in return;

Looks, and permission to use mac OS (which is quite good).

Price differential with my laptop's specs was a thousand dollars. Plus I would have had to install XP on the mac, just as I did on my vista laptop.

As for those ads; I never like negative ads. The quiznos ones almost made me stop eating there. The mac ads are like beating their point to death.

...and customer satisfaction is meaningless. Given the huge price difference, only someone thrilled with mac will buy one. At the same time, those who merely NEED a computer as a tool buy pcs. It should be obvious which situation is "happy".

that's not entirely true, altho the myth that they cost more with only looks being a benefit is constantly perpetuated. i develop for linux/win/mac and i find it to be way easier. i have windows via bootcamp in case i need to run natively, and can run the partition from vmware in osx as well. virtually everything i need for my *nix development is already implemented natively in osx and if it isn't, i have ubuntu on triple boot via bootcamp (or vmware).

they may cost a little more but for me it's a small price to pay to have an environment that suits me and that i find comfy. don't misunderstand i'm not knocking ms or windows, i find those arguments stupid. i use what i need to for the task at hand and that's it. if i never did anything but .net work i wouldn't have a problem working on a pc all day long. ok that's not entirely true i still prefer osx/linux, but it wouldn't be the end of the world lol.

[Keeper]

Originally Posted by couldbemage

...and customer satisfaction is meaningless. Given the huge price difference, only someone thrilled with mac will buy one. At the same time, those who merely NEED a computer as a tool buy pcs. It should be obvious which situation is "happy".

That might be true if it wasn't for "BS Marketing" which is effective or they wouldn't keep paying to do it. Good marketing convinces people of what they need and they'll often paying extra due to that perception. The need can be as simple as. "the Jones' have it, so you must."

[Keeper]

Originally Posted by specialk

that's not entirely true, altho the myth that they cost more with only looks being a benefit is constantly perpetuated. i develop for linux/win/mac and i find it to be way easier. i have windows via bootcamp in case i need to run natively, and can run the partition from vmware in osx as well. virtually everything i need for my *nix development is already implemented natively in osx and if it isn't, i have ubuntu on triple boot via bootcamp (or vmware).

they may cost a little more but for me it's a small price to pay to have an environment that suits me and that i find comfy. don't misunderstand i'm not knocking ms or windows, i find those arguments stupid. i use what i need to for the task at hand and that's it. if i never did anything but .net work i wouldn't have a problem working on a pc all day long. ok that's not entirely true i still prefer osx/linux, but it wouldn't be the end of the world lol.

I suspect he was referring to end users. People like yourself know what they need and buy it regardless of what some meaningless ad portrays.

You do make a good point. If your ROI is better with Macs, buy a Mac.

[specialk]

Originally Posted by Keeper

I suspect he was referring to end users. People like yourself know what they need and buy it regardless of what some meaningless ad portrays.

You do make a good point. If your ROI is better with Macs, buy a Mac.

damn you for saying what i said, but more succinctly lol

[Cardinal]

Originally Posted by couldbemage

As for those ads; I never like negative ads.

The problem with negative ads is that 99% of the time, they force you to mention the product you are selling against. In most cases, any publicity is good publicity. I did a little advertising with my old company, and I was always sure to focus on the strengths of our products, rather than the weakness of the competitions' products. That way, you upsell your item on its own merits without mentioning that other items even exist. It works.

[Rob T]

Originally Posted by Cardinal

The problem with negative ads is that 99% of the time, they force you to mention the product you are selling against. In most cases, any publicity is good publicity. I did a little advertising with my old company, and I was always sure to focus on the strengths of our products, rather than the weakness of the competitions' products. That way, you upsell your item on its own merits without mentioning that other items even exist. It works.

I generally agree, but market research clearly indicates that the Mac vs PC ads work big time in Mac's favor.

[erics75218]

Apple to me, just kind of represent everything that's wrong with a "computer" company. If everything google does is "open source" then Apple is the POLAR OPPOSITE of that.

When you are confident in your idea/method/product/service you don't have to secure it under lock and key the way Apple does with everything they make.

A good example of this is Google Voice. They make this app, that's way better than anything Apple has, available for the Iphone. Instead of apple saying "woah....this IS good, we need to do something better" they say "Hey you can't sell that on our phone..SORRY BROS" and they kick it out of the AppStore.

That just straight up sucks.

[xtn]

I don't want to argue in favor of one or the other, but for the mac guys slamming PCs for instability and viruses I've got to say...

...I've been using my off-the-shelf Gateway PC with Win XP Pro for over three years now, every day, with usages including web surfing, autocad, photoshop, music, DVR-ing, etc. It's connected full time to the internet.

I have not turned it off in over two years. It runs fine. There is nothing wrong with it at all. I've opened up the case and carefully vacuumed out the dust without ever shutting it off. Still works like new.

I take it back. I think it did need a reboot after a service pack install sometime in the Spring of 08 maybe? Can't remember for sure.

xtn

[specialk]

Originally Posted by erics75218

Apple to me, just kind of represent everything that's wrong with a "computer" company. If everything google does is "open source" then Apple is the POLAR OPPOSITE of that.

When you are confident in your idea/method/product/service you don't have to secure it under lock and key the way Apple does with everything they make.

A good example of this is Google Voice. They make this app, that's way better than anything Apple has, available for the Iphone. Instead of apple saying "woah....this IS good, we need to do something better" they say "Hey you can't sell that on our phone..SORRY BROS" and they kick it out of the AppStore.

That just straight up sucks.

just like microsoft, oracle, sap, intel, amd, etc. are you suggesting everyone confident about their product or service should just give their **** away for free? rofl wtf are you saying.

apple is, and always has been, about hardware first. and there is nothing proprietary about their hardware now. the guts in my mac are the same that can be found in any number of pc manufacturers.

apple had to remove google voice because of contractual obligations with at&t. i'm not defending this, just giving you a reason. and btw, "free" and "open source" are hardly the same thing.