New Mac v.s. Pc commercial is full of CRAP!!!!

[Cegan09]

Usually i try my best to stay out of these debates, but i saw this

Originally Posted by buzzy

That said, how many people do you know that used to have a Mac, switched to a PC and love it. I can't think of anyone I know. In fact all I hear is the opposite.

In first grade they started putting computers in all the classrooms, they happened to be macs. I have used macs since i was 6 years old, it was the first real OS that i used. Around middle school and high school i started using windows, i believe with 95. I liked it sooo much better. My mom has always used macs, so i've been exposed to them up up through a generation or so back on the mac books, and i've never liked them.

My desktop is custom build, and i have a thinkpad T43 that is now 4 years old. I never turn either of them off. My desktop was on for 5 months straight at one point before i shut if off since i was going home for a week from school, and didn't want to continue raising the electric bill. Its been rock solid, running vista, no pop ups (though that is a browser thing), no viruses. The laptop was on for a year, going into standby only when i put it in a bag to go somewhere. That had XP on it until i built the desktop, now it runs Linux Mint.

There is also the issue that the software i use (CAD, Analysis, etc) won't run on mac. My friend from school had a macbook (non intel, so before dual boot was an option), and always had to use campus labs to run the software we needed. I've done the dual boot thing, and virtual OS, and i can't see the point in doing that on a mac, for me at least. Virtual OS's never run as fast as if they were the only OS, and if i was dual booting, why would i have the mac, just to install windows on it? Macs aren't for me, never have been. To those that like them, enjoy, you won't see me adding to the crowd in the apple store.

To the original post, the commercials anger me, though i find them a little funny, however the bigger thing is i dislike most commercials these days, regardless of product.

[specialk]

Originally Posted by Cegan09

...and if i was dual booting, why would i have the mac, just to install windows on it?

cos some ppl need more than one, and it's easier to carry around one laptop than three? lol

vm's can be plenty fast depending on what you do. the average developer is not playing games or rendering 3d. i have IIS and sql server running on my vm for development and have no problems.

[lotus4fun]

Just upraded to Windows 7 ent.
The task manager is very cool and super detailed to each process.

The UI is much better to work with.
MS did mess up with Vista, but getting a virus/worm just means your a dumb ass computer user.

Bottom line is MAC cost more.
My Samsung laptop is lighter than the Air with a SSD drive still cost less.

But, I must say the iPhone kicks ass. One reason is all the apps. Kinda like a PC has ironic

[erics75218]

Originally Posted by specialk

just like microsoft, oracle, sap, intel, amd, etc. are you suggesting everyone confident about their product or service should just give their **** away for free? rofl wtf are you saying.

According to the data from the Fccs (Fcc?) inquiry into Apple turning down the Google Voice app from the app store, AT&T had no part in it. It's a classic case of "DOH!!!!!! GOOGLE DID IT BETTER!!!" on Apples part.

It was removed because it "duplicated core Iphone features" such as the dialer, etc. "Duplicating core features" is a real convenient way to eliminate the possibility of a 3rd party IMPROVING anything Apple put into the phone.

Apple also handicaps you by not allowing any applications run in the background, which is almost such a horrendous oversight I can't believe it's happening. But next time your listening to pandora, try to look at a picture. Or try to take a picture as you are txting. It's crap.

Has anyone tried to use their multiple gig Iphone as a usb storage device when it's plugged in to your computer...lol...as far as I know YOU CAN'T. THANKS APPLE, another jem. I carry around an 8 gig Iphone AND an 8 gig flash reader...annoying.

And OBVIOUSLY I don't mean that every good idea/thing should be given away for free. However when it comes to computer software, I tend to think open source is better, always. ALWAYS allow a passionate community to enhance your product I say.

What if Apple had invented E-mail....good god, can you imagine not having e-mail on your PC, or having some odd form of it that didn't work with Mac E-mail or something.

As an example one just gets the impression that if the kids over at Apple had it their way, you'd be using your Apple software, on your Apple hardware to say, download music from the Apple store, to put on your Apple device. And if that was the only way on earth to get portable music, I'm pretty sure Apple would love that.

[Cegan09]

Originally Posted by specialk

cos some ppl need more than one, and it's easier to carry around one laptop than three? lol

vm's can be plenty fast depending on what you do. the average developer is not playing games or rendering 3d. i have IIS and sql server running on my vm for development and have no problems.

I think you missed the point, i was referring to my situation. If i was dual booting the mac with windows, i'd be running it in windows 95-100% of the time, and at that point, what was the reason for getting the mac? All i would have done was pay extra for a windows machine with an apple logo.

As for VMs, i'm not a developer, i use programs like CAD, which are 3d, and can be very resource demanding. I'd rather be running in a native OS, instead of a virtual one. I was just trying to point out why it makes no sense for me personally to have a mac.

I do love how its a mac vs PC battle though, since PC stands for Personal Computer, and in no way relates to windows, though even microsoft advertises it like it does. I believe some of the older macs were branded as PCs, I think the first computer we had at home was an Apple PowerPC, though i forget which one.

[Keeper]

Originally Posted by Cegan09

I do love how its a mac vs PC battle though, since PC stands for Personal Computer, and in no way relates to windows, though even microsoft advertises it like it does. I believe some of the older macs were branded as PCs, I think the first computer we had at home was an Apple PowerPC, though i forget which one.

Although PC can stand for Personal Computer, it also refers to any IBM clone ever since IBM came out with the IBM PC. I'm sure the latter usage is intended and understood here.

I don't know if older Macs were branded PC's, but PowerPC stands for Power Performance (not Personal) Computing. Note, it's "PowerPC" not "Power PC". A marketing angle perhaps and someone who knows the history better may chime in, but I think the mac vs. PC reference is more accurate than you state.

[specialk]

Originally Posted by erics75218

According to the data from the Fccs (Fcc?) inquiry into Apple turning down the Google Voice app from the app store, AT&T had no part in it. It's a classic case of "DOH!!!!!! GOOGLE DID IT BETTER!!!" on Apples part.

It was removed because it "duplicated core Iphone features" such as the dialer, etc. "Duplicating core features" is a real convenient way to eliminate the possibility of a 3rd party IMPROVING anything Apple put into the phone.

Apple also handicaps you by not allowing any applications run in the background, which is almost such a horrendous oversight I can't believe it's happening. But next time your listening to pandora, try to look at a picture. Or try to take a picture as you are txting. It's crap.

Has anyone tried to use their multiple gig Iphone as a usb storage device when it's plugged in to your computer...lol...as far as I know YOU CAN'T. THANKS APPLE, another jem. I carry around an 8 gig Iphone AND an 8 gig flash reader...annoying.

And OBVIOUSLY I don't mean that every good idea/thing should be given away for free. However when it comes to computer software, I tend to think open source is better, always. ALWAYS allow a passionate community to enhance your product I say.

What if Apple had invented E-mail....good god, can you imagine not having e-mail on your PC, or having some odd form of it that didn't work with Mac E-mail or something.

As an example one just gets the impression that if the kids over at Apple had it their way, you'd be using your Apple software, on your Apple hardware to say, download music from the Apple store, to put on your Apple device. And if that was the only way on earth to get portable music, I'm pretty sure Apple would love that.

Apple Answers the FCC’s Questions

check out question 3.

as to the rest of your "open source" argument, Microsoft certainly has a more damning history when it comes to forcing its wares upon consumers. so far as i can tell, Apple hasn't been hit by any antitrust suits yet. Microsoft has managed it on two continents. apart from that, Microsoft has continually taken technologies and come out with non-standards compliant versions of their own in an attempt for market domination. does this make them a bad company? no, not imo. a pain in the ass to develop for, but hey that's the way it is.

here's some more fun reading Microsoft mobile marketplace ads worm into iPhone ? The Register

you realize there are open source applications available for os x? apple's proprietary software is bundled with a mac the exact same way Microsoft has been doing for well over a decade. so i'm not sure what your beef is. if you have such a problem with companies who protect what they develop, you should be as turned off by MS as you are by Apple. hey, start using Linux. it's been my primary work environment for years and it's as open source as you can get.

i also carry around a usb flash drive. it's tiny as hell and attached to my keychain. the alternative would be to what, keep an iphone cable on you at all times?

[xtn]

My Palm Pre lets me use it as a USB drive. It also multitasks. But using a relatively new OS it doesn't have nearly the app proliferation that iPhone has.

xtn

[erics75218]

I'm not making myself clear. There is a reason why there are 11ty billion apps for the PC, and that's what I like,that level of software competition. That might be because it's easier to code for, because there is more "stuff" out there to start with, etc...I duno.

But at the end of the day, nobody will convince me that the Iphones "policies" are the way to go as far as developing for the platform. And yeah, where I work I always have a cable for my devices plugged in. And it's like WHY....as the meeting went down at Apple headquarters, how did this conversation happen.

Dev 1 "Ok, so what if people have this 16 gig device plugged in, they are going to want to use it for general storage, at least a part of it!"
Steve Jobs "Na...that's what thumb drives are for"
Dev 1 "but..I mean as long as it's plugged into a computer Steve..I mean people gota charge the thing"
Steve Jobs "I'll be the one deciding what apple hardware products will be used for Storage and which ones will be used for Music"
Dev 1 "but....that makes NO SENSE..it would take NOTHING to let people store some data on it"
Steve Jobs "your fired"
Dev 1 "damnit"

So to recap

Apple Hardware v.s. PC Hardware = PC wins
Apple Software v.s. PC Software = PC wins
Iphone v.s. what could be = what could be wins!
at least to me
:-D

And for the RECORD..I LOVE Microsoft man, i love that "computer" company more than any other.

I love my X-box
I love my zune software
I love my zune hardware
I love how my x-box sees my zune
I love how my PC sees my xbox
I love how my xbox sees my pc
I love BINGS flight price meter thingie

Hell, didn't Internet Explorer invent tabbed browsing? I might be wrong there.

[charliex]

The first browser with tabs used the IE rendering engine, so it was IE with a custom front end.

[specialk]

Originally Posted by erics75218

And for the RECORD..I LOVE Microsoft man, i love that "computer" company more than any other.

I love my X-box
I love my zune software
I love my zune hardware
I love how my x-box sees my zune
I love how my PC sees my xbox
I love how my xbox sees my pc
I love BINGS flight price meter thingie

Hell, didn't Internet Explorer invent tabbed browsing? I might be wrong there.

rofl, no wonder you started this thread. well i can see there's no point having a discussion with you then. while you do bring up some good points, your "love" (that actually made me el oh el) for Microsoft, despite them doing to an immeasurably larger degree that which you claim to hate about Apple, i doubt you'll want to listen to what i have to say.

[specialk]

Originally Posted by charliex

The first browser with tabs used the IE rendering engine, so it was IE with a custom front end.

correct. it was not his beloved MS that invented everything great in the last 20 years of computing. just as massimo tamburini didn't design the ducati monster, as he claimed in another thread. his senses seem clouded by an irrational love for a software company, so i didn't bother mentioning it.

[charliex]

re google voice, apple is the one that decides ultimately, yes at&t has to give permission to apple for voip but google voice is available on at&t on crackberries, allowing one company to do it but not another wouldn't be a good thing for a baby bell.

its was intially rejected because it 'appeared to' change the iphones features and UX.

[specialk]

Originally Posted by erics75218

What if Apple had invented E-mail....good god, can you imagine not having e-mail on your PC, or having some odd form of it that didn't work with Mac E-mail or something.

ok last one, since clearly you have no clue what you're talking about. the web is overflowing with articles, commentaries, blogs, etc, about MS doing exactly what i quoted to just about every technology worth mentioning in the last decade. but hey, don't take my word for it, Microsoft litigation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. not to mention non-compliance with javascript/css/html/java/etc and countless other things that make a developer's life utter hell when working with any MS product or service (unless in a 100% MS environment, in which case it works pretty darn good. hallelujah!)

the reality is MS is no better than anyone else, indeed they can be far worse, when it comes to things like that. btw the next time MS comes out with some great open source stuff and/or standards, be sure to let me know i want to get me some of that too!

[Cegan09]

Originally Posted by Keeper

Although PC can stand for Personal Computer, it also refers to any IBM clone ever since IBM came out with the IBM PC. I'm sure the latter usage is intended and understood here.

I don't know if older Macs were branded PC's, but PowerPC stands for Power Performance (not Personal) Computing. Note, it's "PowerPC" not "Power PC". A marketing angle perhaps and someone who knows the history better may chime in, but I think the mac vs. PC reference is more accurate than you state.

Didn't know that, thanks for the clarification. I've always known PC to stand for Personal Computer, which is why i always found it funny. Makes more sense now.

[Rob T]

Originally Posted by erics75218

And for the RECORD..I LOVE Microsoft man, i love that "computer" company more than any other.

I love my X-box
I love my zune software
I love my zune hardware
I love how my x-box sees my zune
I love how my PC sees my xbox
I love how my xbox sees my pc
I love BINGS flight price meter thingie

Hell, didn't Internet Explorer invent tabbed browsing? I might be wrong there.

Funny thing is I'm not even sure that Microsoft "loves" the Xbox 360, since it has cost them $1 Billion in repairs!

Microsoft loses $1 billion for 360 repairs // News

[chapster5]

Sorry but it seemed appropriate to post this here