Is Obama finished?

[apk919]

Originally Posted by JoshS

There's corruption and terrorism in almost every 3rd world country, a hatred bordering on fanaticism by their rulers towards the US, and a desire of a good portion of their citizens to move here. Only education can bring change. Attacked by the Taliban, we had a right to go in to Afganistan. And, the rest of the world was with us. We have neither the resourses or the right to go into every single country that hates us. No matter what we do we will be attacked again, someone will set off a nuclear bomb or dirty bomb somewhere. THere will be some minor wars and some major wars down the line. No country is forever, like Greece, like Rome corruption and deteriorating infrastructure from within, assaults from the outside, our political system will end. The oil will run out in the Arab states in the next 30-80 years, that will be the end of any hold they have over anyone and any capability to start a world war. In the Grand scheme of things its not that long to wait. The only regret I have is that I won't be around to see it.

+1

It's amazing that with all that oil wealth, countries like Saudi Arabia and Venezuela (and probably even Russia) are doing nothing to create an economy that will outlive their oil reserves. I can't wait either...

[Kjakk]

World police..

[John]

Originally Posted by Flash G

4.) Savings of roughly $200 Billion per year.

Great, $200B that we can allocate to bailing out homeowners, subsidizing the corn industry, and giving away more entitlements to people who don't deserve it.

[smoseley]

Originally Posted by John

Great, $200B that we can allocate to bailing out homeowners, subsidizing the corn industry, and giving away more entitlements to people who don't deserve it.

... or maybe paying the National Debt?

No, you'd rather waste money killing people for no apparent reason whatsoever?

[smoseley]

Originally Posted by apk919

So that pretty much defines him as a Christian; i.e. someone who doesn't believe that Mohammed received the word of God. I'm sorry, I don't see why that's unusual... it's typical of most devout religious people to think that devout religious people of other faith are nuts.

Actually, it's the official stance of most major religions that people of other religions are misled, not nuts, and definitely not "led by Demons" (i.e. EVIL). Saying that Mohamed is evil or that we should destroy Islam is a Jihadist mentality. It is religious extremism to the point of cultural intolerance, and equates to what we call "Terrorism" when directed from "the other side".

In short, it could be deduced that McCain is morally led by whacko Christian extremists (terrorists) who want to rid the world of all members of another religion, and he's got the most powerful army in the world to back that motive if he chooses to execute on it. Sound familiar? Does the world Holocaust ring a bell?

History does have a tendency to repeat itself. If this **** goes down, I'm moving my ass to France.

[John]

Originally Posted by smoseley

... or maybe paying the National Debt?

No, you'd rather waste money killing people for no apparent reason whatsoever?

I never said that - you obviously missed my sarcasm as that's how the money will be earmarked by the liberals. Nowhere did I justify our spending in Iraq.

Personally, I would get more satisfaction over seeing the money thrown in a big bonfire than to subsidize the perpetuating moral hazard of this country's entitlement mentality.

[LARRY]

Originally Posted by smoseley

... or maybe paying the National Debt?

No, you'd rather waste money killing people for no apparent reason whatsoever?

[fishguy]

Originally Posted by glb

I am surprised at support for McCain. But, I'd guess that most of you voted for Bush, so political decision-making is not your forte.

WTF is with this elitist attitude?
just wow.

[Kjakk]

Originally Posted by John

I never said that - you obviously missed my sarcasm as that's how the money will be earmarked by the liberals. Nowhere did I justify our spending in Iraq.

Personally, I would get more satisfaction over seeing the money thrown in a big bonfire than to subsidize the perpetuating moral hazard of this country's entitlement mentality.

"Entitlement programs, in addition to AFDC, Food Stamps, and Medicaid, include Social Security, Medicare, Unemployment Insurance, Worker's
Compensation, Supplemental Security Income, Veterans' Benefits, Earned
Income Tax Credit, and Selected Tax Expenditure Items."

Are you talking about all of these programs, or something specific?

[ezmoney]

Originally Posted by smoseley

If this **** goes down, I'm moving my ass to France.

Why wait there are flights leaving today!! Bon Voyage!!

[smoseley]

Originally Posted by ezmoney

Why wait there are flights leaving today!! Bon Voyage!!

Duh... I'm an opportunist... and currently the best opportunities for me are here. Seriously, though, I wouldn't go to France. That was just a joke. Maybe Italy, Spain, Sweden, Hong Kong, or the UK, though.

[apk919]

Originally Posted by smoseley

Actually, it's the official stance of most major religions that people of other religions are misled, not nuts, and definitely not "led by Demons" (i.e. EVIL).

Some people believe that whenever you commit a sin you're being "led by demons" (i.e. the devil). That doesn't make the people evil. And as I said, it's not my stance anyway.

Originally Posted by smoseley

Saying that Mohamed is evil or that we should destroy Islam is a Jihadist mentality. It is religious extremism to the point of cultural intolerance, and equates to what we call "Terrorism" when directed from "the other side".

I never heard McCain say anything remotely like this.

Originally Posted by smoseley

In short, it could be deduced that McCain is morally led by whacko Christian extremists (terrorists) who want to rid the world of all members of another religion, and he's got the most powerful army in the world to back that motive if he chooses to execute on it. Sound familiar? Does the world Holocaust ring a bell?

Where has McCain said he's morally led by someone who believes this? This is pure hyperbole. Obama's the one who's been financially supporting an obvious racist, bigot, egomaniac and America hater.

Originally Posted by smoseley

History does have a tendency to repeat itself. If this **** goes down, I'm moving my ass to France. [/font]

Promise? We'd hate to lose you Steve, but I'm really tired of people saying they're leaving the country if so and so gets elected, and then realize that even with so and so in charge, they seem to want to stay.

[NMRJock]

Larry, you know that if we're subscribed that we get an email when the thread is replied to with the post in it? So we see the stuff that you post before you inevitably edit/delete it almost immediately. I've sort of made a game of looking at how much your posts change from when you first post your reply to the final edit. You might want to take a minute to consider what you've typed before you push that button.

[LARRY]

Yeah, I don't mind....

You've probably noticed that I edit what I say so that I don't hurt people's feelings.

I start out angry and then edit it down.

Old habits die hard.

[ezmoney]

Originally Posted by Flash G

4.) Savings of roughly $200 Billion per year.

Show how and where you got this number from. Is it POA (plucked out of air).

Originally Posted by Kjakk

The point here is that there are negatives to McCain, if you don't believe the post here, look it up for yourself.

I personally don't like any of the candidates. You would think that in a nation of 330 million people we could find better people to run this country.

Originally Posted by Brennon

Why redeploy? Not our problem. Israel has 200-300 nuclear missles; they can wipe out the middle east in a matter of hours. We merely hold them back from protecting themselves. If they get attacked, they can handle it. Our meddling in the affairs of the world are what create terrorism. (e.g. black ops missions going back 70 years) What's in our best interest is to end any foreign occupation as we simply cannot afford it. We have a one trillion dollar a year empire which we have no way of maintaining.

A nuclear war in the middle east would be disasterous for our economy.
Sixty seven years ago we were fighting WW2. We're not occupying Germany and Japan or South Korea. We can afford a stong national defense or we will no longer be a nation.

The President's budget for 2008 totals $2.9 trillion. Percentages in parentheses indicate percentage change compared to 2007. This budget request is broken down by the following expenditures:

Mandatory spending: $1.788 trillion (+4.2%)
$608 billion (+4.5%) - Social Security
$386 billion (+5.2%) - Medicare
$209 billion (+5.6%) - Medicaid and the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP)
$324 billion (+1.8%) - Unemployment/Welfare/Other mandatory spending
$261 billion (+9.2%) - Interest on National Debt
Discretionary spending: $1.114 trillion (+3.1%)
$481.4 billion (+12.1%) - United States Department of Defense
$145.2 billion (+45.8%) - Global War on Terror
$69.3 billion (+0.3%) - Health and Human Services
$56.0 billion (+0.0%) - United States Department of Education
$39.4 billion (+18.7%) - United States Department of Veterans Affairs
$35.2 billion (+1.4%) - US Department of Housing and Urban Development
$35.0 billion (+22.0%) - State and Other International Programs
$34.3 billion (+7.2%) - Department of Homeland Security
$24.3 billion (+6.6%) - Energy
$20.2 billion (+4.1%) - Department of Justice
$20.2 billion (+3.1%) - Department of Agriculture
$17.3 billion (+6.8%) - National Aeronautics and Space Administration
$12.1 billion (+13.1%) - Department of Transportation
$12.1 billion (+6.1%) - Department of Treasury
$10.6 billion (+2.9%) - United States Department of the Interior
$10.6 billion (-9.4%) - United States Department of Labor
$51.8 billion (+9.7%) - Other On-budget Discretionary Spending
$39.0 billion - Other Off-budget Discretionary Spending

Originally Posted by Brennon

BTW, all of what you're saying are extremely liberal ideas. (I'm not sure if you consider yourself Republican or not? Prior to 2000, that was the party line of the democrats)

Put down the coolaid I'm not a liberal democrat.

[pla_time]

Originally Posted by John

Great, $200B that we can allocate to bailing out homeowners, subsidizing the corn industry, and giving away more entitlements to people who don't deserve it.

Um, the funds that are being used for the Iraq/Afganistan operations are actually not money in the US Treasury, but rather borrowed money (e.g., from China and other investors). If we don't spend it, we are just not borrowing it. It won't be anything that we can turn around and spend somewhere else. [That is, not maxxing out your credit card on some stuff is probably a good thing, but it really isn't such a smart idea to max it out on some other stuff.]

[ezmoney]

Originally Posted by smoseley

Duh... I'm an opportunist... and currently the best opportunities for me are here. Seriously, though, I wouldn't go to France. That was just a joke. Maybe Italy, Spain, Sweden, Hong Kong, or the UK, though.

My answer was also a joke. Incase you change your mind

[ezmoney]

Originally Posted by LARRY

Yeah, I don't mind....

You've probably noticed that I edit what I say so that I don't hurt people's feelings.

I start out angry and then edit it down.

Old habits die hard.

Larry

I actually write my posts to offend as many people as I can. If there is someone out there that I haven't offended, be patient, I'm working as fast as I can!

[Flash G]

Originally Posted by ezmoney

Show how and where you got this number from. Is it POA (plucked out of air).

I don't ever pluck things out of air. I always back up my arguments with fact.

$200billion between Jan `07 and this year alone.

What Iraq will cost the U.S. - Jan. 11, 2008


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[LARRY]

Originally Posted by ezmoney

Larry

I actually write my posts to offend as many people as I can. If there is someone out there that I haven't offended, be patient, I'm working as fast as I can!