Photo Radar: Zapped while making a right turn - LotusTalk

Allan Gibbs · 11-28-2008, 02:07 PM

I was making a right turn while the light was red and noticed a flash. Could it be the photo radar thought I was running the red? Do they review the photos before sending out tickets? I'm wondering if I should be expecting something in the mail in a few weeks. I'll fight it but hoping I don't have to go through the hassle.

Noisycow · 11-28-2008, 02:21 PM

The photos are reviewed; it will be tossed. Don't worry about it at all.

25psi_Elise_Killer · 11-28-2008, 02:24 PM

L.A. red light cameras clicking for safety or revenue? - Los Angeles Times

RacyTracy · 11-28-2008, 02:48 PM

You should be OK....there's a camera that gets me 3-4 days a week on the way to work, and I've never received a ticket. It seems like the closer I stop to the white line, the more apt I am to set it off. They are reviewed.

codymac · 11-28-2008, 03:07 PM

They're not reviewed here and I wouldn't count on them being reviewd in CA.

Welcome to TX - smile and say "Cheese!"

Gizmo3000 · 11-28-2008, 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Allan Gibbs

I was making a right turn while the light was red and noticed a flash. Could it be the photo radar thought I was running the red? Do they review the photos before sending out tickets? I'm wondering if I should be expecting something in the mail in a few weeks. I'll fight it but hoping I don't have to go through the hassle.

it's legal to make a right on red (here in Cali), so hopefully the photos show your wheels turned and they'll toss it before trying to ticket you for it.
- or you'll be able to easily fight it.

...and hopefully you have no front plate as well?

jk13 · 11-28-2008, 06:23 PM

Hopefully you weren't moving before you decided to turn. I got a $75 ticket mailed to me for 'running' a red light when I didn't come to a complete stop before making a right turn on red...

Bavarian Motorist · 11-28-2008, 08:01 PM

It's just a small fine. $50 here in NY. Violation isn't designated to any driver. Unless you can conclusively show you aren't breaking the law, I wouldn't bother.

25psi_Elise_Killer · 11-28-2008, 11:25 PM

I know the redlight camera in the Walnut, CA area. If you make a rolling right hand turn when the light is red, the fine is smaller than just running the light outright. I dunno if points get assessed on your license though for right hand turns infractions.

exarkun1178 · 11-28-2008, 11:52 PM

we are just now getting a few trial ones in 2 township here in jersey... yup , my town is one of the 2... cant wait to see how this plays out...

Allan Gibbs · 11-29-2008, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by 25psi_Elise_Killer

I know the redlight camera in the Walnut, CA area. If you make a rolling right hand turn when the light is red, the fine is smaller than just running the light outright. I dunno if points get assessed on your license though for right hand turns infractions.

Thanks for the link. Took a look and it's likke $380 for running a red and $160 or so for rolling a red. I guess I'll just have to wait and see.

25psi_Elise_Killer · 11-29-2008, 10:09 PM

The fine shouldn't concern you too much, its the points against your drivers license is what should concern you more... When i went to traffic school a few years ago to wipeout some points on my license, 75% of the people in there were senior citizens who received red light camera tickets...

codymac · 11-30-2008, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by 25psi_Elise_Killer

The fine shouldn't concern you too much, its the points against your drivers license is what should concern you more... When i went to traffic school a few years ago to wipeout some points on my license, 75% of the people in there were senior citizens who received red light camera tickets...

You guys get points in CA? That stinks.

Here, since there's not an officer witnessing it, they can't even count it as a moving violation. It's considered a civil offense here.

Of course, they're ticketing people illegally, but the know it and continue to regardless:

Texas Red Light Camera Offenses Require Imagination

It's $75 in Dallas, and that's about the minimum an attorney will charge for traffic, so most won't even touch a camera citation. They just advise to pay it (since it's not a moving violation) or pro se it.

Allan Gibbs · 12-05-2008, 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 25psi_Elise_Killer

The fine shouldn't concern you too much, its the points against your drivers license is what should concern you more... When i went to traffic school a few years ago to wipeout some points on my license, 75% of the people in there were senior citizens who received red light camera tickets...

Got the ticket in the mail today.

Any attorneys on board that can advise if mailing this notice constitutes proper service? Also, the ticket is issued by the company contracted to administer the ticket and says "Do not contact the court." I'm wondering if that is also valid and the company is in Arizona (jurisdiction issues?).

And yes, I got some of those idea for this site:
Home - Fighting Red Light Camera Tickets

I also don't see a traffic school option which is kind of strange since if I were cited by an office, that would be an option.

mikehall · 12-05-2008, 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Allan Gibbs

Got the ticket in the mail today.

Any attorneys on board that can advise if mailing this notice constitutes proper service? Also, the ticket is issued by the company contracted to administer the ticket and says "Do not contact the court." I'm wondering if that is also valid and the company is in Arizona (jurisdiction issues?).

And yes, I got some of those idea for this site:
Home - Fighting Red Light Camera Tickets

I also don't see a traffic school option which is kind of strange since if I were cited by an office, that would be an option.

Is it a real ticket or just a violation notice? I got a 'Traffic Violation Notice' back in July after rolling through a red light on a right turn and ignored it after reading all the stuff out there on the web about these cameras. So far so good, nothing came up on my license renewal and nothing on my registration renewal either and no follow up letters. Fingers crossed!

serpent · 12-06-2008, 07:33 AM

the ticket for red light cameras and speed cameras are just fines. So just pay the fine, no point in going to school over it because no points.

Allan Gibbs · 12-08-2008, 01:03 PM

Talked to Mark Scrader with the Law Office of Sherman Elison (the Traffic Ticket Attorney) and he said the "Traffic Violation Notice" was a "Snitch Ticket" which is not actually a ticket by a means by which they get you to incriminate yourself. He said it could be ignored. IF the city decides to follow up, I will get a notice to appear in court at which point, I can gon LA Superior Court's site and request to go to traffic school.

There's some helpful information on his site:
Los Angeles California Traffic Red Light Camera & Radar Ticket Attorney

and the site previously mentioned on this thread:
Los Angeles California Traffic Red Light Camera & Radar Ticket Attorney

And as a precaution, I'm also double checking with another attorney who focus on traffic type of cases.

11-28-2008, 02:07 PM	#1 (permalink)
Allan Gibbs Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Glendale, CA (formerly Gilbert, AZ) Posts: 5,382	Photo Radar: Zapped while making a right turn I was making a right turn while the light was red and noticed a flash. Could it be the photo radar thought I was running the red? Do they review the photos before sending out tickets? I'm wondering if I should be expecting something in the mail in a few weeks. I'll fight it but hoping I don't have to go through the hassle. __________________ 2005 BRP Elise- SOLD 6/9/07 2006 MV Agusta F4S - SOLD 4/30/09 2008 Audi TT (MKII) 2009 Audi A4 2009 Ducati 1198

11-28-2008, 02:21 PM	#2 (permalink)
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11-28-2008, 02:24 PM	#3 (permalink)
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11-28-2008, 02:48 PM	#4 (permalink)
RacyTracy V Not my picture V Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Palatine, IL Posts: 9,076	You should be OK....there's a camera that gets me 3-4 days a week on the way to work, and I've never received a ticket. It seems like the closer I stop to the white line, the more apt I am to set it off. They are reviewed. __________________ Tracy 1996 Porsche 993TT 2008 Toyota FJ Cruiser LOG 29 photos

11-28-2008, 03:07 PM	#5 (permalink)
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11-28-2008, 06:23 PM	#7 (permalink)
jk13 Former Lotus, current Z06 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: College Station, TX Posts: 132	Hopefully you weren't moving before you decided to turn. I got a $75 ticket mailed to me for 'running' a red light when I didn't come to a complete stop before making a right turn on red...

11-28-2008, 08:01 PM	#8 (permalink)
Bavarian Motorist Live to Drive Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: NYC/Westchester, NY Posts: 10,850	It's just a small fine. $50 here in NY. Violation isn't designated to any driver. Unless you can conclusively show you aren't breaking the law, I wouldn't bother. __________________ Be an alpha male. Drive a Lotus.

11-28-2008, 11:25 PM	#9 (permalink)
25psi_Elise_Killer Drunk on alcohol Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 3,130	I know the redlight camera in the Walnut, CA area. If you make a rolling right hand turn when the light is red, the fine is smaller than just running the light outright. I dunno if points get assessed on your license though for right hand turns infractions. __________________ '06 Evo IX Stage 1E Tuned by Road Race Engineering(Stock:turbo,intake,internals,ECU) Walbro 255lph fuel pump,RC Engineering1000cc Injectors, AVO exhaust,RRE dyno tune flash, Dejon Tool boost controller (325whp @ 22PSI Costco 91 octane, 353whp @ 25psi on 100 octane, 383whp @30psi on E85) , Zeitronix wideband,Zeitronix Ethanol Content Analyzer, Defi BF gauges, Stoptech rotors, SS brakelines,Graphic/Interior Design,Brand Identities,Invitations www.nomadic-nomads.com

11-28-2008, 11:52 PM	#10 (permalink)
exarkun1178 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Point Pleasant Beach, NJ Posts: 4,285	we are just now getting a few trial ones in 2 township here in jersey... yup , my town is one of the 2... cant wait to see how this plays out...

11-29-2008, 10:09 PM	#12 (permalink)
25psi_Elise_Killer Drunk on alcohol Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 3,130	The fine shouldn't concern you too much, its the points against your drivers license is what should concern you more... When i went to traffic school a few years ago to wipeout some points on my license, 75% of the people in there were senior citizens who received red light camera tickets... __________________ '06 Evo IX Stage 1E Tuned by Road Race Engineering(Stock:turbo,intake,internals,ECU) Walbro 255lph fuel pump,RC Engineering1000cc Injectors, AVO exhaust,RRE dyno tune flash, Dejon Tool boost controller (325whp @ 22PSI Costco 91 octane, 353whp @ 25psi on 100 octane, 383whp @30psi on E85) , Zeitronix wideband,Zeitronix Ethanol Content Analyzer, Defi BF gauges, Stoptech rotors, SS brakelines,Graphic/Interior Design,Brand Identities,Invitations www.nomadic-nomads.com

12-06-2008, 07:33 AM	#16 (permalink)
serpent Driver!! Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 3,422	the ticket for red light cameras and speed cameras are just fines. So just pay the fine, no point in going to school over it because no points. __________________ Studies show 100% of people die. Might as well have some fun.

12-08-2008, 01:03 PM	#17 (permalink)
Allan Gibbs Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Glendale, CA (formerly Gilbert, AZ) Posts: 5,382	Talked to Mark Scrader with the Law Office of Sherman Elison (the Traffic Ticket Attorney) and he said the "Traffic Violation Notice" was a "Snitch Ticket" which is not actually a ticket by a means by which they get you to incriminate yourself. He said it could be ignored. IF the city decides to follow up, I will get a notice to appear in court at which point, I can gon LA Superior Court's site and request to go to traffic school. There's some helpful information on his site: Los Angeles California Traffic Red Light Camera & Radar Ticket Attorney and the site previously mentioned on this thread: Los Angeles California Traffic Red Light Camera & Radar Ticket Attorney And as a precaution, I'm also double checking with another attorney who focus on traffic type of cases. __________________ 2005 BRP Elise- SOLD 6/9/07 2006 MV Agusta F4S - SOLD 4/30/09 2008 Audi TT (MKII) 2009 Audi A4 2009 Ducati 1198

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