Thought some of you might want to sign this petition...

[MidasHands]

I don't want this to be a politcal thread. Just wanted to pass the info on:

American Solutions for Winning the Future

[skelliott2]

I signed it. The Wallstreet Journal had some interesting commentaries last week about the US oil reserves and our unwillingness to tap them. We are the only country in the world that is purposly not exploiting oil and gas natuaral resources. The other thing we need to do is to get China to stop artificially reducing the gas prices there. They pay about $1 less a gallon due to government subsidies, so their consumption is still skyrocketing.

[Simplicity]

Reduced consumption of resources is key to the reduced Human impact on this planet. The last thing we need to do is destroy the planet by drilling for more resources. Higher gas prices is what we need in order to reduce consumption and create more efficient transportation.

The economy runs on oil...but future of the human species is more important than the economy...

Just my $0.02

[Vampyre]

Originally Posted by Simplicity

Reduced consumption of resources is key to the reduced Human impact on this planet.....

just my .02 cents

[JUNGLISTluder]

I'm not suppporting the defacing of our beautiful country. I'd rather support the migration to a new energy source.

[exarkun1178]

Originally Posted by MidasHands

I don't want this to be a politcal thread. Just wanted to pass the info on:

American Solutions for Winning the Future

[tandemracer]

Originally Posted by JUNGLISTluder

I'm not suppporting the defacing of our beautiful country. I'd rather support the migration to a new energy source.

Tell me which energy source you think would be acceptable. The Greenies reject every realistic option - nuclear, hydro, coal, etc. And don't start talking any nonsense about ethanol. We would have to farm the entire planet if wanted enough to replace all the oil we use.

BTW - some parts of this country are not all that beautiful and I wouldn't mind seeing them defaced if it means that our economy can continue to thrive.

[Simplicity]

Originally Posted by tandemracer

Tell me which energy source you think would be acceptable. The Greenies reject every realistic option - nuclear, hydro, coal, etc.

Reduced consumption of energy works

[JUNGLISTluder]

Originally Posted by tandemracer

Tell me which energy source you think would be acceptable. The Greenies reject every realistic option - nuclear, hydro, coal, etc. And don't start talking any nonsense about ethanol. We would have to farm the entire planet if wanted enough to replace all the oil we use.

BTW - some parts of this country are not all that beautiful and I wouldn't mind seeing them defaced if it means that our economy can continue to thrive.

I'm more along the lines of wind/solar/hydro energy in combination with reduced consumption. Also, the ugly parts of the county are usually like that for a reason....lack of natural resources.

Plus, in the big picture....screw our economy. I'd rather my decendents have a nice planet to live on, than for me to have inexpensive groceries and fuel.

[John Stimson]

Nice short-sighted, band-aid solution. Not partisan really, just stupid.

[JuBond]

Here's something that I caught on Engadget yesterday. Scientists have developed bacteria that eats waste and produces almost car ready oil. The process uses up more CO2 emissions than it produces. Check it out.

Scientists create mutant bugs that produce crude oil, unleash swarm of merciless killers - Engadget

[Simplicity]

Originally Posted by apk919

Yeah, just ask Al Gore

Forget Gore...and his Inconvenient Truth

Watch the 11th hour:

The 11th Hour cu subtitrare in romana

(Yes, it's in English)

[frostylocks]

there is no way i would sign that..

i am from coastal Louisiana. i have seen the environmental devastation that continues to this day down there from the oil and gas industry. think it's a bunch of hippie tree-hugging hocum? just look at an aerial photo from google maps of land southwest of new orleans...think mother nature carved all of those perfectly straight canals thru the marshland? man carved it up as location canals to get to wellheads which leads to coastal erosion and saltwater intrusion and so forth. beautiful cypress trees have died from the saltwater..groves and groves of them. i see fewer and fewer reptiles and amphibians from years ago. when you catch more and more saltwater fish in traditionally fresh black-water areas where you used to catch bass and perch, something's amiss.

here's the punchline...i hold mineral rights to oil and gas leases...i would make an assload of money off of this!

i say no.

[Murix]

How about we change our living habits and move more people within walking or bicycling distance of the things they need to do? I am all for keeping high prices to force long term change and get us out of our cars. That means more open roads for me to drive when I want to drive.

disclaimer: I do live within walking distance of the things I want to do and always have. That is a choice everyone can make. I also have gas rights on land I own in Texas that makes me money. So what.

[JUNGLISTluder]

Originally Posted by Murix

How about we change our living habits and move more people within walking or bicycling distance of the things they need to do? I am all for keeping high prices to force long term change and get us out of our cars. That means more open roads for me to drive when I want to drive.

disclaimer: I do live within walking distance of the things I want to do and always have. That is a choice everyone can make. I also have gas rights on land I own in Texas that makes me money. So what.

We also need to implement WORKING FROM HOME. There are so many people that needlessly commute to work each day when they can do the same job, just as well, from the comfort of home. Desk jobs from home FTW!

[Murix]

I work from home, and I put my home right in the middle of a mixed business/residential area.

I completely agree.

[Simplicity]

Originally Posted by apk919

billions of people in the developing world are going to want the same quality of life that we have now... and that's going to require more energy, not less.

Unfortunately for them...resources are peaking and their demand will exceed supply.

[NomisR]

Originally Posted by JUNGLISTluder

I'm more along the lines of wind/solar/hydro energy in combination with reduced consumption. Also, the ugly parts of the county are usually like that for a reason....lack of natural resources.

Plus, in the big picture....screw our economy. I'd rather my decendents have a nice planet to live on, than for me to have inexpensive groceries and fuel.

See? Environmentalists are against that too, wind energy kills birds and changes the wind pattern, solar energy takes energy from the sun that otherwise would be absorbed by the earth which causes earth to cool, hydro absorb energy from the waves and changes hibitat for the fish. In other words, they want us to all live in caves and eat raw food. We're not even allowed to start a fire to keep ourselves warm because that creates C02 which is bad..

[JUNGLISTluder]

Originally Posted by NomisR

See? Environmentalists are against that too, wind energy kills birds and changes the wind pattern, solar energy takes energy from the sun that otherwise would be absorbed by the earth which causes earth to cool, hydro absorb energy from the waves and changes hibitat for the fish. In other words, they want us to all live in caves and eat raw food. We're not even allowed to start a fire to keep ourselves warm because that creates C02 which is bad..

How would a wind-farm be any more devastating to the wind pattern than any major US city? I think that large buildings block/redirect much more wind that any windmill. And if a bird flies into a windmill, he/she needs to pay more attention to where they are going!

Regarding solar energy cooling the earth, I think that we have enough pavement on this planet absorbing heat emissions from the sun that it would negate any type of cooling effect from solar energy absorbtion.

Hydro energy is a bit more tricky and should be moderated. I don't think we need to dam every river out there, but it is defenitely something to investigate.

I'm all for cavemen eating raw food. Bring it!

[Smoky]

Environmental issues aside (that's not what this topic is about...this topic is about the prices of fuel and how we can mitigate the costs of fuel during our transition away from 100% dependence on oil)...

The problem is not our dependence on foreign oil. The problem is our lack of oil refineries to process the amounts of oil we could be receiving. Our refinery processes have not kept up with demand. Saud et al. would be happy to sell us all the oil we need.. we just can't process it fast enough to turn around fuel, plastics, etc.

The tree-hugger effect should help to mitigate demand temporarily. And although I agree we do need to tap our own resource pools (not only in oil, but also in manufacturing and agriculture....keep the jobs HERE!!!), this is not the primary cause of our (and other country's) rising fuel costs.