Typical liberal media response to ICE raid in Mississippi . . .

[local600]

Fox news = Liberal

We've done this to ourselves people. Illegals do all the jobs your kids are too lazy to do. Is your kid going to pick strawberries in the hot sun for ten hours a day, nope. If the job paid MORE, would he do it? Wash dishes MAYBE. But then we'd be paying more for strawberries or fast food and nobody wants that, right?

Other side of the coin.
If you were a poor Mexican would you get some crap job there, or run to the land of opportunity?

It all comes down to greed. This country has been exploiting cheap labor since children were working in factories and since it was free in the form of slavery. The fact is that not much has changed, it's just that the corporate fat cats have found new ways to not employ Americans or pay a fair wadge.

China!
Their largest export is,.... anyone, anyone. Stickers that read: "made in China." From toys to iphones to American Flag pins, everything is made in China, why? Because whitey don't want to pay more for an iphone made by Americans. We are selling ourselves out and it reached the epitome of sell-out recently when a manufacturing job farmed out to China was then produced by that Chinese company HERE in America!! What? Turns out it was cheaper because the power here is more reliable and then they don't have to ship it. Wow, China a middle man. Made here, but they still get the money. Chinese firms bargain hunting in U.S. - Los Angeles Times If you think that's ironic, next time you go to buy some 4th of July hats and decorations, look at where they are made and think twice.

I'm not FOR illegal immigration. I grew up in San Diego where illegals stole from us and taught each other how to drive on our street. (Flower growing area, an industry that is also gone.) But I do understand why illegals would come here and why we allow it. We are the USA, if we wanted to shut our borders down, we would. Lawmakers know that this country needs people to do the jobs we won't do.

Greed is the bottom line. CEO's used to only make a few hundred times the more pay than the lowest paid worker, now they make thousands of times more than the lowest paid worker. Instead of a company laying off several workers, perhaps the CEO should hold off on the Lambo and settle for a Lotus.

Speaking of Lotus, can we get back to talking about that?

[lotusforsale]

Originally Posted by LotusLust

touche. actually i live where any thread heralded with some political slur using a label as insult in the title is not worthy of a complete read.

The word 'Illegal' is not a slur, political or otherwise. It is a statement of fact.

Apparently, you live in a place where the censorship is common practice.

[ezmoney]

Originally Posted by ...m...

...certainly there's a nice parity to treating all victimless crimes the same way; why not speeding and emissions violations too?

Committ the same 'victimless' crime in Mexico and see where you end up!

[lotusforsale]

Originally Posted by ezmoney

Immigration isn't a problem. ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION is a very big problem.

Haven't you heard? There is no such thing as an illegal immigrant'...only 'undocumented aliens.'

You gotta start getting the lingo down if you're going to make it through the NObama years!

[fishguy]

Originally Posted by Tracktimeplz

And you just have no idea what the hell you are talking about so you should stop.

+1 to this statement about brennons posts.

#1)we stole the indians land and way of life......................

#2) also, I am in AZ., lots of immigrantion issues here from the south.
people dont come here for freebies as you think, they come here for opportunities to make a better life for them and their families, just as my grandparents did. the people from south of the border generally work much harder, dont expect a cigarette break every 30 minutes, and are not looking for handouts, they are looking for opportunities to WORK.
there are not the same opportunities in many countries like there are here in the US. thats why people want to be here.

what i see the biggest issue is, as far as immigrating from mex. anyway, is that the only way you can do so legally is to get married during you short 6 month visitors visa stay..................
IMO they need to make a guest worker program and legally allow people to live here, work, pay taxes. break they law(not traffic laws, but crimes with victims), and adios muchachos por vida.
here in AZ they are enforcing/posturing to enforce the laws with employer sanctions.......... problem is, they will remove the workforce from these jobs. many americans (over 18 yrs old)dont want many of these jobs that are being taken because welfare pays more than working many of these crappy jobs. now the economy will suffer. when it hits the wallet, the laws will change. stop allowing welfare for long term, people will get hingry and work. why are so many poor people in THIS country fat, and other countries they (the poor)are skin and bones?

its a no win for anyone, but IMO, they need to make the legal residency easier for those who want to work and contribute to society, and have the opportunities that we(US citizens) take for granted here.

[exarkun1178]

i believe strongly in legal immigration. there are quite a few option available to those that want it.

we should not want or encourage illegal immigration at any level. as far as American that do want to work those jobs! the only Americans that do not want to work those jobs are the same one who dont want to work any job, much rather sit on the couch(that the state pays for) watching tv(that the state pays for) eating food(that the state pays for) and raising kids(that the state pays for) ive meet plenty of people who are responsible for themselves and have family's that will work what ever they can to provide for that family. walk in to a local fast food place and i bet youll see a few family types doing what they have to do. heck look at the managers. do you think they were like, boy when i grow up i want to manage a mcd's... nope, but they do the job because they must provide for the family. same with landscaping. cooks, the like.

the biggest problem in America is the lack of personal responsibility. that is where as a nation we need to begin efforts if we expect to remain on top of the free world.

think for a moment, personal resposabilty,

very few if any law suits(as we will realize it is not always someone else fault that the coffee we order is very hot and may burn us)

no need for state handouts, we will realize that we are responsible to provide for our selfs and those being's we create(on purpose or by accident)

no need for public education(we will realize that education takes effort and money and is something that should be earned....earned at an almost exhaustive level.) and those that cant wount or dont must deal with what that will mean...

population would come under control, as only those ready for a family will make a family. that kids, or adults that cant afford to have children simply will be responsible enough to know that making baby's is not an option.

i can go on... i think you get the idea

[tcnohead]

Has anyone mentioned the enormous increase in identity theft cases in recent years that are directly attributed to illegal immigration?

[bueno]

WOW!!! I didn't know hispanics lived in Mississippi...just WOW!!!

[Brennon]

Originally Posted by fishguy

+1 to this statement about brennons posts.

#1)we stole the indians land and way of life......................

#2) also, I am in AZ., lots of immigrantion issues here from the south.
people dont come here for freebies as you think, they come here for opportunities to make a better life for them and their families, just as my grandparents did. the people from south of the border generally work much harder, dont expect a cigarette break every 30 minutes, and are not looking for handouts, they are looking for opportunities to WORK.
there are not the same opportunities in many countries like there are here in the US. thats why people want to be here.

what i see the biggest issue is, as far as immigrating from mex. anyway, is that the only way you can do so legally is to get married during you short 6 month visitors visa stay..................
IMO they need to make a guest worker program and legally allow people to live here, work, pay taxes. break they law(not traffic laws, but crimes with victims), and adios muchachos por vida.
here in AZ they are enforcing/posturing to enforce the laws with employer sanctions.......... problem is, they will remove the workforce from these jobs. many americans (over 18 yrs old)dont want many of these jobs that are being taken because welfare pays more than working many of these crappy jobs. now the economy will suffer. when it hits the wallet, the laws will change. stop allowing welfare for long term, people will get hingry and work. why are so many poor people in THIS country fat, and other countries they (the poor)are skin and bones?

its a no win for anyone, but IMO, they need to make the legal residency easier for those who want to work and contribute to society, and have the opportunities that we(US citizens) take for granted here.

I never said anything against immigration

I pointed out the fact that many southwesterners have a problem with illegal immigration due to the drain on the healthcare systems, school systems, etc. You think anyone would be complaining if all they did was pick strawberries? That's a bit of a simplification of the issues at hand. If we ended the freebies, people would simply stop caring. I'm sure they do come here for a better life, but that does not mean they do not place a drain on the health care system, school system, etc. I've worked in a hospital and my significant other works with mediCal appeals. A majority of all mediCal appeals are for illegal aliens. This may not be their intent, but it's just how it is and why there is so much animosity towards them.

As far as Indians go...I've never quite understood the argument. It kind of assumes it was filled with peaceful and harmonious people that never warred with each other or conquered land. The europeans certainly commited atrocities, but so did numerous tribes.

[mopho]

Originally Posted by fishguy

+1 to this statement about brennons posts.

#1)we stole the indians land and way of life......................

#2) also, I am in AZ., lots of immigrantion issues here from the south.
people dont come here for freebies as you think, they come here for opportunities to make a better life for them and their families, just as my grandparents did. the people from south of the border generally work much harder, dont expect a cigarette break every 30 minutes, and are not looking for handouts, they are looking for opportunities to WORK.
there are not the same opportunities in many countries like there are here in the US. thats why people want to be here.

what i see the biggest issue is, as far as immigrating from mex. anyway, is that the only way you can do so legally is to get married during you short 6 month visitors visa stay..................
IMO they need to make a guest worker program and legally allow people to live here, work, pay taxes. break they law(not traffic laws, but crimes with victims), and adios muchachos por vida.
here in AZ they are enforcing/posturing to enforce the laws with employer sanctions.......... problem is, they will remove the workforce from these jobs. many americans (over 18 yrs old)dont want many of these jobs that are being taken because welfare pays more than working many of these crappy jobs. now the economy will suffer. when it hits the wallet, the laws will change. stop allowing welfare for long term, people will get hingry and work. why are so many poor people in THIS country fat, and other countries they (the poor)are skin and bones?

its a no win for anyone, but IMO, they need to make the legal residency easier for those who want to work and contribute to society, and have the opportunities that we(US citizens) take for granted here.

Exactly! I am sure that most illegal aliens would love to come here legally, but our govt. makes it near impossible for them to do so. My wife is from Japan and she got her green card through her job. She was working for Harvard and had Harvard lawyers on the case and it still took nearly 7 years, thousands of dollars and was a very tough process as she had to prove that she had a skill that was not common to Americans. Through the whole process her job had to sponsor her visa, she could not change jobs if she had a better offer, or move out of State.
If she was someone working a blue collar job it would have been impossible. I have read that it would take 15 years for someone from Mexico to come here legally if they could even come up with the money to start the process and prove they have a unique skill

Originally Posted by lotusforsale

The word 'Illegal' is not a slur, political or otherwise. It is a statement of fact.

Apparently, you live in a place where the censorship is common practice.

I believe he was referring to the word "liberal", you know the very nice and positive word that folks from the right managed to turn into an insult

[skelliott2]

Just curious if anyone noticed this statement in the article. It struck me as a bit funny:

"Those detained were from Brazil, El Salvador, Germany, Guatemala, Honduras, Mexico, Panama, and Peru, said Barbara Gonzalez, an ICE spokeswoman."

Don't see that country metioned with all the others normally!!

If we want to talk what in my opinion should be illegal immigration, we should talk about the Indian consulting firms using L1 (supposed to used for company executives moving between countries for large internationals) visas to bring consultants on-shore to take US jobs. I can tell you this is happening from first hand experience!!

[ezmoney]

Originally Posted by tcnohead

Has anyone mentioned the enormous increase in identity theft cases in recent years that are directly attributed to illegal immigration?

Originally Posted by Brennon

I never said anything against immigration

I pointed out the fact that many southwesterners have a problem with illegal immigration due to the drain on the healthcare systems, school systems, etc. You think anyone would be complaining if all they did was pick strawberries? That's a bit of a simplification of the issues at hand. If we ended the freebies, people would simply stop caring. I'm sure they do come here for a better life, but that does not mean they do not place a drain on the health care system, school system, etc. I've worked in a hospital and my significant other works with mediCal appeals. A majority of all mediCal appeals are for illegal aliens.

Besides identity theft there are the gangs like Mara 18.
The following quote is a few years old but is still very true.
The popular perception of illegal aliens crossing our southern border is that they are merely poor Mexicans trying to find a better life here. But increasingly, the border is being crossed by hardened, often violent criminals. During the past five months, more than 42,000 of the illegal aliens caught at the border were convicted criminals or people being sought in connection with crimes, according to federal officials. About 139,000 of the illegal aliens arrested last year fell into the same category.

Mexican Cartels Rule Drug Trade, Gangs across the border now top supplier to U.S.
Mexico's drug gangs have been highly successful in the past two decades, gradually replacing Colombian gangs in the United States to control the profitable distribution of cocaine from coast to coast. Colombia remains the world's largest producer, but Larry Holifield, the DEA's director for Mexico and Central America, says Mexican cartels are now the most powerful in the world. In 2003, Mexican traffickers supplied 77 percent of the cocaine that entered the US. Last year, it was 92 percent, Anthony Placido, the top DEA intelligence official, told a congressional panel in June.
They also bring in most of the methamphetamine.

There is a drain on the health care system, the school system, and the criminal justice system. So much for victimless crimes.

[necro]

Originally Posted by skelliott2

Just curious if anyone noticed this statement in the article. It struck me as a bit funny:

"Those detained were from Brazil, El Salvador, Germany, Guatemala, Honduras, Mexico, Panama, and Peru, said Barbara Gonzalez, an ICE spokeswoman."

Don't see that country metioned with all the others normally!!

I was JUST going to post exactly that!

Being from Germany - I have to admit it's part of our plan to invade the world. But usually we do this with sandals and as tourists.

[skelliott2]

That or with your ERP systems (SAP to be precise)

Originally Posted by necro

I was JUST going to post exactly that!

Being from Germany - I have to admint it's part of our plan to invade the world. But usually we do this with sandals and as tourists.

[ezmoney]

Originally Posted by mopho

Exactly! I am sure that most illegal aliens would love to come here legally, but our govt. makes it near impossible for them to do so. My wife is from Japan and she got her green card through her job. She was working for Harvard and had Harvard lawyers on the case and it still took nearly 7 years, thousands of dollars and was a very tough process as she had to prove that she had a skill that was not common to Americans. Through the whole process her job had to sponsor her visa, she could not change jobs if she had a better offer, or move out of State.
If she was someone working a blue collar job it would have been impossible. I have read that it would take 15 years for someone from Mexico to come here legally if they could even come up with the money to start the process and prove they have a unique skill

My first wife was a German national. We were married while I lived in Germany. I had to jump thru all the same hoops to get her a green card so that her and my daughter could come to the USA. Being here in America is worth the work and effort involved in getting here legally.
This is the only way we have to keep undesireables out of the country. See my post #32 for the results if we don't control immigration.

Originally Posted by mopho

I believe he was referring to the word "liberal", you know the very nice and positive word that folks from the right managed to turn into an insult

I'm a conservative and proud of being one. I don't run from the title. People on the left hate being called 'liberal' and run from the title. I guess the new title that they like is 'progressive'.

[Tracktimeplz]

I have no problem whatsoever with people from ANY country wanting to import to the US. HOWEVER, you need to follow proper channels. Now those channels may need some work, but thats no excuse to avoid them all together.

As a mostly liberal individual, I personally believe that immigrants should have to pay a special immigration tax to pay for their paperwork and processing over time. Again, nothing against people wanting a piece of the American dream, but you need to pay your own way and follow the rules to get it.

[Serebo1]

Liberal Dramatic and paper-selling?

[ivan1]

Originally Posted by tcnohead

Has anyone mentioned the enormous increase in identity theft cases in recent years that are directly attributed to illegal immigration?

people are stealing those poor illegal immigrants' identity too? That is just heartless!!!!

[mopho]

Originally Posted by ezmoney

My first wife was a German national. We were married while I lived in Germany. I had to jump thru all the same hoops to get her a green card so that her and my daughter could come to the USA. Being here in America is worth the work and effort involved in getting here legally.
This is the only way we have to keep undesireables out of the country. See my post #32 for the results if we don't control immigration.

And it appears you missed the point which is that it is practically impossible to come here legally unless you get married to a citizen or have some sort of white collar job that is in demand here.

And your post #32 is a border control issue and has little to do with why people are coming here and working illegally, those criminal don't come here to work jobs.

If the govt made it easier to become a citizen it would go a long way to solve the problem and make it much easier to protect our borders because people would have have some hope of actually getting in legally and go through the proper channels, right now they don't

I'm a conservative and proud of being one. I don't run from the title. People on the left hate being called 'liberal' and run from the title. I guess the new title that they like is 'progressive'.

I think most people that are liberal are proud of the fact, but hate when people like yourself spin it as a slur.
Now instead of continually starting these controversial threads, why don't you take your right wing agenda to some political forum, this is a car forum that is place to make new friends with a common interest, not turn us against each other and create disdain over politics

[Monsi]

Originally Posted by LotusLust

Typical liberal media response to ICE raid in Mississippi . . .

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i just have to say how hilarious it strikes me to see your title followed by a fox news link!

you must live FAR to the right

+10000000

isn't bush the one that wants to let illegals stay here?
if bush is leftwing, what does that make me?