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Old 03-26-2008, 11:05 AM   #1 (permalink)
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What is "a manufacturer buyback in the vehicle history"

There is a dealer on Ebay who seems to have the following on the majority of the cars listed "have a manufacturer buyback in the vehicle history, but it has a clean regular Arizona title." Not sure what it means
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Old 03-26-2008, 11:08 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Means the car is Lemon. Our Mini Cooper S was Lemon lawed. It later had same history.

Lemon Law Vehicle —
A vehicle with major problems that has been repurchased by or had its price renegotiated with the manufacturer. The state marks its official records or issues a title brand for lemon law vehicles. Laws vary by state as to the specific requirements for a "lemon". Most manufacturers issue some buybacks that are not the result of Lemon Laws but rather a courtesy.

Manufacturer Buyback or Lemon —
A DMV or a state agency marks an official document or issues a Manufacturer Buyback/Lemon title when a vehicle has been repurchased by the manufacturer. Not all states issue manufacturer buyback titles and the specific requirements for a lemon law vehicle vary by state.
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There is a dealer on Ebay who seems to have the following on the majority of the cars listed "have a manufacturer buyback in the vehicle history, but it has a clean regular Arizona title." Not sure what it means
It means that the car was most likely repurchased from the original buyer as a result of a "lemon law", or some other major problem with the car that required the manufacturer to refund the money.

Probably something that you might want to stay away from. But you might also find some good deals there.
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The first year RX-8 had a buy-back since they grossly overstated the horsepower, I imagine you could find a few carfaxes for perfectly healthy 04 RX-8's that had a manufacturer buyback on it.
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if the problems were fixed and the car was highly discounted, would it still be a good deal, as far as the buyback program goes?

not used to buying this way just curious
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My father unknowingly purchased a one year old "lemon law" Cadillac several years ago, because he didn't bother to read the mountain of paperwork supplied at the time of making the deal. Never realized it until he went to trade in the car, which was trouble free during the entire time he owned it. A great example of "Caveat Emptor".

I'd try to find out the reasons behind the "buyback" before purchase. My understanding of the "lemon law" in Pennsylvania is that it comes into play if the vehicle has a problem which can't be resolved after three repair attempts by the dealer. Technically, this could involve something as simple as the cigarette lighter being inop. Depending on the circumstances with the vehicle in question, it could be the opportunity to acquire it at a good price but then again.....
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if the problems were fixed and the car was highly discounted, would it still be a good deal, as far as the buyback program goes?

not used to buying this way just curious
In the case of the RX-8 I think they offered 3 years of free maintenance or buyback. I'm not sure what happened to all the cars that got bought back but it would probably have been a steal to pick one up considering there was no real problem (except the engine giving crappy power and being a gas guzzler )
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My understanding of the "lemon law" in Pennsylvania is that it comes into play if the vehicle has a problem which can't be resolved after three repair attempts by the dealer. Technically, this could involve something as simple as the cigarette lighter being inop. Depending on the circumstances with the vehicle in question, it could be the opportunity to acquire it at a good price but then again.....
In some states, the "exceed the number of repair attempts" only counts for safety related items (brakes, air bags, suspension, engine, etc.) - things like a cigar lighter wouldn't count.

Unless you can find out exactly why it was a buy-back, I'd be leery.
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how much "typically" are discounts given for repaired "lemon law" cars?
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So technically my Elise is lemon law-able just based off the number of times it's been in to the dealer for leaking trunk and non working AC? What if the dealers solution is to always tell you noting is wrong and just give it back to you? lol
(actually the Elise has been more reliable than I originally expected, I have no interest in returning it, though if I was a creep I probably could actually press the issue)
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You guys are correct, a buy back is a car that gets bought back from the customer because it's a lemon. Exotic cars that end up at auctions are typically lemons. That's why reputable dealers don't buy cars from there. They don't want to sell a car that the customer will have problems with immediately or down the road.

I've seen some dealers sell cars that have been bought back or in accidents at regular market price without disclosing the details. That's very shady.

The correct thing to do with a buy back is return it to the factory, figure out what happened so it doesn't happen again, and destroy the car.
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I'm wondering if the cars that Lotus bought back from Enterprise would show as manufactureres buybacks too.

On another forum someone in So Florida mentioned that they brokered a deal where Lotus leased 150 cars to Enterprise and then after a year Lotus would have the right to buy the cars back at a predetermined price.

About 5 months ago, a friend went to the local Enterprise that used to have Lotus for rent and was told that over half the cars were damaged and Lotus did not exercise the option to buy them back and there are a bunch of sitting at Enterprise Headquarters in Coral Springs or Coral Gables.

Oh God, I hope Transio doesnt see this, He would probably go there and take pictures of all the cars and then post it as a April Fools Days Joke.
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I have seen open recalls for rust that covered cars with zero problems.
It is best to find out what is what.
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Old 03-30-2008, 05:12 AM   #14 (permalink)
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On another forum someone in So Florida mentioned that they brokered a deal where Lotus leased 150 cars to Enterprise and then after a year Lotus would have the right to buy the cars back at a predetermined price.

About 5 months ago, a friend went to the local Enterprise that used to have Lotus for rent and was told that over half the cars were damaged and Lotus did not exercise the option to buy them back and there are a bunch of sitting at Enterprise Headquarters in Coral Springs or Coral Gables.
What will become of these? Hopefully parted out and not put on the market.
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What will become of these? Hopefully parted out and not put on the market.

I dont know. One of these days I will take a drive down there and see if I can find out. I didnt see any at the local Enterprise car lots that sell rental cars that they want to get rid of, but about 10 years I was thinking of buying a specific make and model car from them and they said that the majority of the cars are in the Miami area.

I am in NJ now and will stop by the local used car lot that Enterprise has down the road from me when I get back and see if I can get any updates.
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