Best Brake Pads? - LotusTalk

neckstrap · 05-09-2007, 01:23 AM

Hi guys,

It's time to replace the pads on my 2006 Elise. I am tempted to buy Hawk pads because they work well on my other street cars and don't squeel. I have found the part numbers and am getting ready to order them. But, I wondered if anyone had a better suggestion?

Paul

elptex · 05-09-2007, 01:34 AM

Everyone around here seems to rave over the porterfields, stating that they have a better linear feel and dust considerably less.

mikelr · 05-09-2007, 01:51 AM

Porterfields are good (and cheap) the downside is they are hard on rotors which are expensive. If you want to save your rotors and still have killer braking go with Pagid RS-14.

Feffman · 05-09-2007, 04:36 AM

Paul:

I've used Carbotech pads (www.CTBrakes.com) for years on a variety of different cars, including my Esprits. Their Bobcat street pad is fantastic (not too dusty either) as are their various track pad compounds.

Feff

lotusmark · 05-09-2007, 05:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikelr

Porterfields are good (and cheap) the downside is they are hard on rotors which are expensive. If you want to save your rotors and still have killer braking go with Pagid RS-14.

What he said.

mark.r · 05-09-2007, 06:02 AM

I have looked into Pagids and followed a thread on here about them. My issue is that the was and still seems to be some confusion as to which part number was the correct one. Yes, I know that there is a pad that fits but my question that never really got answered was what is the "right" part number, NOT what works. Nobody really could answer that. Call me a simple guy but for a car like the Lotus and a company like Pagid their should be no question as to what fits what and what is right. I should be able to go right to their website and reference my car and get the right part number. That may have sinced changed . . . Long story short my car is in for upgrades as we speak and we decided to go with another pad . . . maybe even Portorfields because of that.

xtn · 05-09-2007, 06:12 AM

Re. the Pagid part numbers (these are RS42 pads, not RS14)...

Rear:
#U1682 - perfect

Front:
#U4705 - too thick (I used them after having them machined down one mm)
#U1587 - fits and works, but doesn't sweep the entire rotor surface
#U2593 - should be perfect, but havn't tried it yet myself

xtn

mark.r · 05-09-2007, 06:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xtn

Re. the Pagid part numbers...

Rear:
#U1682 - perfect

Front:
#U4705 - too thick (I used them after having them machined down one mm)
#U1587 - fits and works, but doesn't sweep the entire rotor surface
#U2593 - should be perfect, but havn't tried it yet myself

xtn

xtn, thanks. You were helping out in the other thread. You laid out the issue well. I just think that Pagid should clear up this issue and save us the trouble.

I would try the #U1587 but not the #U4705 as I am not doing any machining. The last option will be interesting to see if it works.

Chris D. · 05-09-2007, 06:30 AM

Just curious, how many miles did you get out of your first set of pads?

mark.r · 05-09-2007, 06:34 AM

I am at 7300 miles with two track days. I still have pad left, at least enough for one more day of tracking and some street driving. But with the turbo upgrade and the idea of spending two days straight at Summit I had them change my pads.

lotusmark · 05-09-2007, 06:36 AM

R-14's

Front 2593
Rear 1682

maz · 05-09-2007, 06:52 AM

someone at lcu told me that changing compounds confuses the abs.

FlyLo · 05-09-2007, 07:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Feffman

Paul:

I've used Carbotech pads (www.CTBrakes.com) for years on a variety of different cars, including my Esprits. Their Bobcat street pad is fantastic (not too dusty either) as are their various track pad compounds.

Feff

Me too. But I think they dust like mad. Panther Plus (correction) is now called AX6. It works very well. I spray the back liberally with disc brake quiet. This will rub through on the track and they'll squeak. You can either spray it again, or add shims.

The XP-8 grips like mad, but will overpower the front AD07. I'll find out soon how they do with the A048.

I use DuPont/Teflon wheel cleaner from WalMart. The brake dust wipes off with a sponge.

More importantly, the pads appear to be very rotor-friendly. Hence the dust, I guess.

FlyLo · 05-09-2007, 07:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maz

someone at lcu told me that changing compounds confuses the abs.

"Too much" pad will overpower the front wheels and activate ABS. Especially if they are heat cycled.

xtn · 05-09-2007, 07:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lotusmark

R-14's

Front 2593
Rear 1682

Q1: So you've actually fit the 2593 and know that they work as delivered?

Q2: So the part numbers are the same for 14s as they are for 42s?

xtn

mark.r · 05-09-2007, 07:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lotusmark

R-14's

Front 2593
Rear 1682

Could these actually be the real part numbers.

xtn · 05-09-2007, 07:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyLo

I use DuPont/Teflon wheel cleaner from WalMart. The brake dust wipes off with a sponge.

Sorry to change the topic a bit, but this got me to thinking. I've seen various suggestions on how to make cleaning brake dust off of wheels easier. Well, I don't use any special product on my wheels at all. Just my regular car washing bucket and a rag. The brake dust always just wipes off and rinses away easily. Do other people not have the same experience?

xtn

Toad · 05-09-2007, 08:15 AM

OE pads are close to $500.00 for the whole set

hth

mark.r · 05-09-2007, 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brgm100

OE pads are close to $500.00 for the whole set

hth

codymac · 05-09-2007, 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brgm100

OE pads are close to $500.00 for the whole set

hth

Yup - at least the fronts come with new pins and stuff (not sure about the backs, need to go pick some up this week).

~6k miles out of the stockers before they were on the backing plates.

No issues cleaning the dust off the wheels with regular car washing although the pad material does build up in the rotor's cross drilling and has to be pushed out with a small Allen wrench.

05-09-2007, 01:23 AM	#1 (permalink)
neckstrap Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Northridge, California Posts: 161	Best Brake Pads? Hi guys, It's time to replace the pads on my 2006 Elise. I am tempted to buy Hawk pads because they work well on my other street cars and don't squeel. I have found the part numbers and am getting ready to order them. But, I wondered if anyone had a better suggestion? Paul

05-09-2007, 01:51 AM	#3 (permalink)
mikelr <[^,^]> Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Newburgh, New York Posts: 642	Porterfields are good (and cheap) the downside is they are hard on rotors which are expensive. If you want to save your rotors and still have killer braking go with Pagid RS-14. __________________ 00' S1 Exige (7.14lbs/hp) 94' S4 Esprit 07' Ram Quad cab 3500 hauler

05-09-2007, 04:36 AM	#4 (permalink)
Feffman Grand Poobah Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: St. Louis, Mo. Posts: 760	Paul: I've used Carbotech pads (www.CTBrakes.com) for years on a variety of different cars, including my Esprits. Their Bobcat street pad is fantastic (not too dusty either) as are their various track pad compounds. Feff __________________ MVP Track Time - The Most Fun In A Car With Your Clothes On

05-09-2007, 06:02 AM	#6 (permalink)
mark.r Makin' house calls . . . Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Leesburg, VA Posts: 2,610	I have looked into Pagids and followed a thread on here about them. My issue is that the was and still seems to be some confusion as to which part number was the correct one. Yes, I know that there is a pad that fits but my question that never really got answered was what is the "right" part number, NOT what works. Nobody really could answer that. Call me a simple guy but for a car like the Lotus and a company like Pagid their should be no question as to what fits what and what is right. I should be able to go right to their website and reference my car and get the right part number. That may have sinced changed . . . Long story short my car is in for upgrades as we speak and we decided to go with another pad . . . maybe even Portorfields because of that. __________________ DRS Tuned FF275 '06 Exige - Sold My racing prediction for '09 . . . the Japanese guy on the Italian bike and the Italian guy on the Japanese bike.

05-09-2007, 06:12 AM	#7 (permalink)
xtn McLareghini Bugatterrari Join Date: May 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 5,811	Re. the Pagid part numbers (these are RS42 pads, not RS14)... Rear: #U1682 - perfect Front: #U4705 - too thick (I used them after having them machined down one mm) #U1587 - fits and works, but doesn't sweep the entire rotor surface #U2593 - should be perfect, but havn't tried it yet myself xtn __________________ 2006 McLareghini Bugatterrari, Storm Titanium... <mods> installed: air horn, Scroth 4-point ASM harnesses, Sector111 halon extinguisher and mounting bracket, Von Hep exhaust and rear panel delete, Pagid brake pads, red Volks CE28n wheels, Toyo RA-1 tires, Nitron SA coilovers, Sector111 (WorksBell) quick-disconnect steering wheel kit. awaiting installation: Scroth "pull-up" lap belts, Sector111 RTD Brace, Tony's heater bypass mod, and dropped steering rack mounting plates. </mods>

05-09-2007, 01:34 AM	#2 (permalink)
elptex youngin' in lust Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: San Antonio Posts: 236	Everyone around here seems to rave over the porterfields, stating that they have a better linear feel and dust considerably less.

05-09-2007, 06:30 AM	#9 (permalink)
Chris D. Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Berryville, Virginia Posts: 1,453	Just curious, how many miles did you get out of your first set of pads? __________________ 09 Nissan GTR, Gun Metal Grey 04 Lamborghini Gallardo, Pearl Yellow O5 Elise Ard red, black int, starshield, touring & sports pack, hardtop (sold) 07 BMW 550i with Sports Package 07 Toyota Tundra, 5.7 liter, 4WD 06 Mazda 3-S (daily commuter)

05-09-2007, 06:34 AM	#10 (permalink)
mark.r Makin' house calls . . . Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Leesburg, VA Posts: 2,610	I am at 7300 miles with two track days. I still have pad left, at least enough for one more day of tracking and some street driving. But with the turbo upgrade and the idea of spending two days straight at Summit I had them change my pads. __________________ DRS Tuned FF275 '06 Exige - Sold My racing prediction for '09 . . . the Japanese guy on the Italian bike and the Italian guy on the Japanese bike.

05-09-2007, 06:36 AM	#11 (permalink)
lotusmark Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Chicago Posts: 625	R-14's Front 2593 Rear 1682

05-09-2007, 06:52 AM	#12 (permalink)
maz casual exige user Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: chicago Posts: 1,102	someone at lcu told me that changing compounds confuses the abs. __________________ www.lotuscarclub.org "Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns - the ones we don't know we don't know." (rumsfeld)

05-09-2007, 08:15 AM	#18 (permalink)
Toad A lot of stickers! Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: 30 miles due east, take a right Posts: 1,595 Images: 9	OE pads are close to $500.00 for the whole set hth __________________ Jeff Formerly known as brgm100 1991 Lotus M100 Elan 2005 Lotus Elise 2008 Saturn Astra XR 3 door 5 Speed

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