nitron vs ohlins - Page 3 - LotusTalk

sleepe · 01-02-2008, 02:53 PM

What does 'double adjustable' mean to someone who does not track their lotus and has no ability to tune a race damper?
My guess is endless adjustments and tweaks until you are so lost and confused you revert back to your stock setup. Am I correct?

Quote:

Originally Posted by sleepless

My Elise is used 100% on the track; I went with the single adjustable Nitrons and like them quite a bit.

I personally don't see much use for the more expensive double-adjustable shocks unless one is racing. Race shops tend to recommend double-adjustables because that is what they use for racing; to win, they need ultra-adjustability... most of us don't need such fine tuning.

codymac · 01-02-2008, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sleepe

What does 'double adjustable' mean to someone who does not track their lotus and has no ability to tune a race damper?
My guess is endless adjustments and tweaks until you are so lost and confused you revert back to your stock setup. Am I correct?

No, what you're describing is four-way adjustable.

Double means compression damping and rebound damping can be adjusted separately.

apexdc · 01-02-2008, 03:05 PM

Double adjustable means that compression (shock going in) and rebound (shock going out) are separately adjustable. Single adjustable shocks adjust both at the same time and are easier to work with. IMHO, Penskes would be a waste of money on a car that is not tracked aggressively. You could get single adjustable Nitrons, Ohlins or others for less money and still have a quality package.

sleepe · 01-02-2008, 06:15 PM

Great, now I will have an extra grand to waste on something else. Thanks!
I am leaning towards the Nitron's with the stiffer springs from S111.

Quote:

Originally Posted by apexdc

Double adjustable means that compression (shock going in) and rebound (shock going out) are separately adjustable. Single adjustable shocks adjust both at the same time and are easier to work with. IMHO, Penskes would be a waste of money on a car that is not tracked aggressively. You could get single adjustable Nitrons, Ohlins or others for less money and still have a quality package.

usofrob · 01-02-2008, 09:51 PM

I've been having a little fun adjusting my double adjustable shocks. But, it seems like it's about 4x the work getting it dialed in properly (which I haven't completed yet.) Because you have to test each matching set of compression and rebound settings. I think it is fun to do this. But, if the idea of this makes you cringe, then i would suggest getting a set of single adjustable.

plastique999 · 06-25-2008, 01:00 PM

any updates or added reviews on Nitrons vs. Ohlins?...I'm leaning towards Ohlins....looking for both street and track use

ZJChaser · 06-25-2008, 01:09 PM

Pestodude · 06-25-2008, 02:28 PM

I believe Ohlins now has a 3 way adjustable (hi and low speed compression) just to make this decision even more complicated for everyone.

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Originally Posted by ZJChaser

JRZ

a7an · 08-08-2008, 09:03 AM

Hello Jamie-

How is the 46MM Ohlins set up treating you?
Apologies if there is an update on another thread.

I have previously driven an Exige with the "standard Ohlins product and was duly impressed. My "Track Pack" Bilsteins are not terribly satisfying on a lot of levels.

I am quite interested in the more robust 46MM platform.
It appears you are one of the few who have adopted this set up.

Greatly appreciate your comments.

THX

Alan

a7an · 08-08-2008, 09:04 AM

Hello Jamie-

How is the 46MM Ohlins set up treating you?
Apologies if there is an update on another thread.

I have previously driven an Exige with the "standard Ohlins product and was duly impressed. My "Track Pack" Bilsteins are not terribly satisfying on a lot of levels.

I am quite interested in the more robust 46MM platform.
It appears you are one of the few who have adopted this set up.

Greatly appreciate your comments.

THX

Alan

holmz · 08-09-2008, 04:51 AM

Does having a data logger and recording suspension position and velocities make it easier to set of the dampers?
Or does it only get them close(?) and they need to be dialed in further from there?
Or does data not help?

slvr05elise · 08-22-2008, 01:13 PM

Is the ohlin suspension that was offered by Sector 111 and is offered by Forcedfed the same kit as the lotus sport ohlin upgrade offered by lotus (not the cup car suspension but the upgrade for the elise and exige models)? thanks to anyone who can help answer this for me.

turbophil · 08-22-2008, 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slvr05elise

Is the ohlin suspension that was offered by Sector 111 and is offered by Forcedfed the same kit as the lotus sport ohlin upgrade offered by lotus (not the cup car suspension but the upgrade for the elise and exige models)? thanks to anyone who can help answer this for me.

I'm 80% certain the answer is no. THe lotus ohlin suspension is different than the any suspension offered in the aftermarket. Happy to be corrected though...

Best,

Phil

apexdc · 08-22-2008, 02:20 PM

As I recall, I think Jack said they were different on another thread. I noticed because I am considering going with the factory Ohlins. Do some searching on this exact topic, as I think someone else expressed an opinion of having drive the factory Ohlins vs an aftermarket Ohlins and liked the factory better. Please remember however, that some of that might be setup.

I can almost guarantee that if there is a difference, a lot will be in spring rate, due to Lotus tuning philosophy.

slvr05elise · 08-22-2008, 08:45 PM

Anyone can anyone else chime in an help confirm this.

dmh · 08-23-2008, 04:45 AM

They are different.

Jack · 08-23-2008, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dmh

They are different.

Don is correct.... spring rates may be similar to aftermarket Ohlin offerings (Lotus -- 325/425), but I was told that the shock valving is proprietary to Lotus. The Lotus Ohlin D/A setup was optimized to work with Yoko LTS 048's.

slvr05elise · 08-24-2008, 10:14 PM

Are the part numbers different, and would it affect your warentee to have the non lotus spec ohlins? Is there any markings on the shocks or springs that would decifer between the two?

Jack · 08-25-2008, 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slvr05elise

Are the part numbers different, and would it affect your warentee to have the non lotus spec ohlins? Is there any markings on the shocks or springs that would decifer between the two?

Yes, there are Lotus part #'s on the Lotus Ohlins.

As for warranty, it shouldn't affect it as a general matter.....obviously your shocks/springs and any suspension failure/issue that can be attributed to the aftermarket coil overs (or their installation) wouldn't be covered.

apexdc · 08-25-2008, 09:56 AM

Do any Sport Elise owners out there have the part numbers for the Ohlins that are on their cars?

01-02-2008, 03:05 PM	#43 (permalink)
apexdc From close to Roswell.... Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Palm Springs, CA Posts: 373	Double adjustable means that compression (shock going in) and rebound (shock going out) are separately adjustable. Single adjustable shocks adjust both at the same time and are easier to work with. IMHO, Penskes would be a waste of money on a car that is not tracked aggressively. You could get single adjustable Nitrons, Ohlins or others for less money and still have a quality package. __________________ 2006 Elise, Graphite Grey/Red leather, Sport Elise Suspension, Hardtop 1992 900SS Ducati Race Spec Built by Ferracci 2006 KTM 950 SuperMoto, a work in progress Wife drives a 2007 Cooper S, our BIG car! Old stuff gone: Ferrari 275GTB/4, '69 1275 Cooper S. '72 500 Fiat, old Jags, etc. Never bought a boring car.

01-02-2008, 09:51 PM	#45 (permalink)
usofrob Almost out of warranty :) Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Melbourne, FL Posts: 687	I've been having a little fun adjusting my double adjustable shocks. But, it seems like it's about 4x the work getting it dialed in properly (which I haven't completed yet.) Because you have to test each matching set of compression and rebound settings. I think it is fun to do this. But, if the idea of this makes you cringe, then i would suggest getting a set of single adjustable. __________________ 2005 Laser Blue Elise, base model (with 2 oil coolers), Bridgestone RE-01R 205/45/16+245/40/17, 4Tress harness bar, 6-Point Schroth harnesses, Cup Car Ohlins, Blackwatch Racing adjustable anti-sway bar, ekological HID kit, Sector 111 rear panel eliminator, 2bular 7" single tip exhaust, Sector111 DOWNLow seat, Sector111 tiny mirror, Braille battery, LidBone, multivex side mirrors, snorkel delete, infinity kappa 42.7 front speakers, acousti-stuff behind rear speakers. It adds up so quickly.

06-25-2008, 01:00 PM	#46 (permalink)
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06-25-2008, 01:09 PM	#47 (permalink)
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08-08-2008, 09:03 AM	#49 (permalink)
a7an a7an Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Portland Oregon Posts: 47	Hello Jamie- How is the 46MM Ohlins set up treating you? Apologies if there is an update on another thread. I have previously driven an Exige with the "standard Ohlins product and was duly impressed. My "Track Pack" Bilsteins are not terribly satisfying on a lot of levels. I am quite interested in the more robust 46MM platform. It appears you are one of the few who have adopted this set up. Greatly appreciate your comments. THX Alan __________________ Alan 07 Exige S Storm Titanium, Track Pack, Touring Pack, TC

08-08-2008, 09:04 AM	#50 (permalink)
a7an a7an Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Portland Oregon Posts: 47	Hello Jamie- How is the 46MM Ohlins set up treating you? Apologies if there is an update on another thread. I have previously driven an Exige with the "standard Ohlins product and was duly impressed. My "Track Pack" Bilsteins are not terribly satisfying on a lot of levels. I am quite interested in the more robust 46MM platform. It appears you are one of the few who have adopted this set up. Greatly appreciate your comments. THX Alan __________________ Alan 07 Exige S Storm Titanium, Track Pack, Touring Pack, TC

08-09-2008, 04:51 AM	#51 (permalink)
holmz Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Antipodes Posts: 498 Images: 5	Does having a data logger and recording suspension position and velocities make it easier to set of the dampers? Or does it only get them close(?) and they need to be dialed in further from there? Or does data not help?

08-22-2008, 01:13 PM	#52 (permalink)
slvr05elise Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 231	Is the ohlin suspension that was offered by Sector 111 and is offered by Forcedfed the same kit as the lotus sport ohlin upgrade offered by lotus (not the cup car suspension but the upgrade for the elise and exige models)? thanks to anyone who can help answer this for me.

08-22-2008, 02:20 PM	#54 (permalink)
apexdc From close to Roswell.... Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Palm Springs, CA Posts: 373	As I recall, I think Jack said they were different on another thread. I noticed because I am considering going with the factory Ohlins. Do some searching on this exact topic, as I think someone else expressed an opinion of having drive the factory Ohlins vs an aftermarket Ohlins and liked the factory better. Please remember however, that some of that might be setup. I can almost guarantee that if there is a difference, a lot will be in spring rate, due to Lotus tuning philosophy. __________________ 2006 Elise, Graphite Grey/Red leather, Sport Elise Suspension, Hardtop 1992 900SS Ducati Race Spec Built by Ferracci 2006 KTM 950 SuperMoto, a work in progress Wife drives a 2007 Cooper S, our BIG car! Old stuff gone: Ferrari 275GTB/4, '69 1275 Cooper S. '72 500 Fiat, old Jags, etc. Never bought a boring car.

08-22-2008, 08:45 PM	#55 (permalink)
slvr05elise Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 231	Anyone can anyone else chime in an help confirm this.

08-23-2008, 04:45 AM	#56 (permalink)
dmh Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 399	They are different. __________________ http://www.dmhmotorsports.net/ I'm a "monkey" http://www.monkeytuner.com/forum/

08-24-2008, 10:14 PM	#58 (permalink)
slvr05elise Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 231	Are the part numbers different, and would it affect your warentee to have the non lotus spec ohlins? Is there any markings on the shocks or springs that would decifer between the two?

08-25-2008, 09:56 AM	#60 (permalink)
apexdc From close to Roswell.... Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Palm Springs, CA Posts: 373	Do any Sport Elise owners out there have the part numbers for the Ohlins that are on their cars? __________________ 2006 Elise, Graphite Grey/Red leather, Sport Elise Suspension, Hardtop 1992 900SS Ducati Race Spec Built by Ferracci 2006 KTM 950 SuperMoto, a work in progress Wife drives a 2007 Cooper S, our BIG car! Old stuff gone: Ferrari 275GTB/4, '69 1275 Cooper S. '72 500 Fiat, old Jags, etc. Never bought a boring car.

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