S1 brake bits on this side of the Atlantic

[RallyElise]

Anyone know if there is any vendor in the US that is selling brake components for a S1 Elise? I am tracking the car more and would like to save the MMC brakes.

I am just looking for a set of Pagid RS42 pads and rotors.

I am in sticker shock mode after checking out the pre-shipping price from my normal European sources. They are almost twice as expensive as brake parts for my VW R32 (everything else seems to be more expensive for the R).

alan

[codymac]

I have blueprints drawn up for hats and caliper spacers which will allow you to run the AP CP4530 rotors. This isn't the cheapest solution, but barring the MMC rotors, it will allow you to run some of the best AP rings available on bespoke hats.

IIRC, the fronts will be spaced out (radially) 7.5mm and should fit under the Speedlines, but you'll want to check clearances before committing.

It's a known, working solution being used by several S1 Exige lads in the UK.

I need to go through my notes and revise the blueprints before handing them out. They were designed by a British machinist in Germany - I merely did the drawings.

[RallyElise]

That sounds totally cool, but I really want to try something closer to the stock brakes right now. I want to see what I can do with the car with something close to stock brakes on street rubber and close to stock bhp (original K series).

alan

[mikelr]

Cody is just giving you a rotor option since there are no real sources for standard one piece rotors for the S1 here in the states. The pads of course are the same as the S2 Elise so no problem there.
Depending on the price of the AP rings here in the states, having bespoke hats made up may be cheaper than going the European market route. I had hats made for my Esprit and it cost me $100 per corner.

[RallyElise]

Originally Posted by mikelr

Cody is just giving you a rotor option since there are no real sources for standard one piece rotors for the S1 here in the states.

And a nice option it is. I was simply pointing out it is not quite what I was looking for.

So, LCU no longer stock the rotors? Years ago they were gonna cut me a deal on Sport 190 pads and rotors.

The pads of course are the same as the S2 Elise so no problem there.

Didn't know that. That is very useful information.

Depending on the price of the AP rings here in the states, having bespoke hats made up may be cheaper than going the European market route. I had hats made for my Esprit and it cost me $100 per corner.

Also useful info. Thanks.

alan

[codymac]

A couple of other options:

Try EBC - they have a replacement in Europe and the NA distributor might be able to get them.

Geary at eliseparts has come cheap alternatives (about 1/2 what OEM runs, which might make up for shipping).

I've never had a problem ordering parts from the UK across my local dealer's counter.


Per Bell & Colvill's site the p/n's are:
A111J0141F - drilled
A111J0128F - solid

[lotusmark]

Cody

Are these your drawings?

http://www.exiges.com/ubbthreads/sho...b=5&o=&fpart=1

[RallyElise]

Originally Posted by codymac

Try EBC - they have a replacement in Europe and the NA distributor might be able to get them.

My experience with EBC has been mixed enough that I avoid them now.

Geary at eliseparts has come cheap alternatives (about 1/2 what OEM runs, which might make up for shipping).

Eliseparts is one of my favorite sources. Their solid disk and S1 "turbo grooved" prices are about right. It is just the shipping that has caused me to try and source them locally. If I find a place that ships from the UK in volume, the shipping is much lower than the four disks that I would be ordering.

I've never had a problem ordering parts from the UK across my local dealer's counter.

The local dealer is far enough away that I might as well order from the best online vendor.

Guess I am just spoiled. Back in the days before the federalized Elise, back when Clyde Shepherd was working Elise parts at LCU, if I could wait for the part, I could get stuff at a very good discount ordering from him.

alan

[lotusmark]

Welcome to the newer friendlier Lotus USA. 'I'm sorry was that car produced before 2005. Parts for that car are obsolete.' Uve, Arnie, speak to me, say a few syllables!

[codymac]

Originally Posted by lotusmark

Cody

Are these your drawings?

http://www.exiges.com/ubbthreads/sho...b=5&o=&fpart=1

Andy's originals. I updated them and converted them to parasolid for him and generated 3D models and final blueprints to make it easy for the guys that aren't technical. (So they could pass the models to any CNC equipped shop to generate the CAM or just hand the drawings to any lathe operator.)

You can also ping Andy directly, as he's got it all sorted out, including the updates. Last time we chatted about stuff, I never heard back - he and a multiple-Lotus owning stress engineer were helping me with an S2 application that I gave up on.


We went through a couple of revisions to make them stronger - so don't go off those AutoCAD drawings unless you confirm they've been updated!

Mine looked more like this:
http://www.elisetalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21250

[lotusmark]

Thanks.

[RallyElise]

I found a place to get the Pagids in the US. Looks like they are even local-ish and the prices are even less than eliseparts. I'll post more once I have pads in hand.

alan

[codymac]

Originally Posted by RallyElise

I found a place to get the Pagids in the US. Looks like they are even local-ish and the prices are even less than eliseparts. I'll post more once I have pads in hand.

alan

There's lots of places to get Pagids in the States.


Livermore Performance
Cantrell Motorsports
Rennstore

Those come to mind just off the top of my head.

[RallyElise]

Originally Posted by codymac

There's lots of places to get Pagids in the States.


Livermore Performance
Cantrell Motorsports
Rennstore

Those come to mind just off the top of my head.

Thanks for mentioning it now.

This thread started with me asking where I could get Pagid RS42s (and brake rotors). No one said anything about where to get pads other than suggesting that I consider EBCs instead. Why couldn't you have mentioned these vendors earlier in the thread, particularly since you were the first person to respond to the initial post?

alan

[codymac]

Originally Posted by RallyElise

Thanks for mentioning it now.

This thread started with me asking where I could get Pagid RS42s (and brake rotors). No one said anything about where to get pads other than suggesting that I consider EBCs instead. Why couldn't you have mentioned these vendors earlier in the thread, particularly since you were the first person to respond to the initial post?

alan

You're quite welcome.

I'd assumed you'd searched and realized Pagids are readily available - all the vendors I listed are mentioned in numerous threads. Mike pointed out that the pads are identical to the S2 (note the S1 Exige in his avitar).

You were also asking about rotors, which aren't readily available - specifially, an alternative to the MMC ones. You'll note that my suggestion re EBC was for a source for alternative rotors, not for pads.

[RallyElise]

Originally Posted by codymac

I'd assumed you'd searched and realized Pagids are readily available - all the vendors I listed are mentioned in numerous threads. Mike pointed out that the pads are identical to the S2 (note the S1 Exige in his avitar).

I did search and every Pagid vendor that I found was selling them listed a limited set of marques (not including Lotus) on their website. If a vendor primarily deals with VAG or Porsche bits, I don't expect them to carry Lotus bits. That was the reason for the initial query.

Even with the knowledge that the pads are the same between the S1 and the federalized Elise, a Google search (or EliseTalk forum search, excluding this thread) did not initially yield results.

I found the Rennstore site on Friday and it says "waiting for the 4-2 Blues from Germany" (even though they are apparently actually in stock).

BTW, just because someone has a car in his avatar doesn't mean they have the car in the avatar.

alan

[codymac]

Originally Posted by RallyElise

I did search and every Pagid vendor that I found was selling them listed a limited set of marques (not including Lotus) on their website. If a vendor primarily deals with VAG or Porsche bits, I don't expect them to carry Lotus bits. That was the reason for the initial query.

Even with the knowledge that the pads are the same between the S1 and the federalized Elise, a Google search (or EliseTalk forum search, excluding this thread) did not initially yield results.

I found the Rennstore site on Friday and it says "waiting for the 4-2 Blues from Germany" (even though they are apparently actually in stock).

BTW, just because someone has a car in his avatar doesn't mean they have the car in the avatar.

alan

Dreadfully sorry my answers didn't live up to your expectations - you can rest assured that next time I won't bother.

[RallyElise]

Originally Posted by codymac

Dreadfully sorry my answers didn't live up to your expectations - you can rest assured that next time I won't bother.

I appreciate the info that I got from you. It is good stuff to know.

However, aside from the list of Pagid vendors (sent in response to me mentioning that I found a Pagid vendor), your responses didn't answer the questions that I asked. Not sure why it is a problem that I pointed that out.

Anyways, thanks for all of the info from everyone here.

alan