The problem with the '06 pedals for Heel and Toe is... - LotusTalk

goelise · 03-13-2007, 10:37 PM

The accelerator seems a bit too low in relation to the brake.

When I test drove a '05 it seemed like it was the brake pedal that was lower than the gas.

A sector111 hnt pad for the accelerator on a '06 may just work. Or maybe a razo competition ti pedal set? I've never seen one on an '06 pedal set to know if it will work though.

kartvader · 03-13-2007, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by goelise

The accelerator seems a bit too low in relation to the brake.

When I test drove a '05 it seemed like it was the brake pedal that was lower than the gas.

A sector111 hnt pad for the accelerator on a '06 may just work. Or maybe a razo competition ti pedal set? I've never seen one on an '06 pedal set to know if it will work though.

I have the Razo Competition Ti set. The pedals are big. The brake and clutch pedal do not fit on the OEM pedals correctly. You have to alter them to make them fit. I put on the brake and accelerator pedal. This made it really easy to heel toe at street speeds. I could just blip the throttle with slight rolling of my foot to the side.

I ended up taking off the brake pedal today. This is because it was not good for more aggressive braking. The pedals were too close together and that made the fulcrum too close and therefore required more tilting of the foot to blip to higher revs. I left the accelerator pedal on and it works really well (for me). The true test will be this upcoming track day (NON TIMED

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Ian · 03-14-2007, 03:41 AM

Is there no easier fix for this problem?

kartvadar - how does the competition ti accelerator pedal attach?

mark.r · 03-14-2007, 04:46 AM

Go to post 8 of this thread: http://www.elisetalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27939

I asked this question a long time ago and got answers that seem to have com from Mars like raising the brake pedal????? Uh, that would just make the problem worse. But yes you are right I have the same problem as you in that the gas pedal is far to low an know one has addressed the issue to this point.

goelise · 03-14-2007, 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Ian

Is there no easier fix for this problem?

kartvadar - how does the competition ti accelerator pedal attach?

+1.
Pics Kartvader? Grrrr...Wish I could have checked this out in person.

WhitePlume · 03-14-2007, 05:17 AM

This may be a bit redneck for you guys, but I trimmed the soles of a pair of flip-flops to match the accelerator pedal size and zip tied them to the pedal. It brought the pedal surface up about 1.5 inches making the side-rolling heel-toe technique quite a bit easier.

mark.r · 03-14-2007, 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by WhitePlume

This may be a bit redneck for you guys, but I trimmed the soles of a pair of flip-flops to match the accelerator pedal size and zip tied them to the pedal. It brought the pedal surface up about 1.5 inches making the side-rolling heel-toe technique quite a bit easier.

That is not bad outside of the zip ties.

I just don't trust them. I guess you could glue it.

Ian · 03-14-2007, 05:55 AM

Sector 111.....are you out there?
We need a HNT pad for the '06+ models.

Ian · 03-14-2007, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by goelise

+1.
Pics Kartvader? Grrrr...Wish I could have checked this out in person.

+1; I'd love to see pics of what you did, kartvadar.

mark.r · 03-14-2007, 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Ian

Sector 111.....are you out there?
We need a HNT pad for the '06+ models.

Be clear now. We need it for the gas pedal, not the brake pedal.

Ian · 03-14-2007, 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by mark.r

Be clear now. We need it for the gas pedal, not the brake pedal.

Correct.

Conan · 03-14-2007, 07:31 AM

I'm a bit surprised at this. One of the things I liked so much more about the '06 vs the '05 Elise was the much-improved accelerator pedal size and position. I think H&T is very easy in my '06.

FWIW: I wear a size 10.5 shoe and wear racing shoes when I drive the Elise.

Ian · 03-14-2007, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Conan

I'm a bit surprised at this. One of the things I liked so much more about the '06 vs the '05 Elise was the much-improved accelerator pedal size and position. I think H&T is very easy in my '06.

FWIW: I wear a size 10.5 shoe and wear racing shoes when I drive the Elise.

How do you H&T? Do you roll your foot and use the ball for both the gas and brake, or do you use the ball of your foot for the brake and the heel for the accelerator?

I use the ball of my foot for both and find the gas pedal to be far too low.

Conan · 03-14-2007, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Ian

How do you H&T? Do you roll your foot and use the ball for both the gas and brake, or do you use the ball of your foot for the brake and the heel for the accelerator?

I use the ball of my foot for both and find the gas pedal to be far too low.

I use my heel for the acclerator. That's probably why.

CountTracula · 03-14-2007, 07:50 AM

Is this for street or track driving?
At first, when I bought the car, this bugged me since I could not H&T at the street. However, this is just because you are not pressing the brake pedal hard enough on the street. On track, it is setup almost perfectly for H&T.
I still have problems with it since my knee hits the wheel so I am not as smooth as I would like to be but for somebody else who is 6' and under this will not be an issue.

slaughtr · 03-14-2007, 07:53 AM

I use my heel for the accelerator as well and it works just fine. I have an '05, which is different of course, but I think people on this board spend far to much time trying to change the pedals and too little time learning a different method. In my BMW, I use the side of the ball of my foot. In the Lotus I use the side of my heel. No problem.

rwarden · 03-14-2007, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by goelise

The accelerator seems a bit too low in relation to the brake.

When I test drove a '05 it seemed like it was the brake pedal that was lower than the gas.

A sector111 hnt pad for the accelerator on a '06 may just work. Or maybe a razo competition ti pedal set? I've never seen one on an '06 pedal set to know if it will work though.

Not sure if an 06 is the same, but you should be able to adjust the position of the accelerator pedal to move it higher. I moved it lower on my 05, along with some of the brake pedal adjustments-- as you pointed out, the brake was too low relative to the gas (under heavy braking) to effectively heal-toe. You can adjust the accelerator up-stop bolt and then re-adjust the throttle cable to accomodate the pedal being moved a bit - there is at least one thread on this subject somewhere on ET. I also installed a set of pedals from ultimatepedals.com (or something close) - there should be a thread on that on ET as well. Hope this helps

-RWarden

mcoupe · 03-14-2007, 07:58 AM

Hmmmm...I test drove a 05 before and had a difficult time doing it. With my 06 I have no issues at all. Even easier than my 911.

elise/europa · 03-14-2007, 08:02 AM

I just installed over the pedal a cheap gas pedal cover available on the corner shop (Canadian Tire). I installed it at the right position for me, in 10 minutes. OK, it is not the very hot job, fully fashion, but it will great.

I thinked about bending teh gas pedal bar, but it is not a good idea since it is a by-wire...

mark.r · 03-14-2007, 09:07 AM

I use my heal for the gas and I still hate it . . .

03-13-2007, 10:37 PM	#1 (permalink)
goelise AR #1275 Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Midwest, USA Posts: 2,170 Images: 1	The problem with the '06 pedals for Heel and Toe is... The accelerator seems a bit too low in relation to the brake. When I test drove a '05 it seemed like it was the brake pedal that was lower than the gas. A sector111 hnt pad for the accelerator on a '06 may just work. Or maybe a razo competition ti pedal set? I've never seen one on an '06 pedal set to know if it will work though. __________________ '06 Ardent Red Elise - black interior with LSS, Touring, HT, Starshield, Lotus Sport Clutch, Moroso Oil Pan, 2ZZ(#2), Ekological HIDs, Lotus Driving Lights, Stebel Horn, Bootie, Razo '06 Pedal mod,Snorkel Delete,Odyssey 680 with s111 bracket. Future Mods: Rear toe link brace/ Supercharger (BWR or Sector111? ) Thank you FVMC! WOO-HOO!

03-14-2007, 03:41 AM	#3 (permalink)
Ian Certified Fun Stopper Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 3,832	Is there no easier fix for this problem? kartvadar - how does the competition ti accelerator pedal attach? __________________ '06 Exige; Polar Blue; Track/Touring/Stage II/LSD-TC '05 Elise; Arctic Silver/Ruby Red (R.I.P)

03-14-2007, 04:46 AM	#4 (permalink)
mark.r Makin' house calls . . . Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Leesburg, VA Posts: 2,610	Go to post 8 of this thread: http://www.elisetalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27939 I asked this question a long time ago and got answers that seem to have com from Mars like raising the brake pedal????? Uh, that would just make the problem worse. But yes you are right I have the same problem as you in that the gas pedal is far to low an know one has addressed the issue to this point. __________________ DRS Tuned FF275 '06 Exige - Sold My racing prediction for '09 . . . the Japanese guy on the Italian bike and the Italian guy on the Japanese bike.

03-14-2007, 05:17 AM	#6 (permalink)
WhitePlume Eliseless and forlorn Join Date: May 2006 Location: Eastern Virginia Posts: 666	This may be a bit redneck for you guys, but I trimmed the soles of a pair of flip-flops to match the accelerator pedal size and zip tied them to the pedal. It brought the pedal surface up about 1.5 inches making the side-rolling heel-toe technique quite a bit easier. __________________ All my laurels you have riven away... and my roses; yet in spite of you there is one crown I bear away with me. And tonight, when I enter before God, my salute shall sweep away all the stars from the blue threshold! One thing without stain, unspotted from the world in spite of doom mine own...and that is... my white plume. Cyrano de Bergerac, Act V, scene vi.

03-14-2007, 05:55 AM	#8 (permalink)
Ian Certified Fun Stopper Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 3,832	Sector 111.....are you out there? We need a HNT pad for the '06+ models. __________________ '06 Exige; Polar Blue; Track/Touring/Stage II/LSD-TC '05 Elise; Arctic Silver/Ruby Red (R.I.P)

03-14-2007, 07:31 AM	#12 (permalink)
Conan with future lotus driver Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Rochester, MN Posts: 1,814 Images: 24	I'm a bit surprised at this. One of the things I liked so much more about the '06 vs the '05 Elise was the much-improved accelerator pedal size and position. I think H&T is very easy in my '06. FWIW: I wear a size 10.5 shoe and wear racing shoes when I drive the Elise. __________________ "Driving involves 3 basic abilities: Accelerating, braking and turning. More power will only help acceleration. Lower weight helps all three." 2006 BRG Lotus Elise, 1986 Porsche 944spec race car, 2001 Chevy Silverado 6L 2500 HD (tow vehicle), 2007 Honda Odyssey (the wife's)

03-14-2007, 07:50 AM	#15 (permalink)
CountTracula Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: NorCal Posts: 584	Is this for street or track driving? At first, when I bought the car, this bugged me since I could not H&T at the street. However, this is just because you are not pressing the brake pedal hard enough on the street. On track, it is setup almost perfectly for H&T. I still have problems with it since my knee hits the wheel so I am not as smooth as I would like to be but for somebody else who is 6' and under this will not be an issue.

03-14-2007, 07:53 AM	#16 (permalink)
slaughtr That's not my cone Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Boise, Idaho Posts: 5,169 Images: 1	I use my heel for the accelerator as well and it works just fine. I have an '05, which is different of course, but I think people on this board spend far to much time trying to change the pedals and too little time learning a different method. In my BMW, I use the side of the ball of my foot. In the Lotus I use the side of my heel. No problem. __________________ My car both sucks and blows. Now with added all natural smoky goodness!

03-14-2007, 07:58 AM	#18 (permalink)
mcoupe Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 324	Hmmmm...I test drove a 05 before and had a difficult time doing it. With my 06 I have no issues at all. Even easier than my 911.

03-14-2007, 08:02 AM	#19 (permalink)
elise/europa Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: montreal Posts: 286	I just installed over the pedal a cheap gas pedal cover available on the corner shop (Canadian Tire). I installed it at the right position for me, in 10 minutes. OK, it is not the very hot job, fully fashion, but it will great. I thinked about bending teh gas pedal bar, but it is not a good idea since it is a by-wire...

03-14-2007, 09:07 AM	#20 (permalink)
mark.r Makin' house calls . . . Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Leesburg, VA Posts: 2,610	I use my heal for the gas and I still hate it . . . __________________ DRS Tuned FF275 '06 Exige - Sold My racing prediction for '09 . . . the Japanese guy on the Italian bike and the Italian guy on the Japanese bike.

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