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Check your toe link!

Please be sure to check yours. Had a track day on Thursday, today I changed oil and checked the links. Both were lose. Be sure to check or they could ruin your day.

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Did my oil change at dealer, one was a bit loose.

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How to check toe links?

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Please be sure to check yours. Had a track day on Thursday, today I changed oil and checked the links. Both were lose. Be sure to check or they could ruin your day.

-Rob
I know that we're supposed to check our toe links, and I've searched this forum for a good picture of toe link and not found one. As a beginner I'd hate to be fruitlessly checking the wrong thing. Does any of the undercarriage need to be removed to check the toe links? Does anyone have a good picture of the operation?

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I know that we're supposed to check our toe links, and I've searched this forum for a good picture of toe link and not found one. As a beginner I'd hate to be fruitlessly checking the wrong thing. Does any of the undercarriage need to be removed to check the toe links? Does anyone have a good picture of the operation?

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yes, the underengine tray needs to be removed. You may be able to get to it by removing the wheel, but I haven't veified that.
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This post: http://www.elisetalk.com/forums/show...6&postcount=14

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Note that on the diagram in post # 8, it indicates that the toe-link ball joint stud should be torqued to 37 ft-lb (50 NM).

That torque value has been revised by Lotus - the new corrected torque is 44 ft-lb (60 NM).




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I thought I read somewhere that if it is loose, the damage has already been done and it should be replaced. Is this not correct?

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I thought I read somewhere that if it is loose, the damage has already been done and it should be replaced. Is this not correct?
An accurate version of that claim would be, "If it is loose, damage MAY have already been done depending on how loose it is and what forces it has been subjected to, and it would be a very reasonable idea to replace it."

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I will continue to check mine, but on neither my current Elise nor my first one did they ever work loose. Not saying you shouldn't check them, you should because the results of them being loose could be deadly. All I'm saying is you shouldn't necessarily expect them to be loose.

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Is this considered a "standard" maintenance check when the oil is changed or is it more frequently needed?
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I do it every oil change. Of course this information is worth exactly what you paid me for it.

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I think it depends if you track your car. Really, one should check a number of critical fasteners before each track day. Perhaps after also. Otherwise it is a periodic thing. For street use... who knows? Maybe once a year or 5000 miles?

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Would anyone happen to have a nice pretty annotated image with all the torque areas and their values?

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Is this considered a "standard" maintenance check when the oil is changed or is it more frequently needed?
No one knows for sure, though I think there has been at least one failure of a car that had the joints checked at regular service intervals (the blue Elise at Buttonwillow last year). I'd recommend checking it more frequently when the car is new and before/after track days. Over time, if you're not seeing any changes in it I'd scale that back to just checking it at every oil change.

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Would anyone happen to have a nice pretty annotated image with all the torque areas and their values?
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