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Again, just to be clear - for the rear, it's:



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The first dealer oil change was around 1,400 miles so the dealer should have checked then. Since the first oil change it has had street time, one auto-x and the full day at Buttonwillow which was Thursday. Sunday is when I found the lose bolts and mileage was at 3,140. So in 1,740 miles mine came lose, assuming the dealer did their check.

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Sec111 has locking washers for the toe links.....
does the same trick as a locking tab, if not better,simple mod.....
a took a load of these courtesy of shinoo and neil along to the stargazing
meet......if your close to CA shay2 may have a few left over...

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Sec111 has locking washers for the toe links.....
does the same trick as a locking tab, if not better,simple mod.....
a took a load of these courtesy of shinoo and neil along to the stargazing
meet......if your close to CA shay2 may have a few left over...
My toe link's were a 1/4 turn loose after every track event - until I installed the S111 Nocklocks locking washers.

I still check them for tightness - but they haven't been loose since - and that was last summer...

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Umm, by checking if they're loose during an oil change; are you just testing it with your fingers, or are you cracking on it with your torque wrench?
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Umm, by checking if they're loose during an oil change; are you just testing it with your fingers, or are you cracking on it with your torque wrench?
if you can produce 45 lb ft of torque with your fingers, then you are poised to dominate the professional thumb-wrestling circuit.
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Umm, by checking if they're loose during an oil change; are you just testing it with your fingers, or are you cracking on it with your torque wrench?
Use a GOOD calibrated torque wrench.

FWIW: My car has always had these bolts tight. I've checked every oil change and they've never been loose. Next time I'll retorque them to 60 NM though...
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The only fasteners one should check with their fingers are the carpet bolts.

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The only fasteners one should check with their fingers are the carpet bolts.
Every time I drive. One is always loose, only one and it's always loose. Go figure.
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Sec111 has locking washers for the toe links.....
does the same trick as a locking tab, if not better,simple mod.....
a took a load of these courtesy of shinoo and neil along to the stargazing
meet......if your close to CA shay2 may have a few left over...
Hey thanks for leaving those Nordlocks on our windshields in the morning !

Anyone know if the toe link nut is accessible without removing the wheels? I bought some Rhino Ramps for oil changes and was thinking about rolling the car up and installing the lock washers.


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Are you Nord-Lock people using the same torque, or increasing it as recommended? What about lubricating the threads?

JMY, no need to remove the wheels, just the undertray.

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Are you Nord-Lock people using the same torque, or increasing it as recommended? What about lubricating the threads?

JMY, no need to remove the wheels, just the undertray.
I have Nord-Lock, check every 5K (roughly every 3 months) and used the old 37 value ...until next week when it's time for the another service. At least the last two or three times they were tight and needed no adjustment.

Oh, no lube on these threads.

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Is this considered a "standard" maintenance check when the oil is changed or is it more frequently needed?
Do it every oil change, you are right there anyway, and if you track the car, do it before , and after each day of the event. at least thats what i did with mine. they would be slightly loose after a day at the track. its easy to do them, dont be lazy on this. I felt it was a big design flaw with the car as delivered from the factory.
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Just my usual reminder...

If you the toe-link is loose, you install the nord-locks, or you just loosen the bolt to check it and re-torque it, make sure the car is sitting on it's wheels/tires (not with the car on jack-stands and the wheel drooping/hanging down).

The toe-link bolt is also the lower A-arm bushing bolt. All suspension bushings must be tightened with the car at ride height (sitting on the wheels), otherwise you will pre-load the suspension bushing and likely cause it to prematurely fail (and the pre-loading can mess up the suspension a bit).

If the bolts are already tight, and you are just checking the torque (and it's still tight) it isn't a problem.

Always tighten suspension bushing bolts with the weight on the tires.




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Are you guys getting all of the diagrams from the manuals downloaded from Lotus USA ($25 daily pass)?
Yep. The color was added after the fact.

Everyone that has an Elise or Exige should get the manual.

Also download the Parts List from the Club111.net web site.

The Owner's Manual is also available on line.




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Always tighten suspension bushing bolts with the weight on the tires.
While I don't dispute that logic, I do wonder...how does one check the torque of the inner a-arm bolts without removing the wheel? Or should we just use a jack to raise the hub / compress the spring in this case to close to ride height?

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