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Plastique999, I was wondering how your car was doing (if you had found the problem yet), and thinking of you when reading this post.
Yea, other than the fuel issue car is almost ready to track!

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If you not running a proper tune for the 255 then you will be running way rich due to higher fuel presure and volume of the fuel pump.
Well, the AFR on the dyno ran o.k.....
I'm pretty sure I have a leak some where...

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If it's a strong gas smell then I personally wouldn't drive it until I found it. Leaking injectors has burned more than one car to the ground before. It's even more likely in cold weather on cars that use hose clamps to secure the lines as the rubber hoses shrink allowing fuel to leak around a loose clamp.

My wife doesn't like to ride in my Exige because it "smells like a motor" inside. But it doesn't smell like gas at any point during my driving.

Exhaust doesn't smell like gas.
Oil doesn't smell like gas.
Gas smells like gas.

Pull the injector cover off and see if your fuel rail is leaking, other than that like I said earlier follow all the fuel lines around and find where your smell is coming from. Don't forget the passenger side and the charcoal canister too.

Or if you can't find it take it to someone that knows Lotus' and get them to locate the leak for you. Or tell you to man up and it's a normal smell and your nose is just too sensitive.

Really don't want to read a post from you about how your Elise burnt to the ground...
Well, I don't have an option as it's my daily driver. I don't want it to burn down either, considering I just got it. That's also my conundrum. I just got it and I want to drive the hell out of it. It's a trip.

I'm sure Lotus of Scottsdale will be awesome about the whole thing and get it handled. Andy struck me as a very thorough, OCD type of mechanic. A great thing to have around these parts.

If it's something where I've got to man-up, I'll be surprised. My wardrobe stinks too much.

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Yea, other than the fuel issue car is almost ready to track!



Well, the AFR on the dyno ran o.k.....
I'm pretty sure I have a leak some where...
Any stainless steel fuel lines? They will some times seep fuel fumes threw the rubber.
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I'd check the area where the fuel pump "access panel" is. I also recommend driving the car as little as possible... I caught my MR2 on fire due to a small fuel leak.
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Well, it turns out that there are quite a few OTHER things wrong with my car...

They are inspecting the gas / antifreeze smells right now.

Apparently, my front clam is defective. There is a piece glued to the bottom of the clam to hold in the front headlights and the glue has eaten the fiberglass away to the point of rippling it. We thought it was an issue with the Star Shield, however, it isn't. After Andy contacted Lotus, they immediately recognized the issue, told him what is wrong, and are now sending a new front clam out this way. They'll be replacing the Star Shield too when the new one gets painted.

My new rubber has been installed. WHOOO HOOO!!! no more spinning spinnies...

The stock exhaust is back on there (I like the Stage II but it hurts my ears badly @ highway speeds)

Andy is out testing the gas smell and the Antifreeze smell right now. He says that he didn't find any coolant or gas spilled and the coolant level has not changed, so It is probably something minor. When the front clam gets replaced, he says he will have a much easier time diagnosing the issue if he finds anything after his drive.

I am so grateful I got a car with a warranty still left on it! I will be purchasing an extended Lotus warranty in April before this one runs out.

By the way, this has in no way diminished my enthusiasm for the car. I am thoroughly enjoying my Lotus experience and I can't wait to get my car back!

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So you think the smell was coming from your exhaust?

If that much unburned fuel is getting through the engine then that might be an indicator of a serious power train issue. I kind of doubt that it was doing that though otherwise you'd have a check engine light on and be seriously lacking in power.
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So you think the smell was coming from your exhaust?

If that much unburned fuel is getting through the engine then that might be an indicator of a serious power train issue. I kind of doubt that it was doing that though otherwise you'd have a check engine light on and be seriously lacking in power.
Yeah, running fat is never a good thing.

I still smell it Bane, but it is considerably less potent with the stock exhaust on. My eyes don't burn anymore and I'm not yawning every time I open the window or take the top off. Maybe you could meet up with me when you're back in town to see what I'm talking about.

By the way, I saw the new header and high flow cat prototypes for the Elise at PPE yesterday when my buddy had his stock exhaust replaced on his MR2 Spyder there. Beautiful piece.

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Shhh... that new header design is confidential (jk)

It's really shaping up nicely. Version 2.0 of the PPE header is going to be rockin'...
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If you doubters and nay sayers will refer to my original post on this IT'S AN EXHAUST LEAK!!!!! Yes, an exhaust leak in an Elise DOES smell like gas and make you sick and make your eyes water, etc. etc. etc. Glad you solved it and are enjoying your Elise. (I had the same problem)...Dave
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I've got bad gas smell too... but I ate chili for dinner.
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I've had an 07 for one week. With the top off, definite gas smell. It has a Borla exhaust, so I'll look for a leak.
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To be sure I am not crazy, I brought my car to a kind forum member who was willing to drive mine and let me know if he smelled anything.

He did smell exhaust. He also had a headache halfway through our ride.

When I had my Stage II on, the car was worse.

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I am getting headaches and nausea at this point
Reminds me of my ex-wife before sex....and after.

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My car sounds like yours, in that there is a strong gas smell, but I don't think it can be the exhaust. It would have to be pig rich at part throttle, but it passed smog with only 7 PPM HC three weeks ago.

I think mine has to be a charcoal canister hose, or gas cap. I would think the smog check would have found those, but unburned fuel has to be coming from somewhere.

Also, mine gets like this when it's good and hot, which again makes me think fuel in the tank evaporating. Is yours temp related?
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My car sounds like yours, in that there is a strong gas smell, but I don't think it can be the exhaust. It would have to be pig rich at part throttle, but it passed smog with only 7 PPM HC three weeks ago.

I think mine has to be a charcoal canister hose, or gas cap. I would think the smog check would have found those, but unburned fuel has to be coming from somewhere.

Also, mine gets like this when it's good and hot, which again makes me think fuel in the tank evaporating. Is yours temp related?
You know, I never checked... I know that when I drive with the windows up, I'm good to go. If I drop a window, I can instantly smell it. If I hit the throttle the scent diminishes a bit and then returns stronger.

I usually drive to work with the car buttoned up... Yesterday, I went for a ride a lunch to go pick up a friend to get his new car. When I returned to the office a half hour later, I was sick to my stomach and my head was pounding. Windows were down for that trip.

I think I may just put the hard top back on until they can sort it out...

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Exhaust leaks are pretty apparent (the exhaust note will be really raspy)... especially if the smell is that bad.

I still vote for a fuel leak somewhere else. You do keep a fire extinguisher in the car right? I'd be worried sick (no pun intended) if I had to drive around like that.
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Here's a link to a thread discussing deleting the charcoal canister. It'll give you some ideas and you may want to nose around there for your leak.

https://www.lotustalk.com/forums/f3/f...nk-mods-57697/

There are plenty of other threads noting occasional problems with the canister, some that might be causing your gas smell. It's definitely not a normal condition for our cars. Keep checking-you'll find the source of your leak.

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Here's a link to a thread discussing deleting the charcoal canister. It'll give you some ideas and you may want to nose around there for your leak.

https://www.lotustalk.com/forums/f3/f...nk-mods-57697/

There are plenty of other threads noting occasional problems with the canister, some that might be causing your gas smell. It's definitely not a normal condition for our cars. Keep checking-you'll find the source of your leak.

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thanks Tom - not so sure of what to do because none of the gas threads mention a fix.

The only thing that sounds plausible is the plug where the cables enter the passenger compartment are not sealed and are sucking in fumes/gas whatever, from the engine bay when opening a window. I don't smell anything in the engine bay with the car stopped or with the windows/top buttoned up.

I'll try that and hope. But no one has reported any other possibilities. It's not fun to drive your car and vomit afterward, or catch a headache each time.

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How many miles do you have? Is your car still under warranty?

The only thing I can think of is to have a dealer look for what ever? But if its not under warranty that could be $$$.
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also have the same issue ..also tried bringing mine to the dealer..no luck..they could not figure it out..
they actually think its normal..go figure...
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